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VTX
11-25-2012, 9:20 AM
What if any are the differences according to the law? are both considered an assault weapon? When our communist gov goes after "assault weapons" in calif again what would distinguish the 2 weapons? Cant put a hammerhead grip on a pistol? and would that matter>?
thanks

phrogg111
11-25-2012, 9:50 AM
You need to read the Calguns wiki, as well as the california penal code / federal NFA code relating to these issues. It's free to do so, google exists.

Assault weapons registration ended in 2000. No further new guns can be assault weapons. (Unless some dirty politics happens)

AR Pistols have to have a pistol grip, no capacity to accept a stock, and must have fixed magazines of less than 10 rounds because the mag is outside the pistol grip. They also have to start life as a single shot, 6"+ barrel, 10"+ overall length gun, to avoid handgun roster issues.

AR rifles must be off the banned receiver list, and either have a bullet bitton, or have no "assault weapon features"

Don't take my word for it - read the laws or get out and don't come back.

ClarenceBoddicker
11-25-2012, 10:04 AM
What if any are the differences according to the law? are both considered an assault weapon? When our communist gov goes after "assault weapons" in calif again what would distinguish the 2 weapons? Cant put a hammerhead grip on a pistol? and would that matter>?
thanks

Your 1st question is unanswerable as is. Do you mean according to Federal or state law?

CA's next AWB will most likely cover all semi auto rifles regardless of features & require registration. They would probably require all pistols with magazines outside the grip to be registered. It's kinda pointless to worry about a law that is not ever proposed yet. People are worried about a new Federal AWB.

As long as you use a fixed 10rd mag in a "assault" pistol without a threaded barrel, you will be legal.

phrogg111
11-25-2012, 10:20 AM
As long as you use a fixed 10rd mag in a "assault" pistol without a threaded barrel, you will be legal.

You need to read the CA AW laws, too. The threaded barrel only affects the pistols that legally have detachable magazines.

Fixed mag pistols - obviously with 10 rds or less - can have threaded barrels.

12voltguy
11-25-2012, 11:08 AM
You need to read the Calguns wiki, as well as the california penal code / federal NFA code relating to these issues. It's free to do so, google exists.

Assault weapons registration ended in 2000. No further new guns can be assault weapons. (Unless some dirty politics happens)

AR Pistols have to have a pistol grip, no capacity to accept a stock, and must have fixed magazines of less than 10 rounds because the mag is outside the pistol grip. They also have to start life as a single shot, 6"+ barrel, 10"+ overall length gun, to avoid handgun roster issues.

AR rifles must be off the banned receiver list, and either have a bullet bitton, or have no "assault weapon features"

Don't take my word for it - read the laws or get out and don't come back.
10.5" +

VTX
11-25-2012, 12:51 PM
so the upper i ordered ( wont be in stock for a few weeks im guessing) has a 7 inch threaded barrel, it this a no no? Is a flash hider illegal? it will have a BB and be single shot exempt from an 80% lower

http://www.jsesurplus.com/JSE71x95.56SSWith1RailGasBlockDPMSFloatCustomUpper .aspx

12voltguy
11-25-2012, 1:00 PM
so the upper i ordered ( wont be in stock for a few weeks im guessing) has a 7 inch threaded barrel, it this a no no? Is a flash hider illegal? it will have a BB and be single shot exempt from an 80% lower

http://www.jsesurplus.com/JSE71x95.56SSWith1RailGasBlockDPMSFloatCustomUpper .aspx

bb equiped because it has mag outside grip, has to have a BB
so you can have a
flash hider
threaded barrel

VTX
11-25-2012, 1:01 PM
thank you for all the info

aklover_91
11-25-2012, 2:57 PM
Do you already have a pistol lower or a finished 80% to build on?

The thinking at this point is you can't build a pistol on a receiver that's been DROS'd as a rifle.

Chaos47
11-25-2012, 3:04 PM
When non-properly configured, yes both are "Assault Weapons" under CA law.

12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.
(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

Properly configured, properly built (Pistol / rifle lower), barring constructive possession; either are equally legal to own.

BTW this doesn't belong in the 2A subforum..

VTX
11-25-2012, 4:06 PM
Do you already have a pistol lower or a finished 80% to build on?

The thinking at this point is you can't build a pistol on a receiver that's been DROS'd as a rifle.
Yes i have 2 lower completed and in a couple weeks ill have a 308 80% lower done, its going to be a pistol as well

Sorry for this thread going off topic, i knew someone would chime in!