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viras
07-24-2007, 10:31 PM
Will this fit my RAA Saiga .308? Does anyone have one that can confirm?

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/bgprod/SCP-068.jpg

It's made by Leapers...

Leapers Website (http://www.leapers.com/pages/mounting%20systems/tri-rail%20mount.htm)

Thank you.

VAHEVAHE
07-24-2007, 10:35 PM
Will this fit my RAA Saiga .308? Does anyone have one that can confirm?

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/bgprod/SCP-068.jpg

It's made by Leapers...

Leapers Website (http://www.leapers.com/pages/mounting%20systems/tri-rail%20mount.htm)

Thank you.

There is a small chance you might have to remove the gas tube to install it but it will fit i have one and regretted installing it , its a waste.

viras
07-24-2007, 10:42 PM
There is a small chance you might have to remove the gas tube to install it but it will fit i have one and regretted installing it , its a waste.

Well crap, that sucks. It seemed like a good idea...

What do you recommend for mounting a bipod?

PsychoTrucker
07-24-2007, 10:49 PM
no I think he means, remove gas tube from gun, install rail system, replace gas tube.

but in actuallity you couldnt mount that under the gas tube anyway, due to the length of the forearm, BUT you could mount it in front of the gas assembly on the barrel

VAHEVAHE
07-24-2007, 10:49 PM
This is the best bi pod i have used so far http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/BIPOD103-41834-724.html but it does take a VERY SMALL bit of blue off the barrel but its very solid and sturdy, if you are looking to keep your rifle museum quality then this bi pod isn't for you . I have had it on my new Wasr-10 for about 800 rounds and its just as sturdy as a Harris but i do need to note that it is heavy.

VAHEVAHE
07-24-2007, 10:51 PM
no I think he means, remove gas tube from gun, install rail system, replace gas tube

yes thats what i mean :), did u think i meant taking it completely off? :D

69Mach1
07-24-2007, 10:59 PM
Install a bipod stud (a.k.a. sling stud) yourself. The Saiga forearm has a hole already there. Then you can install a Harris or Versa Pod.

viras
07-24-2007, 11:04 PM
This is the best bi pod i have used so far http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/BIPOD103-41834-724.html but it does take a VERY SMALL bit of blue off the barrel but its very solid and sturdy, if you are looking to keep your rifle museum quality then this bi pod isn't for you . I have had it on my new Wasr-10 for about 800 rounds and its just as sturdy as a Harris but i do need to note that it is heavy.

This is my first rifle and my first time buying stuff for it. Sorry for the stupid n00bie questions. I read about the bluing scratching off in some of the reviews, and I'd prefer not to scratch mine...

Will this one fit? Or is there one that will fit that won't scratch it?

CTD Leapers Bipod (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/BIPOD102-41833-724.html)

I'm also getting one of these for mounting a scope. Please feel free to comment:

Side Mount (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AKS006-44765-2712.html)

And this scope. Please feel free to comment:

Scope (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/SCP100-56188-1509.html)

And then, 10 boxes of this. Please feel free to comment:

Ammo (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/65757-7429-123.html)

I wanna take it out to the desert this weekend or next and shoot it at 100 yards and I gotta buy it soon so it'll get here on time. CTD usually ships really fast...

VAHEVAHE
07-24-2007, 11:10 PM
This is my first rifle and my first time buying stuff for it. Sorry for the stupid n00bie questions. I read about the bluing scratching off in some of the reviews, and I'd prefer not to scratch mine...

Will this one fit? Or is there one that will fit that won't scratch it?

CTD Leapers Bipod (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/BIPOD102-41833-724.html)

I'm also getting one of these for mounting a scope. Please feel free to comment:

Side Mount (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AKS006-44765-2712.html)

And this scope. Please feel free to comment:

Scope (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/SCP100-56188-1509.html)

And then, 10 boxes of this. Please feel free to comment:

Ammo (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/65757-7429-123.html)

My personal opinion is drop the scope because leaper sucks, spend a bit extra and get a brand name that will hold zero, and dont get that bipod because i have had that bipod before and it sucks:

You see the part of the bipod that connects to the rail

NOW do you see the legs of the bipod.

ok the top portion and the bottom portion of the bipod will rotate after enough shots, you will need to tighten it after every range trip or just weld the bipod to stop it from rotating, i dont recommend it on a .22 caliber rifle, which is what i got it for , much less a 308


Let me just give you a really good piece of advice, what i have learned about guns(the hard Way ) , dont ever go cheap on a gun for accessories save up for a year if you have to but get quality items that will last your life

viras
07-25-2007, 1:59 PM
My personal opinion is drop the scope because leaper sucks, spend a bit extra and get a brand name that will hold zero, and dont get that bipod because i have had that bipod before and it sucks:

You see the part of the bipod that connects to the rail

NOW do you see the legs of the bipod.

ok the top portion and the bottom portion of the bipod will rotate after enough shots, you will need to tighten it after every range trip or just weld the bipod to stop it from rotating, i dont recommend it on a .22 caliber rifle, which is what i got it for , much less a 308


Let me just give you a really good piece of advice, what i have learned about guns(the hard Way ) , dont ever go cheap on a gun for accessories save up for a year if you have to but get quality items that will last your life

But the original clamp-on bipod you recommended was a Leaper's bipod too... You're saying that the clamp-on one is better than the one I linked? OK - I'll take your word for it. Thanks bro.

So what kind of scope do you think I should get? I was thinking about spending about $150 or so, but then I saw the leaper's one for $71 bucks and it had the same specs as as many others which are more expensive... I don't get it - if it has the same specs as the more expensive models, then why would it lose it's zero?

I don't mind spending $$ on my rifle, but at the same time, I'm shopping around for the best value. I mean, for God's sake, it's a $350 dollar Saiga... I don't wanna be tricking it out with a Nikon scope or something more expensive than the rifle itself... It's kindof pointless, right, considering that this rifle only has a range of 300 yards or so anyway?

Again, sorry for all the n00biness... this is my first rifle. I have plenty of handguns, but this whole scope/bipod/mounting thing is all new to me.

viras
07-25-2007, 2:01 PM
Install a bipod stud (a.k.a. sling stud) yourself. The Saiga forearm has a hole already there. Then you can install a Harris or Versa Pod.

Does a bipod stud/sling stud come with a bipod, or do I gotta buy it separately? And do they come in different sizes, or is it one-size-fits-all? If they come in different sizes, can you please link me to one that will fit my rifle?

VAHEVAHE
07-25-2007, 2:33 PM
But the original clamp-on bipod you recommended was a Leaper's bipod too... You're saying that the clamp-on one is better than the one I linked? OK - I'll take your word for it. Thanks bro.

The brand name dosnt matter for bipod's its the construction of the bipod, it needs to be solid.

So what kind of scope do you think I should get? I was thinking about spending about $150 or so, but then I saw the leaper's one for $71 bucks and it had the same specs as as many others which are more expensive... I don't get it - if it has the same specs as the more expensive models, then why would it lose it's zero?

I don't mind spending $$ on my rifle, but at the same time, I'm shopping around for the best value. I mean, for God's sake, it's a $350 dollar Saiga... I don't wanna be tricking it out with a Nikon scope or something more expensive than the rifle itself... It's kindof pointless, right, considering that this rifle only has a range of 300 yards or so anyway?

Again, sorry for all the n00biness... this is my first rifle. I have plenty of handguns, but this whole scope/bipod/mounting thing is all new to me.

why dont you go with iron sights, i hate scopes for some reason, ,the only scope that i would buy because of the quality is Leupold they start at 250 dollers but name me something that is 250 and is as reliable and built for life

My advice, go with irons

GunOwner
07-25-2007, 3:03 PM
I think the OP wants a scope because the iron sights on the Saiga really suck. I agree putting an expensive scope on a Saiga may be overkill. I will defer to others with more experience but I had always understood scope quality had more to do with brightness and clarity not a basic hold zero issue. Most advice I have gotten regarding holding zero has been to make sure the mount is solid. I have the mount the OP is asking about and it is solid. Unless the reticle moves inside the tube (which I think would only result from a manufacturing defect) it should hold zero. Since I didn't want to spend a lot I limited my scope to 3-9 variable magnification - figuring that if the cheap scope had clarity and brightness issues those would only be magnified worse if I got a 16X - plus given the accuracy of the Saiga and the heat shimmer at 16x just seemed to not fit well with the rifle. FWIW - YMMV

p.s. BTW the Saiga .308 effective range is well beyond 300 yards - it won't drive nails at longer distances (unless you walk out and use the butt end) but the .308 round is effective out to 1000 yards (in steadier hands than mine of course).

viras
07-25-2007, 3:08 PM
why dont you go with iron sights, i hate scopes for some reason, ,the only scope that i would buy because of the quality is Leupold they start at 250 dollers but name me something that is 250 and is as reliable and built for life

My advice, go with irons

It is possible to have vision superior to 20/20: the maximum acuity of the human eye without visual aids (such as binoculars) is generally thought to be around 20/10 (6/3). Recent developments in optometry have resulted in corrective lenses conferring upon the wearer a vision of up to 20/10. Some birds, such as hawks, are believed to have an acuity of around 20/2; in this respect, their vision is much better than human eyesight.

I'm blind in my right eye, which makes it tough to shoot with iron-sights alone - since I'm blind in one eye, I'm unable to discern distance very well, although whatever I focus upon, I can see clearly - which makes a scope optimal for my needs.

Next time you go shooting, try covering one eye and the using iron sights - you'll see what I have to put up with - it sucks. You can't really tell how far away something is.

The good part is that I have 20/12 vision in my left eye naturally, which I feel makes up for any shortcomings. If I get a scope, I'll probably be able to shoot way more accurately and push the limits of the scope.

Leupold, eh? I'll check 'em out.

Stuka
07-25-2007, 6:43 PM
Does anybody just make better sights for the saiga? A rear adjustable peep-hole and front post would go a long ways to making it more accurate to aim. When I used to rifle qual at the 500 yard range I never had an issue with the stand sights for an M16A2. But the standard sights on the saiga are just as bad as the sights russia used 50 years ago.

GunOwner
07-25-2007, 7:13 PM
Does anybody just make better sights for the saiga? A rear adjustable peep-hole and front post would go a long ways to making it more accurate to aim. When I used to rifle qual at the 500 yard range I never had an issue with the stand sights for an M16A2. But the standard sights on the saiga are just as bad as the sights russia used 50 years ago.


I hear you Stuka the Saiga sights are awful. I think an AK peep sight will fit the rear sight mount but given the receiver cover in the back makes for a long relief for a peep sight for my old eyes. I was thinking about putting a AR rear sight on a low scope mount (like the one the OP specified) but I think it will sit too high. Maybe throwing a red dot on the mount would be a better alternative.