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chowchilla
11-05-2012, 5:56 PM
I have an AR-15 and been thinking about converting the bolt to a .22, now the question I have is should I get the the bolt carrier for my AR or should I just get a .22 AR rifle????? I'm a bit new to all of this so please point me in the right direction. If I got bolt carrier what brand and if I got rifle what brand??? Thanks!!!!

IrishPirate
11-05-2012, 6:03 PM
buy a complete .22lr upper

roushstage2
11-05-2012, 6:13 PM
I went back and forth many times and ended up getting an M&P 15-22. Couldn't be happier! Got the whole rifle for $100-$150 less than a complete .22LR upper. This thread is going to end up with half saying get an upper and the other half saying get a dedicated rifle. Your call.

dls
11-05-2012, 6:16 PM
I thought about a .22 bolt myself, but I believe the .22 really needs a 1/16 twist or something like that...?
I think i'll wait and buy an upper,or complete rifle if I find the right deal.

joker70
11-05-2012, 6:31 PM
Since you already have an 5.56 AR you can get a 22lr upper for $400.

http://www.cmmginc.com/category_s/1553.htm

tanakasan
11-05-2012, 7:07 PM
I thought about a .22 bolt myself, but I believe the .22 really needs a 1/16 twist or something like that...?
I think i'll wait and buy an upper,or complete rifle if I find the right deal.

Yes, 1/16 twist for 22LR vs 1/7, 1/8 etc for .223.

I looked at S&W 15/22 but decided on a CMMG upper since it uses (mostly) standard AR lower and parts.

Robert

Hughes500Pilot
11-05-2012, 8:14 PM
I went with the Tactical Solutions 22LR upper. I like the "standard" AR look. Its got a 1/16 barrel and uses a standard upper receiver. I swapped out the A3 receiver for an A2 receiver because I wanted a carry handle (that is usable). -Steve

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4151/img2943bi.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/406/img2943bi.jpg/)

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/8344/img2961m.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/img2961m.jpg/)

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/8986/img2949wi.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/109/img2949wi.jpg/)

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/4170/img2958ud.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/705/img2958ud.jpg/)

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6362/img2962lr.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/12/img2962lr.jpg/)

shadow65
11-06-2012, 2:50 AM
It comes down to what accuracy you want.
A conversion will give you 2-3" at 50 yards depending on barrel twist and ammo combo. And the POI will be different from your 5.56.
A dedicated upper will give you 1" at 50 yards with your sights already set for .22. Just pull two pins and install the complete .22 upper on your existing lower. Same trigger you are used to.
I recommend the CMMG with stainless bolt.
Dave N

AR22
11-06-2012, 3:57 AM
Go with the complete CMMG upper and as Dave said spend the extra money and get the Stainless Bolt assembly. You will really like it.

redcliff
11-06-2012, 3:57 AM
I went back and forth many times and ended up getting an M&P 15-22. Couldn't be happier! Got the whole rifle for $100-$150 less than a complete .22LR upper. This thread is going to end up with half saying get an upper and the other half saying get a dedicated rifle. Your call.

I went with the M&P 15-22 also, the MOE version; having dealt with AR15 conversions since the 80's in .22 and 9mm I appreciate the convenience of having a seperate complete rifle. I"m very impressed with the quality of it and I like it's light weight and adjustable carbine stock for teaching the grand kids to shoot with.

The War Wagon
11-06-2012, 4:10 AM
Build a DEDICATED .22LR AR. It's much more fun and functional. :cool:

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/The_War_Wagon/100_7624.jpg
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/The_War_Wagon/100_7631.jpg

Tactical Solutions dedicated upper, with all the heft, weight, and controls of a REAL AR, modded out as per most of my 5.56 AR's - so the carryover value is of a real benefit.

PLUS... the best set of spare parts, is another rifle. Should it all go to crap, and one of my other lowers breaks down, I pop the 2 upper pins, swap on a 5.56 upper, and I'm GTG! :D

Got my TacSol upper from Addax, btw! :cool:

CSACANNONEER
11-06-2012, 4:16 AM
I have 2 dedicated .22 uppers, a CZ and a Bushmaster. Both were bought used for $300 or less with extra mags and crap. Just find a used upper and enjoy.

40SWGlock
11-06-2012, 4:48 AM
I have the M&P 15-22 MOE currently in jail. Decided to get a whole new riffle.

RuskieShooter
11-06-2012, 8:44 AM
My 2 cents...

Stay away from the conversions. Barrel twist will be wrong, I think aim needs to be adjusted when switching between .22 and .223, and I have heard cycling can be "iffy".

Why would you buy a dedicated upper when for around the same price you can buy a complete rifle? I know uppers are easy switch out, but I would rather have a complete rifle that I can "grab an go". Also, if something goes wrong with the lower (rare, I know) now you have two rifles out of action.

Regarding the M&P 15-22 (I have one), everyone arguing against it complains that it's too light. I'm still not clear why a heavier .22 is a better .22. Heavier rifles may be better for bench shooting larger calibers (greater mass "absorbs" more of the recoil) and its sitting on a bench. I don't think .22lr has a great enough recoil where you would worry about it and if you are going to lug the rifle anywhere at all I would prefer lighter.

BTW, manual of arms for a 15-22 is identical to an AR and standard AR parts (trigger, pistol grip, mil-spec sized buffer tube) will fit it; the only difference is the "buffer tube" is non-removable and the barrel/fore grip is proprietary (although there is an adapter that will allow you to use a standard AR fore grip).

-Ruskie

onegtalon
11-06-2012, 9:48 AM
I went with the conversion at first. Found out that it was shooting all over the place at 10 yards! It was horrible and thanks to Brownell's return policy they took it back. (Service rep said that due to tollerance stack up of the round/barrel dia/twist rate it could key-hole at 10 yards, which is what mine was doing).

After that I bought a CMMG dedicated upper for under $400 and couldn't be happier. Since then I built another lower for my AR and used my old lower for the dedicated 22.

chowchilla
11-07-2012, 7:17 PM
thanks for everybody input, but I like the whole grab and go, plus I have 2 boy 12 and 4.... the complete .22 will be perfect for them to shoot as I will not have to tie up my own AR......... SO what company do you guys like?? I'm not looking for something cheap.... but something I can shoot thousands of rounds through and past down....

roushstage2
11-07-2012, 11:35 PM
If you want a ready to go .22LR AR, go with the M&P 15-22. It looks and functions like a real AR and accepts most standard AR parts. The others might look like one, but don't function like one and I don't believe they have the same parts compatibility either.

RuskieShooter
11-08-2012, 8:56 AM
S&W M&P 15-22 has the same manual of arms as an AR and breaks down identically for cleaning (2 pins, separate the upper and lower, and pull the BCG).

It also accepts AR triggers, pistol grips, and has a mil-spec sized buffer tube.

Its as close as you can get to an AR without buying an AR.

-Ruskie

AR22
11-08-2012, 1:09 PM
Buy the dedicated upper and assemble a real AR lower for it later on if you wish. You can put together a Lower very cheaply if you shop around and possibly scrounge used parts. The first CMMG dedicated complete rifle we put together cost us a total of 505.00 dollars,that was with the Parkerized bolt so would have been a little more to get the stainless at first and that was a mistake not to. Live and learn I guess. Hardly much more to have the CMMG than the price of the SW. worth every bit of the extra to have the CMMG.

We used a complete dedicated upper from CMMG,though we purchased it from a retailer,it was cheaper that way. The lower was assembled using a real AR15 Aero Precision lower and some used parts. The SW is a plastic Firearm,may not bother some but I guarentee my CMMGs will be around for generations to come, highly doubt the SW will have that sort of longevity. I considered the MP22 very seriously before someone told me about the CMMG uppers that use standard AR parts and are made of aluminum. It was a no brainer from there on. Plastic Proprietary rifle from SW that just looks like an AR15 or a "real" AR15 with a CMMG upper that just happens to shoot .22 rimfire? You can swap the barrel and change the bolt on a CMMG and it will shoot 5.56. Try that with a MP22. Cannot be done. In other words they are nothing like a real AR15 other than looks. Your decision, but spend the money to do it right in the first place in my opinion if financially possible. If a little more money spent is a problem than you will have to settle for less..

gunnlover
11-08-2012, 2:55 PM
MP 15-22