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USMCM16A2
10-31-2012, 1:52 PM
Guys,


Would like to do some coyote hunting around Lake Hughes area, in the Angeles Forest, used to be an old map available. Can you guys help out? Thanks, A2

DirtyDave
10-31-2012, 1:59 PM
I think it was last updated in like 1994 haha. I had it saved somewhere, I'll take a look.

USMCM16A2
10-31-2012, 2:03 PM
Dave,


Thanks for looking it up, I see you on other forums. Your avatar scares me, but great advice always dispensed by you. :D :D :D A2

spectr17
10-31-2012, 10:15 PM
THat LA COunty map is way out of date and the county fish and game commission told us years ago not to use it. Check with the local sheriff or http://www.firearmsmaps.com/

5shot
10-31-2012, 10:39 PM
Your going to have to check with the sheriff's office in the area your going to hunt, or look up the current LA Co. Shooting Ordnance.
The last shooting maps LA Co. printed are long out dated, so the thousands they have in storage will never be released. I've personally discussed this with the chairman of the LACo Fish & Game Commission, and they have no intention to spend the money to update their Shooting Map in the foreseeable future.
A private vendor approached them with his version of the map, but they found that the boundaries were not surveyed, and inaccurate. So they do not endorse as accurate any maps that are currently in print.

Nahuatl
11-10-2012, 4:32 AM
If you've got a copy of the old map, at least you've got something. The old map is available at PredatorWild.com in the downloads/Regulations and Ordinances. After a cursory examination, the commercial map has the same shoot/no-shoot boundaries and it doesn't include the blue/development zones. Do NOT call the sheriff. They know nothing about shooting zones.

If you live there at Lake Hughes you already know it isn't good ground for coyotes. There are way too many houses around that tiny lake. The ridge is OK, but the road is crap.

5shot
11-10-2012, 5:12 PM
The old LACo map is available here: http://www.scvquwf.com/LA%20Co.%20Closure%20Maps.htm

Preditorwild.com requires you to be a member with a certain number of posts to download anything there.

Just remember, the map is 18 years old, and a lot of open areas have been turned into housing tracts and commercial areas since then.

Nahuatl
11-11-2012, 4:40 AM
John, why not post the link in the first place? And you know damned good and well that no one driving a telephone at the Sheriff's office has a clue about the complex boundaries of the the shoot/no shoot areas. FUD. That doesn't happen at Heath's site.

If I tried to correct all the disinformation in this section of CG, I'd be here twice a day.

5shot
11-11-2012, 11:20 AM
John, why not post the link in the first place? And you know damned good and well that no one driving a telephone at the Sheriff's office has a clue about the complex boundaries of the the shoot/no shoot areas. FUD. That doesn't happen at Heath's site.

If I tried to correct all the disinformation in this section of CG, I'd be here twice a day.

I tried to follow your suggestion, and get the link from the site you furnished. But like I said, you have to first join the site, which I did. Then you have to rack up so many posts before they allow you to download anything. So I went looking for another site for the download. That's when I posted the link here that everyone can use. I don't personally need it, because I have some of the old maps.
As to the Sheriff's knowing what areas you can shoot in or not, who do you think is going to stop you in the field? Showing them a print out of a 18 year old map is not going to convince them that you are right, and they are wrong. You basically need a copy of the LACo shooting ordnance with the legal descriptions of the areas you want to hunt/shoot at. Shooting maps are just picture illustrations of the legal boundaries set down by county ordnance. They need to be updated as the legal boundaries change.
The actual up to date county ordnance is available online for anyone who searches. Regretfully, you also have to be familiar with township boundaries and plot maps used by assessors/tax collectors to fully understand the boundaries. That's why a up to date map is so important. But that's not going to happen in LA Co. First off they (L.A. Co. Fish & Game Commission) were told that if they reissued a new shooting map, people would go out and shoot in those areas. And then there was a possibility of the county being liable for accidents, damage, injuries, etc. The commission was also given a extremely high cost estimate from the county for surveying and map printing costs. Which the commission is not willing to pay for.

flyingspur
10-23-2013, 3:12 PM
Good information. I wish there is a new map for LA county.

glockman19
10-23-2013, 3:23 PM
You should have no problem hunting game in D11 between Castaic and Lake Hughes.

Go to the DFG site and download the hinting zones.

Nahuatl
10-23-2013, 5:53 PM
Following Bishop's instructions, you will just piss off the Sheriff. He has never been stopped by the Sheriff in LA County on a shooting investigation, that much is perfectly clear.

You figure it out whether you'd rather try to follow the map or the description.

The map:
http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n440/PMonster/shootmapgrab.jpg

13.66.260 District No. 13--Saugus-Newhall-Soledad area.
District No. 13, Saugus-Newhall-Soledad area, includes all that part of the unincorporated territory of the county of Los Angeles within the following described boundaries:
Beginning at a point where Interstate Highway No. 5 (Golden State Freeway) crosses the Southern Pacific Railroad, near the Santa Clara River; thence southerly and southeasterly along Interstate Highway No. 5 to the intersection with the boundary of the city of Los Angeles, as same existed on May 20, 1994; thence northeasterly along said boundary and following the same in all its various courses to its first intersection with the boundary of the Angeles National Forest, as same existed on said date; thence northerly along said last-mentioned boundary and following the same in all its various courses to the southwest corner of Section 31, Township 4 North, Range 14 West, S.B.M.; thence easterly along section line to the north-south quarter section line of said last-mentioned section; thence northerly along quarter section lines to the north line of Section 19, said last-mentioned township and range; thence easterly along said boundary of Angeles National Forest and following the same in all its various courses to the north-south quarter section line of Section 10, said last-mentioned township and range, said corner being approximately one-fourth mile east of Alpine; thence northerly along quarter section line to Agua Dulce Canyon Road; thence generally northerly along Agua Dulce Canyon Road to Interstate Highway No. 14 (Antelope Valley Freeway); thence generally northeasterly along said Interstate Highway No. 14 to its intersection with the west line of Section 2, said township and range; thence northerly along said last-mentioned section line to the southwest corner of Section 35, Township 5 North, Range 14 West, S.B.M.; thence northerly along section lines to the west quarter section corner of Section 26, said last-mentioned township and range; thence easterly along quarter section line to the east line of said last-mentioned section; thence southerly along section lines to said Interstate Highway No. 14; thence generally northeasterly along said Interstate Highway No. 14 to the north line of Section 30, Township 5 North, Range 13 West, S.B.M.; thence westerly along section lines to the east line of the west half of the west half of Section 24, said last-mentioned township and range; thence northerly along said last-mentioned east line to the east-west quarter section line of said last-mentioned section; thence westerly along said quarter section line to the west line of said last-mentioned section; thence northerly along section line to the northeast corner of Section 23, said last-mentioned township and range; thence westerly along section line to northwest corner of said Section 23; thence southerly along section line to the north line of the south half of the northeast quarter of Section 22, said last-mentioned township and range; thence westerly along said last-mentioned north line to the north-south quarter section line of said last-mentioned section; thence southerly along said last-mentioned quarter section line to its intersection with Davenport Road; thence generally westerly along Davenport Road to the boundary of the Angeles National Forest, at the intersection of Davenport Road and Sierra Highway; thence generally westerly along said last-mentioned boundary and following the same in all its various courses to the intersection with Dry Canyon Road, at the southerly end of Dry Canyon Reservoir; thence generally southerly along Dry Canyon Road to Seco Canyon Road; thence southerly along Seco Canyon Road to said Southern Pacific Railroad; thence westerly along the Southern Pacific Railroad to the point of beginning. (Ord. 94-0048 § 3, 1994: Ord. 10958 § 1 (part), 1974: Ord. 10051 § 1 (part), 1970: Ord. 7381 § 1 (part), 1958: Ord. 1769 Art. 1 § 113, 1929.)

13.66.300 District No. 17--Val Verde-Bouquet Canyon area.
District No. 17, Val Verde-Bouquet Canyon area, includes all that part of the unincorporated territory of the county of Los Angeles within the following described boundaries:
A. Beginning at the northeast corner of Section 23, Township 5 North, Range 17 West, S.B.M.; thence southerly along section line to the southeast corner of said section; thence easterly along section line to the northeast corner of Section 25, said township and range; thence southerly along range line to the southeast corner of said last-mentioned section; thence easterly along section line to the north-south quarter section line of Section 31, Township 5 North, Range 16 West, S.B.M.; thence southerly along said north-south quarter section line to the southwest corner of the northwest quarter of the northwest quarter of the northeast quarter of said section; thence easterly along the south line of the northwest quarter of the northwest quarter of said northeast quarter to the west line of the east half of the northwest quarter of said northeast quarter; thence southerly along said west line to the south line of the north half of said northeast quarter; thence easterly along said last mentioned south line to the west line of the southeast quarter of said northeast quarter; thence southerly along said last mentioned west line to the east-west quarter section line of said last mentioned section; thence easterly along said east-west quarter section line to the east line of said last mentioned section; thence southerly along said east line to the boundary of Rancho San Francisco as shown on map recorded in Book 1, pages 521 and 522, of Patents, in the office of the recorder of the county of Los Angeles; thence easterly along said boundary to San Francisquito Canyon Road; thence southeasterly along San Francisquito Canyon Road and following the same in all its various courses and curves to its first intersection with the boundary of the city of Santa Clarita, as same existed on April 4, 1994; thence southwesterly along said last-mentioned boundary and following the same in all its various courses and curves to the Golden State Freeway; thence southwesterly at right angles with said Golden State Freeway to The Old Road; thence southeasterly along The Old Road to its intersection with State Highway No. 126 (formerly Saugus and Ventura Road); thence westerly along said State Highway No. 126 to Chiquito Canyon Road; thence northerly along said Chiquito Canyon Road to said boundary of Rancho San Francisco; thence westerly along said last-mentioned boundary to the east line of Section 20, Township 4 North, Range 17 West, S.B.M.; thence northerly along section lines to the southeast corner of Section 8, said last-mentioned township and range; thence westerly along section line to the north-south quarter section line of said last-mentioned section; thence northerly along said north-south quarter section line to San Martinez Road; thence northwesterly along San Martinez Road to the north line of said Section 8; thence northwesterly in a direct line to the intersection of the west line of fractional Section 31, Township 5 North, Range 17 West, S.B.M. and that certain truck trail known as Lechler Fire Truck Trail; thence northeasterly along Lechler Fire Truck Trail and following the same in all its various courses to the west line of Section 33, said last-mentioned township and range; thence northerly along section lines to the northwest corner of Section 28, said last-mentioned township and range; thence easterly along section lines to the southwest corner of said above-mentioned Section 23; thence northerly and easterly along the west and north lines of said last-mentioned section to the point of beginning.
B. Excepting therefrom any area included within any other district described in this Chapter 13.66. (Ord. 97-0045 § 1, 1997: Ord. 94-0048 § 4, 1994: Ord. 12089 § 1, 1980: Ord. 10051 § 1 (part), 1970: Ord. 1769 Art. 1 § 117, 1929.)

13.66.310 District No. 18--Three Point area.
District No. 18, Three Point area, includes all that part of the unincorporated territory of the county of Los Angeles within the following described boundaries:
Beginning at the northeast corner of Section 9, Township 8 North, Range 16 West, S.B.M.; thence southerly along section lines to the southeast corner of Section 16, said township and range; thence westerly along section line (Avenue D) to the southwest corner of said Section 16; thence southerly along section line to the southeast corner of Section 20, said township and range; thence easterly along section line to the northeast corner of Section 29, said township and range; thence southerly along section line to the southeast corner of Section 32, said township and range; thence easterly along township line to the northeast corner of Section 3, Township 7 North, Range 16 West, S.B.M.; thence southerly along section line to the southeast corner of said Section 3; thence westerly along section lines to the southwest corner of Section 4, said last-mentioned township and range; thence northerly along section line to the southeast corner of Section 5, said last-mentioned township and range; thence westerly along section line to the southeast corner of Section 6, said last-mentioned township and range; thence northerly and westerly along the east and north lines of the southeast quarter of said last-mentioned section to the southeast corner of the southwest quarter of the southeast quarter of the northeast quarter of said last-mentioned section; thence northerly and westerly along the east and north lines of the southwest quarter of the southeast quarter of the northeast quarter of said last-mentioned section to the east line of the west half of the northeast quarter of said last-mentioned section; thence northerly along said last-mentioned east line to the north line of the south 30 acres of the west half of the northeast quarter of said last-mentioned section; thence westerly along said last-mentioned north line to the north-south quarter section line of said last-mentioned section; thence southerly along said north-south quarter section line to the north line of the south half of the southeast quarter of the northwest quarter of said last-mentioned section; thence westerly along said last-mentioned north line to the west line of the southeast quarter of the northwest quarter of said last-mentioned section; thence northerly along said last-mentioned west line to the north line of Lot 9 of said last-mentioned section; thence westerly along said last-mentioned north line to the west line of said last-mentioned section; thence northerly along range line to the northwest corner of Section 31, said Township 8 North, Range 16 West; thence easterly along section line to the southwest corner of Section 29, said last-mentioned township and range; thence northerly along section lines to the northwest corner of said Section 17; thence easterly along section line to the point of beginning. (Ord. 94-0048 § 5, 1994: Ord. 10958 § 1 (part), 1974: Ord. 10365 § 1, 1971: Ord. 1769 Art. 1 § 118, 1929.)