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11-21-2012, 11:08 AM

"Private militias? Why that sounds to be a bit “insurrectionist,” don’t you think? But not only do our opponents tell us that the founders never conceived a right based on self-defense, they tell us they never conceived a right to arms based on the right of privately organized militias to toss off the yoke of oppressive government!"

11-22-2012, 11:03 AM
There is the "insurrectionalist" model of gun rights, but I think the "term" is offensive, just like calling a Afro-American a ******.

We should be "offended" and we should politely, but sternly correct people.

The second amendment does not recognize a right for us to "overthrow" our government, what it recognizes is our right to defend ourselves from government officials who would be violating their "oaths of office" by using the seized power of government to violate the rights of the people.

The second amendment provides us a means to restore a just government should our first amendment rights to redress grievances fail.

We must always advocate working "within our constitutional system" of "checks and balances" because that is the most effective way for us to work.

Besides, as "Gene" says, we will "win" against our opponents because we are "smarter than them".;)


11-22-2012, 12:09 PM
they tell us they never conceived a right to arms based on the right of privately organized militias to toss off the yoke of oppressive government!"

And apparently neither did George Mason's militia that you make reference to. Certainly not at the time it was formed.


At a Meeting of a Number of Gentlemen & Freeholders of Fairfax County in the Colony of Virginia, on Wednesday the 21st Day of September 1774, George Mason Esqr. in the Chair, the following Association was formed & entered into.

In this Time of extreme Danger, with the Indian Enemy in our Country, and threat'ned with the Destruction of our Civil-rights, & Liberty, and all that is dear to British Subjects & Freemen; we the Subscribers, taking into our serious consideration the present alarming Situation of all the British Colonies upon this Continent as well as our own, being sensible of the Expediency of putting the Militia of this Colony upon a more respectable Footing, & hoping to excite others by our Example, have voluntarily freely & cordially entered Into the following Association; which we, each of us for ourselves respectively, solemnly promise, & pledge our Honours to each other, and to our Country to perform.

That we will form ourselves into a Company, not exceeding one hundred Men, by the Name of The Fairfax Independent Company of Volunteers, making Choice of our own Officers; to whom, for the Sake of Good-order & Regularity, we will pay due submission. That we will meet at such Times & Places in this County as our said Officers (to be chosen by a Majority of the Members, so soon as fifty have subscribed) shall appoint & direct, for the Purpose of learning & practising the military Exercise & Discipline; dress'd in a regular Uniform of Blue, turn'd up with Buff; with plain yellow metal Buttons, Buff Waist Coat & Breeches, & white Stockings; and furnished with a good Fire-lock & Bayonet, Sling Cartouch-Box, and Tomahawk. And that we will, each of us, constantly keep by us a Stock of six pounds of Gunpowder, twenty pounds of Lead, and fifty Gun-flints, at the least.

That we will use our utmost Endeavours, as well as the Musters of the said Company, as by all other Means in our Power, to make ourselves Masters of the Military Exercise. And that we will always hold ourselves in Readiness, in Case of Necessity, hostile Invasion, or real Danger of the Community of which we are Members, to defend to the utmost of our Power, the legal prerogatives of our Sovereign King George the third, and the just Rights & Privileges of our Country, our Posterity & ourselves upon the Principles of the British Constitution.

Agreed that all the Subscribers to this Association do meet on Monday the 17th. Day of October next, at eleven o'Clock in the Fore-noon, at the Court House in Alexandria.

Source: 1 The Papers of George Mason, 210-211 (Robert A. Rutland ed. 1970).

Here is the same information published in a scan of a newspaper of the day. Center column about halfway down.