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Scouter
07-22-2007, 9:23 AM
Anyone suggest a good long range scope for a 308?
I've had a few mediocre scopes that really piss me off, clear as day until you go past 14x then you just get mirage and starts looking very cloudy!

Thannks

Scouter
07-22-2007, 9:36 AM
And if anyone can suggest a good place to buy as well that would be awesome.

rksimple
07-22-2007, 9:41 AM
What's your price range. That determines what gets recommended. Also, even with nice glass, mirage still becomes an issue as you increse magnification.

Scouter
07-22-2007, 9:44 AM
I'd like to spend less than 1k

rksimple
07-22-2007, 10:11 AM
What is your intended use of the scope? Will it be paper punching at KD targets or UKD targets in a more dynamic environment? If its the latter, I'd recommend a first focal plane scope.



Under 1K:
http://www.opticsplanet.net/leupold-mark-4-4-5-14x40mm-pr-long-range-rifle-scope.html (Not FFP).

Also, this IOR: http://www.swfa.com/pc-10157-292-ior-25-10x42-tactical-30mm-rifle-scope.aspx (FFP, CM knobs, illuminated, crystal clear glass...I've used this scope on an AR and its amazing).

This one too: http://www.swfa.com/pc-10182-292-ior-4-14x50-tactical-30mm-rifle-scope.aspx I think Prc has this one. He wrote up a review somewhere around here.



Above $1k, look into nightforce if FFP isn't a big issue for you. They're outstanding.

Also, this IOR: http://www.swfa.com/pc-10161-292-new-ior-3-18x42-tactical-35mm-rifle-scope.aspx Its the one my 308 will be wearing as soon as it arrives.

glockman19
07-22-2007, 11:06 AM
I put a Bushnell 4200 6-24x40 on my M1A with great success.

Scouter
07-22-2007, 11:40 AM
awesome, thanks for the input guys

aplinker
07-22-2007, 12:39 PM
I've been looking to add/replace some scopes, too.

Does anyone make a FFP illuminated scope? Everyone seems to make those mutually exclusive. I don't mind paying.

Prc329
07-22-2007, 1:22 PM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=62743

You won't be disappointed.

DJDace
07-22-2007, 2:47 PM
I've been looking to add/replace some scopes, too.

Does anyone make a FFP illuminated scope? Everyone seems to make those mutually exclusive. I don't mind paying.

The IOR rksimple recommended would be a good option to go with that won't break your bank. IOR makes a great scope with phenomenal glass and very responsive adjustments.

Check one out if you can!

rksimple
07-22-2007, 3:37 PM
I've been looking to add/replace some scopes, too.

Does anyone make a FFP illuminated scope? Everyone seems to make those mutually exclusive. I don't mind paying.

Well, if you really don't mind paying, take a look at US Optics and Schmidt and Bender. I'm partial to USO for the insane amount of options they have and bombproof reputation. They had an open house here a couple weeks back and I toured their facility. Great guys and an excellent product. Hopefully in the not too distant future, all my precision rifles will wear USO.

ocabj
07-22-2007, 5:24 PM
If you need something greater than 10x, then the Leupold MK4 4.5-14 series can be had for $900 (but under $1k) depending on model. This is based on C&R discount with Grafs.

Hot Brass
07-22-2007, 7:44 PM
Anyone suggest a good long range scope for a 308?
I've had a few mediocre scopes that really piss me off, clear as day until you go past 14x then you just get mirage and starts looking very cloudy!

Thannks

Scouter I have dealt with theopticzone.com and they are there to serve you.

Here are a few scopes that under $1000.00.

http://theopticzone.com/detail.aspx?ID=4553

http://theopticzone.com/detail.aspx?ID=2910

http://theopticzone.com/detail.aspx?ID=4182 this is TOZ`s house brand.

http://theopticzone.com/detail.aspx?ID=4162 at Grafs and son this scope is $499.99


Good luck.

Pthfndr
07-22-2007, 9:36 PM
clear as day until you go past 14x then you just get mirage and starts looking very cloudy!

Hi temps and a wind can cause bad mirage even in the very best scopes. In fact, if the conditions are bad enough, you will have mirage with the naked eye.

Don't expect that spending money will fix your perceived problem.

DIG
07-23-2007, 9:25 PM
Anyone suggest a good long range scope for a 308?
I've had a few mediocre scopes that really piss me off, clear as day until you go past 14x then you just get mirage and starts looking very cloudy!

Thannks

I like my nightforce nxs :cool:
shop around on the internet. I got mine from some place in Montana. can't remember the name of the place.

Pthfndr
07-23-2007, 10:23 PM
I would also suggest you give Mike Cecil at CS Gunworks a call. He's located in Elk Grove (near Sacramento). Mike is a long range shooter and distributor for some high end optics like USO, Schmidt and Bender, Nightforce. He also sells Nikon, Leupold, Bushnell. He's extremely knowledgeable about what works and what doesn't, what's a good value for the $$ and what isn't.

His customer service is second to none. He made me a really good deal on a Nightforce NXS and today I picked up a Leupold Mk4 MR/T M2. He also occasionally gets trade in scopes when people upgrade that can be had for a good price.

http://www.csgunworks.com/
(916) 670-1103
Toll Free: (877) 288-4137

xenophobe
07-23-2007, 10:32 PM
If you need something greater than 10x, then the Leupold MK4 4.5-14 series can be had for $900 (but under $1k) depending on model.

I think 4.5-14 is about the best magnification range you can have ... I really like the LR/T, but they used to have (discontinued) a 1" tube VX-III Tactical with target turrets and adjustable objective that was my favorite.

Unregistered
07-23-2007, 10:50 PM
14x isn't good enough to go out to 1000 yards is it?

Pthfndr
07-23-2007, 11:51 PM
14x isn't good enough to go out to 1000 yards is it?

I've used a 4x to shoot silhouette targets out to 1000 yards. The magnification only lets you see a finer point of aim. It's the clarity of the optic that really makes the difference. 10x is more than enough to reliably hit torso size targets at 1000 yards.

Bench resters use much higher (25x-35x) because they are trying to shoot tiny groups. They also shoot mainly in the early morning when there is little if any mirage, and very little wind.

ocabj
07-23-2007, 11:55 PM
If High Power shooters are still using iron sights for 1000 yards, 14x is more than enough.

xenophobe
07-24-2007, 10:22 AM
14x is plenty for anything, and overkill for many things...

WokMaster1
07-24-2007, 12:40 PM
If High Power shooters are still using iron sights for 1000 yards, 14x is more than enough.

Got any pictures of the "tiny groups"? I'm so curious as to how you all do it with iron sights. It's like taking out the hind leg of a fly at 100 yards..... Yes, I have much to learn, master ocabj:D

rksimple
07-24-2007, 1:02 PM
Got any pictures of the "tiny groups"? I'm so curious as to how you all do it with iron sights. It's like taking out the hind leg of a fly at 100 yards..... Yes, I have much to learn, master ocabj:D

Palma guys use open sights and shoot tiny groups all the time. The only difference is they shoot at bigger targets. Its not like trying to hit a half size IPSC target at 800 yards. With open sights, you probably wouldn't even be able to see it. But with the targets the highpower and palma guys use, they shoot tiny groups regularly.