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Occams Rasor
11-19-2012, 10:23 AM
What is a reasonable expectation shooting a stock Ruger 1022 at 100Yrds?
I did Google research and found results from 1 group to 8 group. Both do not seem realistic. I can do better than 8", no way 1". Here are the conditions: Stock 1022, 9X scope, shooting from bench rest, mini-mag ammo. So what reasonable grouping should I be satisfied with?
I do OK at 50 and 75yrds. But at the century mark, I am really having a problem.
Or, at least I think I should be doing better. I realize 100yrds is pushing it for
a 22LR, but that is what I enjoy.

kcjr1125
11-19-2012, 10:25 AM
i just put my first 10/22 in jail so iam interested in this as well.

JNunez23
11-19-2012, 10:30 AM
Stock 10/22, not sure.

I know with my bull-barreled 10/22; maybe 2" groups..maybe better. Not too sure.

All depends on your set-up and your expectations. What plans do you have for the rifle? Usage purpose?

paul0660
11-19-2012, 10:32 AM
Depends a lot on your ammo, eyes, and the wind. It is certainly minute of man.

sd_shooter
11-19-2012, 10:39 AM
You'll be able to hit a man sized target on every shot.

FredoSD
11-19-2012, 10:50 AM
You'll be able to hit a man sized target on every shot.

Especialy if he's fat

paul0660
11-19-2012, 10:52 AM
Occam, cool handle, one of my favorite references, but misspelled.

glockman19
11-19-2012, 11:24 AM
You should be able to get groups or 2" or less.

foesgth
11-19-2012, 11:37 AM
You may want to rethink your ammo. High velocity ammo is supersonic when it leaves the barrel. It only stays supersonic out to about the 75 yard mark. When is drops back below the speed of sound it develops a wobble. I use standard velocity ammo in my 10/22 and hit clays (they are about 4") at 200 yards. My rifle is stock except for polishing the trigger and adding a 3x9 scope. Grab some good standard velocity ammo and you'll see the difference.

only10x
11-19-2012, 11:47 AM
realistically? im thinking 6" + group

desertjosh
11-19-2012, 12:25 PM
Ive got a stock 10/22 with trigger upgrades and a 3-9x. At p2k in their 100 yard indoor range I can pull ~2" groups. Of course there is no wind to deal with...

FredoSD
11-19-2012, 12:31 PM
DesertJosh, I pick up my new 10-22 on friday I'll be going P2K to check it out. I just wish they would let me shoot my 22/45 on that range too. But pistols are only allowed on the rifle range if they are scoped.

Hunter47
11-19-2012, 12:51 PM
.22 LR rifles are very accurate. Although not as accurate as you would expect from an Anschutz, I have seen 10.22s perform well. The key is in some of the recomendations. Ammo is very important. Use Match ammo and stay in the 1040 fps range. Wind will have a big effect on your bullet out to 100 yards. If it's steady you can adjust but it it's gusty you would have to learn to read the wind. In small bore Silhouette you have to hit a small Ram steel target at 100 meters. Your 10/22 with the proper scope and ammo can easily compete.

Izzy43
11-19-2012, 1:27 PM
Probably 2" groups from a stock 10/22 are a reasonable expectation. Ditch the high velocity ammo when shooting for precision at any distance unless you buy high $$$ Lapua, RWS or Tenex HV.

Main contributors to precision shooting are (in no particular order):

1. Trigger
2. Ammo
3. Scope/mount/rings
4. Quality of the rifle.
5. Skill of the shooter

For best precision @ 100yds, a scope with at least 20x is best and made in the Philippines or better yet, Japan. Most serious benchrest .22 shooters opt for 36x scopes even at 50yds. Two pound trigger pull or less (many in the 6-8oz area). Sub-sonic ammo in the 1040-1080fps range. SK Std+ or Wolf Match Target is about as inexpensive as I would go. Quality of the rifle varies of course from one to the next when it leaves the factory.

Don't expect any stock semi-auto to shoot as well as any stock bolt action. When fired a semi-auto has a lot more going on such as firing, extraction, loading the next round. Leads to more vibration, more parts moving around. According to Leupold, .001" of movement at the muzzle = 1" variation of POI @ 100yds, not a lot of room for error. Most semi-autos will require some work (trigger, bedding, maybe muzzle crown, after market parts) to perform well. Just do some research on what some 10/22 owners do to make their rifles into tack drivers.

Then there is the skill of the shooter. Practice, practice, practice.

rsrocket1
11-19-2012, 1:41 PM
At 100 yards, I am happy with minute of soda can. It's fun to start with the can at about 10 feet and keep knocking it further and further out until you miss. Makes a great game to see if you can keep shooting until your magazine is empty. The best thing is you can still recycle the can and get your CRV back, just don't leave the lead in it.

desertjosh
11-19-2012, 1:46 PM
DesertJosh, I pick up my new 10-22 on friday I'll be going P2K to check it out. I just wish they would let me shoot my 22/45 on that range too. But pistols are only allowed on the rifle range if they are scoped.

Nice! I was there last sunday, to test my AR pistol. Man it was crowded! Lots of eye candy too..

ojisan
11-19-2012, 1:53 PM
You may want to rethink your ammo. High velocity ammo is supersonic when it leaves the barrel. It only stays supersonic out to about the 75 yard mark. When is drops back below the speed of sound it develops a wobble. I use standard velocity ammo in my 10/22 and hit clays (they are about 4") at 200 yards. My rifle is stock except for polishing the trigger and adding a 3x9 scope. Grab some good standard velocity ammo and you'll see the difference.

^ Very important info on velocity here.
Also you should try different ammo to see which ones your gun likes best.
Don't be afraid to try bulk-pack ammo, if it works with your gun, it works with your gun.
The target grade ammo is superior but does cost more....and you still have to see if your gun likes it.

You should be able to get groups or 2" or less.

Yup! (You may want to add better iron sights or even a budget 3x9 scope to do this....depends on how good your eyes are).

defcon
11-19-2012, 2:22 PM
i have a cheap $40 Bushnell Banner AO scope 3x9-50

why does it get blurry when i zoom in to the fullest @ 100 yds?

its clear at 50 yds

rsrocket1
11-19-2012, 2:53 PM
i have a cheap $40 Bushnell Banner AO scope 3x9-50

why does it get blurry when i zoom in to the fullest @ 100 yds?

its clear at 50 yds

Is there a separate focusing ring you aren't adjusting? Most scopes with that much magnification need focusing.

FredoSD
11-19-2012, 3:02 PM
Is there a separate focusing ring you aren't adjusting? Most scopes with that much magnification need focusing.


^^This
It's probably the rear eye piece, caution there may or may not be a lock ring that needs to be loosened first. Rule of thumb, if it doesn't move with ease STOP and figure out why.

defcon
11-19-2012, 3:03 PM
Is there a separate focusing ring you aren't adjusting? Most scopes with that much magnification need focusing.

ill try it to see if theres another ring to focus after zooming in.

Izzy43
11-19-2012, 3:31 PM
^^This
It's probably the rear eye piece, caution there may or may not be a lock ring that needs to be loosened first. Rule of thumb, if it doesn't move with ease STOP and figure out why.

The rear eye piece is only used to focus the reticle. Procedure for that is to point the scope at a blank wall or up at a clear sky and adjust the rear eye piece until the reticle is in focus. Lock it (if that's available) and don't move it again.

The Adjustable Objective (AO) is used to focus on the target at different ranges. Don't be misled by the markings on the AO as they are typically not very accurate. Adjust the AO so the target is in focus. Then while looking at the reticle centered on the target move your head right/left and up/down and make sure the reticle stays centered on the target. If it doesn't then you have parallax error induced in the scope.

Continue adjusting the AO and moving your head until the reticle does not move off center. You have now eliminated parallax error. If the scope will not do this or the target is out of focus after eliminating parallax error then the scope is defective. Not removing parallax error in a scope with an AO is a common problem for shooters. Many shots that we consider to be flyers are caused by parallax error in the scope as the crosshairs will not be on the center of the target unless your eye is exactly in the same place looking thru the scope every time.

tanakasan
11-19-2012, 3:36 PM
i have a cheap $40 Bushnell Banner AO scope 3x9-50

why does it get blurry when i zoom in to the fullest @ 100 yds?

its clear at 50 yds

Good glass is not cheap. Good value however, can be had. A mid grade offering from a reputable maker can be very serviceable. I like my Mueller APV in the $120 range. AO, 4.5-14x44. Great on my Razor 22LR build.

And yes, the AO needs to be set every time for the distance shooting.

Robert

us.marshal
11-19-2012, 3:47 PM
Stock 10/22 18 in barrel with 3-9x40 rimfire scope. Bench-rested and using CCI mini-mags, I get 3" groups at 100 yds. Fun!!!

mif_slim
11-19-2012, 3:54 PM
I get right about 2" with federal bulk, 2.5-3" with Rem gold.

Why do people think 22 are inaccurate past 50 yards?? I use 22lr to shoot 300 yards regularly to practice 1000 yard drops for hi-power rifles..

defcon
11-19-2012, 3:56 PM
I get right about 2" with federal bulk, 2.5-3" with Rem gold.

Why do people think 22 are inaccurate past 50 yards?? I use 22lr to shoot 300 yards regularly to practice 1000 yard drops for hi-power rifles..

bone stock 10/22 can shoot 300 yards? whats your setup/ammo?

id like to try this at angeles

JNunez23
11-19-2012, 4:06 PM
I get right about 2" with federal bulk, 2.5-3" with Rem gold.

Why do people think 22 are inaccurate past 50 yards?? I use 22lr to shoot 300 yards regularly to practice 1000 yard drops for hi-power rifles..

Totally possible. I would do that with my stock 10/22 set-up. Even better now with my .920 barrel.

You'll have about 13 feet of drop; but it will make 300 yards all day.

mif_slim
11-19-2012, 4:12 PM
bone stock 10/22 can shoot 300 yards? whats your setup/ammo?

id like to try this at angeles

Bone stock with Simmons scope. It dials out at about 275 yards, I have to shim the rear to get it to reach 325 yards.

Im only using Federal Bulk to shoot that far. Im not talking about hitting cans at 300, Im talking about hitting 16" paper/gongs. :D

dangerranger
11-19-2012, 5:02 PM
As others have pointed out if you are happy at 50 and 75yds, its an ammo failure. try standard or sub sonic rounds. Good luck DR

runway1
11-19-2012, 6:50 PM
i have a cheap $40 Bushnell Banner AO scope 3x9-50

why does it get blurry when i zoom in to the fullest @ 100 yds?

its clear at 50 yds

Sorry but - "i have a cheap $40 Bushnell ..."...pretty much gives you your answer.

defcon
11-19-2012, 7:58 PM
Sorry but - "i have a cheap $40 Bushnell ..."...pretty much gives you your answer.

the $40 Bushnell scope was never intended to get tight groups or precision shooting at 100 yards. if i can do it, great.

i mainly bought it for plinking at 50-75 yards at my local shooting gallery.

sholling
11-19-2012, 8:14 PM
The box stock rifle is capable of 2-3" groups with bulk ammo if there is no, zip, zero, nada crosswind. What the shooter is capable of is anybody's guess. Honestly 50yds is a much more realistic distance for a 22 because of the effect that even the slightest breeze has on the slow moving lightweight bullet. With an aftermarket match barrel and match ammo it likes you can get sub MOA groups out of a 10/22 if you do your part.

sholling
11-19-2012, 8:21 PM
bone stock 10/22 can shoot 300 yards? whats your setup/ammo?

id like to try this at angeles
Here's the chart for a CCI MiniMag.
http://www.shooterscalculator.com/ballistic-trajectory-chart.php?t=650f4d6e

Sunday
11-19-2012, 8:34 PM
Also you will have to try different kinds and brands of ammo to see which shoots out of your rifle the best. You will have fun playing with that rifle.

Realist2011
11-23-2012, 7:06 AM
Once you get the ammo straightened out. If you do decide to do some modifications as said earlier a new trigger and barrel. Try the trigger first then go to the barrel. I have found that the 10-22 can really benefit from a good trigger.

XDRoX
11-23-2012, 7:19 AM
I can do sub 1" groups at 100yards and all 5 shots through one hole at 50yards at P2K's indoor range. But I have pretty modified 10/22s with larger scopes.

With a stock 10/22 and a 3x9 scope I think I'd be happy with 4" or 5" groups.

As others have stated its your ammo that's the problem. Try some Wolf Match.

http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/XDRoX619/10222.jpg

pennys dad
11-23-2012, 5:07 PM
right now I am averaging 2 inch groups at 100 yards with:
Stock 10/22, SK standard plus 40 grn 1050 fps ammo, Leupold Mark AR 1-4x scope, a GI Sling ad prone position.
I know I can do better just need some more practice.

Bigtwin
11-23-2012, 9:13 PM
With my mostly stock 10/22(I have a Tapco T6 stock and a Barska 4x scope) I have no issue keeping all 10 rounds on the 2" shoot-n-see targets. Most all of them touching one another. I have ran out to 100yds outdoors and my groups were more like 8-10". All this while using cheap bulk ammo.
After reading this thread I think I may pick up some match ammo and try my luck at 100yds this weekend.