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trooper357
11-19-2012, 3:28 PM
Ok, you guys helped me decide on the Glock G-23, now I need a good hip holster for hiking and fishing. Also, I need ammo for target practice and also for protection. I was thinking 160gr for practice and 180gr for the protection both in solid bullet form. My protection is against mountain lions or other 4 legged critters and hopefully not the 2 legged type. I would like to keep the practice ammo gr close to what I will use so I will be accustomed to the recoil. Thanks...

BoJackUSMC
11-19-2012, 3:44 PM
I like Blade-Tech holsters. You should check their website out.

Kodemonkey
11-19-2012, 3:48 PM
Glock 23...

Practice ammo = whatever is cheapest at Walmart - I am not really able to notice much difference in bullet weight. Yeah there is SOME, but it's like a 2% difference. You have to load one right after the other in the same magazine for me to really discern between weights.


Home defense = take your pick of hollowpoints. I use Winchester Ranger T because that is what LASD uses. I like a heavier bullet for this - just my opinion.
Holster = I'm with BoJack, I like the Blade-tech for the Glocks. They have a really nice concealable that I like for my own G23.

http://www.blade-tech.com/Eclipse-Holster-pr-1207.html

There are cheaper options out there but I like that the Blade-tech stuff is American made (even if the gun in the holster isn't :))

dingle_berry
11-19-2012, 4:02 PM
I have a blade-tek holster and magazine holder (~$50 combo pack). It has really nice retention on both the firearm and magazines.

I use Speer ammo for practice, 180gr TMJ and have never had a problem. Not that you're asking for advice, and if you're already proficient with your firearm I apologize, but too often people think you need to run thousands of rounds through your weapon to become proficient. I'd suggest taking the cost of 1000-2000 rounds and get some training. In the long run the training will pay for itself 10 times over.

Buy some TMJ/FMJ Speer, Sellier & Bellot, Winchester 180gr and you'll be happy. luckygunner.com or ammoman.com

RoundEye
11-19-2012, 4:12 PM
For a holster, I highly recommend Raven Concealment if you're OK with Kydex and can stand the wait.

For defensive ammunition, you really want to practice with something that is as close as possible to your defensive load, and even fire off a box of the defense ammo every so often just to make sure that you're all up to speed. I personally find that the light bullets especially in .40SW are faster, tend to shoot low, and have a more violent recoil. I personally love the Winchester PDX1 (180grn).

This stuff here (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/419246/winchester-ammunition-40-s-and-w-180-grain-bonded-hollow-point-box-of-50)is an FBI over run of PDX1 that is available at a discount since it's in a brass case.

Raider888
11-19-2012, 4:48 PM
Congrats on your G23 purchase...I second the Blade tech mentioned by BoJackUSMC. For HD/SD ammo, I like Winchester PDX1.

DRAB_81
11-19-2012, 5:47 PM
JM Custom Kydex (normally a 2-4 week lead time)
http://www.jmcustomkydex.com/products-page/product/owb-holster/

Here's my GEN 4 G17 in a JM OWB:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c297/rabara9/D0744D12-AFFA-4EFE-AA76-556B7524BF35-2838-0000029BD31C28BD.jpg

For SD ammo, I like 180gr HST's, but take your pick between HST/Gold Dot/Ranger T and you'll be good either way.

trooper357
11-19-2012, 6:10 PM
How did you get the Gen 4 in Cali?

trooper357
11-19-2012, 6:14 PM
What about Magtech 40B 40SW 180 FMC for protection and Independence40 S&W 165gr FMJ for target? Cost is $18.99 for the 180gr and $17.99 for the 165gr.

DRAB_81
11-19-2012, 6:22 PM
How did you get the Gen 4 in Cali?

I'm one of the lucky ones that doesn't have to worry about the roster.

Do a search on SSE, you can get one too, it just costs a little more.

What about Magtech 40B 40SW 180 FMC for protection and Independence40 S&W 165gr FMJ for target? Cost is $18.99 for the 180gr and $17.99 for the 165gr.

If you want cheap SD ammo, just get the Winchester 180gr JHP's from Walmart. I read that Winchester uses the same JHP bullet in that round, as they do in their standard Ranger line (not Ranger T). I compared the two side by side, and they looked identical. For practice ammo, I'd get whatever FMJ is cheapest at Wallyworld.

MA2
11-19-2012, 6:44 PM
For the 4 legged ammo: instead of grain, I would look at muzzle energy.
As usual Underwood's ammo are usually the hotter loads.
Check this 135 grain +p at 675 ft/lbs (JHP though).http://www.underwoodammo.com/40sandwp135grainjacketedhollowpointboxof50.aspx

Buffalo Bore and Doubletap makes some FMJ that are hotter than most.

...those ammo are pricy :-| ... have fun =)

Red Devil
11-19-2012, 6:48 PM
Stay w/ the 180 gr. ammo. It shoots softer and burrows in better.

Holster: I'm cheap, and my Glocks don't seem to care.

OWB: Fobus GL2 PADDLE HOLSTER (http://www.fobusholster.com/products/GLOCK_17_19_22_23_31_32_34_35_PADDLE_HOLSTER-72-86.html)

IWB: shootingsystems 5C Belt Clip Holster (http://shootingsystems.com/concealment_holsters/inside_the_waistband_belt_clip_holster_iwb/)


Ammo: Different story.

Two-legged critters - Federal 180 gr. HST

Four-legged critters - Speer/CCI/Federal 180 gr. TMJ

Do it All - Speer 180 gr. Gold-Dot (bonded core)


CCI Blazers (aluminum case) 180 gr. TMJ is my regular field practice ammo.

Range reloads work fine in town.

Glocks shoot different... usually Left and a little low.

Hold it like you would a Raw Egg that you were shakin' real hard. Firm but gentle, w/ as much low-pressure contact as possible. Don't break it - Don't drop it. Then, smooth trigger and let the pistol do it's thing.

My practice is also to shoot my carry mag of tactical ammo at the end of every shoot. This facilitates rotation of fresh ammo over time and lets me know exactly how the pistol/ammo will shoot in the field. I also try to shoot that mag uncovered, so that field use will have realistic expectations and allow for better focus on the threat.


Good choice on the Pistol.

Red Devil
11-20-2012, 8:29 PM
I get a lot of Ammo from here, especially when it's on sale.

tds-us.com (http://www.tds-us.com/catalog.php/tds/pg10243)

If you order in bulk, shipping drops back to $20.00 after ~ six boxes, so the per box cost comes down pretty quick - $2/box for 10.

Bud's Gunshop (budsgunshop.com (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/index.php)) usually has a good price on CCI Blazer (al. case) 40s&w 180gr.

shhh
11-20-2012, 9:41 PM
I have a Kaluban Cloak for my g23 w/ tlr-1 -- love it.
http://www.calsentllc.com/KalubanCloak.html

Ammo-wize. I've only run 180gr thru my g23.
- for sd/hd: Federal HST JHP
- for range: Winchester Ranger 180gr fmj and Bulletman_911 reloads (180gr fmj)

fwiw. bulletman's reloads are great for the range: have run a few thousand so far, and no problems.

trooper357
11-21-2012, 2:33 PM
I have a Kaluban Cloak for my g23 w/ tlr-1 -- love it.
http://www.calsentllc.com/KalubanCloak.html

Ammo-wize. I've only run 180gr thru my g23.
- for sd/hd: Federal HST JHP
- for range: Winchester Ranger 180gr fmj and Bulletman_911 reloads (180gr fmj)

fwiw. bulletman's reloads are great for the range: have run a few thousand so far, and no problems.

Looks like they are not selling until after the first of the year.

shhh
11-21-2012, 9:08 PM
Looks like they are not selling until after the first of the year.

Ah. Sorry, I missed that.

ElDub1950
11-21-2012, 9:16 PM
curious why you think you should shoot 160 gr for practice?

choose the same weight and similar power as your chosen carry round.

typically there's little or no difference between 160 and 180 unless you're getting gouged by some store. Always cheaper to buy ammo online, in bulk.

trooper357
11-22-2012, 7:37 AM
curious why you think you should shoot 160 gr for practice?

choose the same weight and similar power as your chosen carry round.

typically there's little or no difference between 160 and 180 unless you're getting gouged by some store. Always cheaper to buy ammo online, in bulk.

The 160gr was a little cheaper. But you are right, I'm going to swap it for 180 when I go pick up the gun. No sense in practicing with anything less than what you will use in self defense. I saw in the paper today there is a gun store that has Federal .40 S&W 180gr on sale for $13.99 a box. I think I will stop by tomorrow and see. Bet they have only 1 box at that price. :(

Also, I see FMJ TMJ FMC etc. Is there a guide to explain all the differences in these shells? Also, best for Glock VS other brand guns? I know to stay away from lead bullets and all need to be .40 S&W and I don't think I want hallow points as they are for killing people VS large 4 legged animals that will possibly attack you. From what I read, you need hard cast large grain bullets. Correct? Still learning...thanks!

LMTluvr
11-22-2012, 9:51 AM
How did you get the Gen 4 in Cali?

Read the first sticky in the handgun forum. SBR in rocklin does do the SSE sales thus you're in luck :)

trooper357
11-22-2012, 10:27 AM
Read the first sticky in the handgun forum. SBR in rocklin does do the SSE sales thus you're in luck :)

No, not in luck as I already purchased the Gen3 G23 from California Tactical and have 8 more days to wait to pick it up. I have heard some complaints about the Gen4 grips being too aggressive. Not sure if that is true but I sure would have liked the backstrap and dual recoil spring setup. But I am sure the Gen3 will be just fine.

Red Devil
11-22-2012, 1:15 PM
Truncated Metal Jacked (TMJ) is a full metal jacked shaped like a dixi-cup, w/ a flat point, where FMJ is generally round pointed, but not always.

Most, if not all, the jacketed ball ammo for .40 I've seen is TMJ.

It's also a good shape for a perpetrator round as I don't think they will glance off like a round point.

trooper357
11-22-2012, 1:25 PM
Truncated Metal Jacked (TMJ) is a full metal jacked shaped like a dixi-cup, w/ a flat point, where FMJ is generally round pointed, but not always.

Most, if not all, the jacketed ball ammo for .40 I've seen is TMJ.

It's also a good shape for a perpetrator round as I don't think they will glance off like a round point.

Ok, better than hallow point against bears or mountain lions? Or do you need the hallow point to do some internal destruction? My initial thought is penetration through the thick hide or skull. Or better to cut up some tissue with the hollow points?

zdragon
11-22-2012, 4:57 PM
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Red Devil
11-22-2012, 8:26 PM
Ok, better than hallow point against bears or mountain lions? Or do you need the hallow point to do some internal destruction? My initial thought is penetration through the thick hide or skull. Or better to cut up some tissue with the hollow points?

Where I still-hunt, my biggest concern RE: dangerous game is hogs... big ones.

Half dozen shoats pop out of a thicket close by you? there's a 300+ lb. angry sow that will kill you and then eat you to protect'em. Tree-climbing is also a very handy skill.

Outside of that? A variety of snakes. A panther now and then, if you have some fresh kill on you. Black Bears... but not all that much.


Defensive shooting of Animals is different than Goblins.

For big stuff? You want to flip switches, not start timers.

Bleeding out is what a bear or big hog would do AFTER it was done w/ you.

A big charging anything will usually present a target from the base of its throat to its nose (and possibly an open mouth). Pump heavy TMJ's into there and you will shut something off.

If you felt confident that there was a better than average chance that goblins were going to be the threat? Carry Gold-dots. (although 180 gr. .40 TMJ by the baker's dozen will ruin a goblin's day as well)

I carry 180 gr. HST as that is my current preferred SD load. When I hit the woods I switch out that mag for the one full of TMJ.

On the odd chance that I get treed after a full mag of TMJ? From the perch presents a b/t the shoulder-blades spine or maybe a pallet shot depending, and a little more time to make a good shot of it. The second mag of HST would be OK for that.


At best it's peace-of-mind... a parachute.

If I want comfort? My M1 Garand or 12 ga. 870 does that. ;)

trooper357
11-23-2012, 6:17 AM
Ok, then TMJ 180gr for the beast.......thanks!

trooper357
11-24-2012, 12:33 PM
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Does anyone know the brand name of this holster? I really like it but I don't know who makes it or where to find it. Thanks.....

trooper357
11-25-2012, 7:45 AM
Is there any advantage with the leather paddle holster over the Poly holster? I like the looks of the leather but if the poly is better for carrying and drawing my Glock 23, then I want to go with whatever works best. Besides, who is going to see it when I am out in the woods besides me! :laugh:

ramathorn
11-25-2012, 9:41 AM
Whatever holster you buy don't go for the cheapest one out there. Buy quality and buy once.

zdragon
11-25-2012, 12:11 PM
Does anyone know the brand name of this holster? I really like it but I don't know who makes it or where to find it. Thanks.....

Cobragunskin is the name.

trooper357
11-25-2012, 2:03 PM
Cobragunskin is the name.

I went on their web site. Does not look the same unless yours is an older model.

Red Devil
11-27-2012, 9:54 AM
Hey Troop,

For "Stayin' on Top of the Food Chain" in a .40...?

Speer LE:
.40 Blazer (Al) 200 gr. JHP (http://le.atk.com/ammunition/speer/handgun/details.aspx?id=3590) (1000 fps/4" Bbl.)

.40 Lawman 200 gr. TMJ (http://le.atk.com/ammunition/speer/handgun/details.aspx?id=53882) (915 fps/4" Bbl.)

Hog/Gator/Bear/Cat/Deer rounds... 8>)

trooper357
11-27-2012, 10:15 AM
Hey Troop,

For "Stayin' on Top of the Food Chain" in a .40...?

Speer LE:
.40 Blazer (Al) 200 gr. JHP (http://le.atk.com/ammunition/speer/handgun/details.aspx?id=3590) (1000 fps/4" Bbl.)

.40 Lawman 200 gr. TMJ (http://le.atk.com/ammunition/speer/handgun/details.aspx?id=53882) (915 fps/4" Bbl.)

Hog/Gator/Bear/Cat/Deer rounds... 8>)

Why would a hollow point be higher fps than a flat nose? That surprises me.

Red Devil
11-27-2012, 10:27 AM
Why would a hollow point be higher fps than a flat nose? That surprises me.

JHP's tend to be tacital in nature... so they usually push'em a little. They also may be a little softer, so less resistance/pressure.

Can't find anyone that sells'em though.


Might Give ATK a WTF call.

trooper357
11-27-2012, 12:23 PM
Red Devil,

I don't see much, ok none, of the 200gr in .40S&W in the local gun shops or stores. Maybe the 180 would be easiest to find but I am going to look for the 200 just because I want to shoot and compare the 165, 180, and 200gr to see and feel the difference. I'm only really worried about mountain lions and possibly bear so I will stick with flat nose VS hallow points. I know, little to no chance of getting the ML before it gets me but I will feel safer anyway. :D

ElDub1950
11-27-2012, 12:37 PM
Red Devil,

I don't see much, ok none, of the 200gr in .40S&W in the local gun shops or stores. Maybe the 180 would be easiest to find but I am going to look for the 200 just because I want to shoot and compare the 165, 180, and 200gr to see and feel the difference. I'm only really worried about mountain lions and possibly bear so I will stick with flat nose VS hallow points. I know, little to no chance of getting the ML before it gets me but I will feel safer anyway. :D

and unless you're really really lucky, a .40 is just gonna really piss off a bear :(

trooper357
11-27-2012, 12:55 PM
and unless you're really really lucky, a .40 is just gonna really piss off a bear :(

You're probably right but I am more worried about mountain lions.

Red Devil
11-27-2012, 1:07 PM
Red Devil,

I don't see much, ok none, of the 200gr in .40S&W in the local gun shops or stores. Maybe the 180 would be easiest to find but I am going to look for the 200 just because I want to shoot and compare the 165, 180, and 200gr to see and feel the difference. I'm only really worried about mountain lions and possibly bear so I will stick with flat nose VS hallow points. I know, little to no chance of getting the ML before it gets me but I will feel safer anyway. :D

For Mountain Lions and the occasional Goblin, I'd probably go w/ the 180 gr. Gold Dot. It's a bonded bullet and won't over-expand.

Big Hogs/Bears/Gators are different.


Now, Gators w/ Hogs...?

http://deerspace.com/file/pic/gallery/19073_view.jpg

You may want to reconsider that M1 Garand. :D

trooper357
11-27-2012, 1:45 PM
Red Devil,

That lizard is awfully big! One of your pets? You gotta feed it pigs? LOL

Makes me glad I don't live down south in the swamps. I hate snakes, gators, and other big azz reptiles.

Thinking about a leather belt holster instead of a paddle. Some things just don't belong in a mans pants. :nuke:


For Mountain Lions and the occasional Goblin, I'd probably go w/ the 180 gr. Gold Dot. It's a bonded bullet and won't over-expand.

Big Hogs/Bears/Gators are different.


Now, Gators w/ Hogs...?

http://deerspace.com/file/pic/gallery/19073_view.jpg

You may want to reconsider that M1 Garand. :D

ElDub1950
11-27-2012, 1:59 PM
For Mountain Lions and the occasional Goblin, I'd probably go w/ the 180 gr. Gold Dot. It's a bonded bullet and won't over-expand.

Big Hogs/Bears/Gators are different.


Now, Gators w/ Hogs...?

http://deerspace.com/file/pic/gallery/19073_view.jpg

You may want to reconsider that M1 Garand. :D

hmmm anyone make alligator holsters? I've never seen one.

trooper357
11-27-2012, 3:15 PM
I ended up ordering a Blade-Tech Holster. It has 2 different holster attachments. Either adjustable belt height or paddle. Also adjustable angle of holster. Not leather but that's ok. At least it gives me several options on how I want to wear it.