Hi cap mags.

[Nile]

I did try the search feature first but could not find my answer. If I take my OLL out of state along with hi-cap mags to go shooting. Would it be legal to bring the hi-cap mags back from out of state? Again, staying fixed mag in and out of the state.

[tlillard23]

Don't call normal capacity mags Hi-cap.

[Shane916]

Yes thats legal. Just be sure the fixed mag is only 10 rounds or less when in CA.

[Jicko]

I did try the search feature first but could not find my answer.

http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/DOJ-large-cap-magazines-2005-11-10.pdf
(tips thread, link from my signature,.... do have your answers)


If I take my OLL out of state along with hi-cap mags to go shooting. Would it be legal to bring the hi-cap mags back from out of state?

YES.


Again, staying fixed mag in and out of the state.

Again, a reminder, fixed mag can ONLY be 10 or less rounds.

[dfletcher]

Don't call normal capacity mags Hi-cap.

The question's already been answered so I hope this doesn't constitute hijacking the thread, but the term "hi - capacity" magazine has always been a pet peeve of mine also. Little did I know growing up that my BHP had hi cap magazines as did Dad's M1 Carbine and later his S & W 59. I wasn't even aware we were bad people with hi - cap mags until 1994. :(

Since the term "hi - capacity" is one of those insidious politically manipulative terms designed to further the anti - gun agenda, what term can we use in its place?

I like normal capacity, but prefer standard capacity because it speaks to what the gun was designed to carry. I suppose "plus 10" is is fine where legal specificity is required. Any other suggestions?

[Jicko]

I hate the term "hi-cap" or "large capacity magazine" too..

"Latest Information about Large Capacity Magazines, Assault Weapon Registration Requirements and Regulations"
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/sb23indx.php?PHPSESSID=c099a493ef4a3e55f848705bdf8 a45c0

But that's the term which is published everywhere, and is in PC12020.... so, many people refer to them with those terms.... you don't see "standard capacity magazines" or "reduced capacity magazines" in the PC.

[bwiese]

I did try the search feature first but could not find my answer. If I take my OLL out of state along with hi-cap mags to go shooting. Would it be legal to bring the hi-cap mags back from out of state? Again, staying fixed mag in and out of the state.

You can take your legally-owned, legally-acquired hicap mags out of state and back in. This is specifically allowed.

Of course, for your hicaps to be legal here, you must have possessed/ acquired them in California on or before 31 Dec 1999.

IMPORTANT: YOU CANNOT USE HICAP MAGS IN A FIXED-MAG OLL SEMIAUTO CENTERFIRE RIFLE INSIDE CA. Fixed mag semiauto centerfire rifles must use a fixed mag of 10 rounds or less or they trigger an alternate definition of assault weapon in CA.

In a free state outside CA you are free to reconfigure your rifle as you like since CA idiocy does not apply. Just make sure the rifle is configured correctly into a legal configuration before returning back into CA.

[mcubed4130]

I did try the search feature first but could not find my answer. If I take my OLL out of state along with hi-cap mags to go shooting. Would it be legal to bring the hi-cap mags back from out of state? Again, staying fixed mag in and out of the state.

Nile,

The term hi-cap mag, is a little misleading... the "standard capacity mag" for the AR pattern rifle, is 30 rounds. However since California has laws about anything over 10rnds, the term hi-capacity tends to get over-used.

Next, assuming "your OLL" = an Off List Lower AR pattern rifle...

And since you mentioned a "fixed mag" configuration, then I assume you have 1 or more of the following features listed below. (A-F)

The term “assault weapon” also means any firearm that falls under one of the following definitions
pursuant to Penal Code section 12276.1:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable
magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.
...
(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more
than 10 rounds.


So - due to the features on your AR pattern rifle, you do need BOTH - a method on your firearm that does not allow for "detachment of the magazine" (fixed mag) - BUT - you also need to keep the CA 10 round magazine as well.

Now when you leave CA, you can certainly take any of your legal property with you - such as standard mags - and bring them back with you when you return.

Additionally while you are out of state, you will need to abide by the laws of where-ever you go. Which in general means, you can remove the silly CA 10 round mag, drop in your standard 30 rounders... and enjoy yourself.

However, before you return to CA, make sure firearm again has it's CA 10 round mag, and does not accept detachable mags (fixed mag) - AR pattern rifle.

-M3

[bwiese]

I hate the term "hi-cap" or "large capacity magazine" too.....
But that's the term which is published everywhere, and is in PC12020.... so, many people refer to them with those terms.... you don't see "standard capacity magazines" or "reduced capacity magazines" in the PC.


Yes, for better or worse those terms are known and understandable.

We can have enough 'progun political correctness' on our side by using different terms that we could end up confusing some poor soul into using the wrong mag.

Let's let the unfortunate terminology stick because at least we all know what people are trying to say....

[paradox]

Since the term "hi - capacity" is one of those insidious politically manipulative terms designed to further the anti - gun agenda, what term can we use in its place?

I like normal capacity...



I'm partial to "norm-cap".

It has the same catchy two syllable ring to it as hi-cap, but bespeaks to the abnormal situation we find ourselves in behind the Golden Curtain.

[Nile]

Thank you for the quick responce.
Nile.

[CCWFacts]

"Hi-cap" and "normal-cap" are different issues. For example, an 8-round 1911 mag is "normal-cap" but not "legally-defined hi-cap" and is legally not restricted here in CA. A 17-rnd G17 mag is both "normal-cap" and "legally-defined high-cap" and is restricted here.

[bwiese]

"Hi-cap" and "normal-cap" are different issues. For example, an 8-round 1911 mag is "normal-cap" but not "legally-defined hi-cap" and is legally not restricted here in CA. A 17-rnd G17 mag is both "normal-cap" and "legally-defined high-cap" and is restricted here.

Yes, agreed, but all this handwaving is gonna confuse a noob.

Since the DOJ BoF is using our Calguns-coined "off list" terminology internally ("off list lowers", "off list rifles", etc.) we can return the favor :)

For the sake of sanity I believe that we should have our terms consistent with the laws - "high cap" and "large capacity" ==> holds over 10 rounds.

My personal goal is not 'politically correct with gun people' but the most consistent/understandable-by-all terminology that can keep people out of jail.

[rbgaynor]

I always use "standard capacity" when talking to friends and neighbors - with the emphasis on standard.

[torsf]

The question's already been answered so I hope this doesn't constitute hijacking the thread, but the term "hi - capacity" magazine has always been a pet peeve of mine also. Little did I know growing up that my BHP had hi cap magazines as did Dad's M1 Carbine and later his S & W 59. I wasn't even aware we were bad people with hi - cap mags until 1994. :(

Since the term "hi - capacity" is one of those insidious politically manipulative terms designed to further the anti - gun agenda, what term can we use in its place?

I like normal capacity, but prefer standard capacity because it speaks to what the gun was designed to carry. I suppose "plus 10" is is fine where legal specificity is required. Any other suggestions?

How about '20rd standard', '30rd standard' & '10rd reduced capacity' or '10rd reduced capacity ca legal'? Regardless what it may mean legally, the labels we use are extremely important. Just look at what the term 'assault weapon' has done for the anti-gun lobby. Anytime 'hi-cap' or 'assault weapon' has been mentioned in any of the gun discussions I've been in with anti-gun friends/family, I immediately get a question similar to: 'well why do you need a hi-cap, can't you just make due with a normal mag?'. It's like asking "did you really need to supersize that?"

If we label 10rd mags a 'reduced capacity' it implies that ca law is a handicap... hi-cap implies that ca law is preventing excess.

[Parag]

How about "Traditional capacity"? "Classic capacity"? "Normal capacity" vs "neutered capacity"? Or take a page from the confusing USB speeds and call 'em "full capacity" instead of "high capacity".

-- Parag

[blkA4alb]

I don't understand why everyone wants to further confuse the issue and complicate the terminology :rolleyes: .

Pick your battles, this isn't one of them.

[Unregistered]

How about just plain old 30 round mag .... 10 round mag ... people always want to make even the simplest things difficult.

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

"California Legal" and "Five-Star Felon" Mags.