Why does California get the wacko laws?

[Scarecrow Repair]

A sodden thought occurred to me ... maybe California gets the wacko laws because so many people want to live here. I bet CA would be near the top of desirable states. We certainly have the population growth for it. Maybe it's the pressure of people who moved here and got their piece of the pie trying to slam the door shut so others can't mess up what they have, and that means intrusive controlling laws period, not just anti-gun and other generally busybody laws.

Might explain NYC too. The nutty laws there are city laws, right, not state? (Can anyone who has lived there confirm or deny?) And SF ... great places to live if you can afford them and want that city life.

Well, just an idea. Not sure what use it is, even if a little bit correct.

[chris]

it could be true. but the hippies of the 60's are running the show and screwing us all. they are part of the very establishment the opposed in their youth. this state is just screwed up anyway.

[Scarecrow Repair]

they are part of the very establishment the opposed in their youth.

That's my point. They got theirs, now they want to stop everybody else from getting any. It's not guns specifically, it's just control freakery -- when they don't have what they want, they whine and kick until they get it, then when someone else wants something, they whine and kick to stop them.

[1911su16b870]

IMO CA has wacko laws because we elect wacko politicians. Think about being paid to go to the capitol and now you have to justify your existence by thinking up and passing some sort of wacko law? What about a politician going to Sacramento and getting rid of wacko laws? Our election districts are rigged so that very rarely does a side flip, so where's the accountability? :rant:

[dfletcher]

I'm not certain the population of CA is increasing - unless you factor in illegal aliens and birth of children in CA to illegal aliens. I may be mistaken, but I believe if you exclude those persons the CA population is static or decreasing slightly. I visit NV, AZ & OR & those states are increasingly populated by former CA residents - and they don't like it.

I'm sure books could be written on the subject, but I'll throw I'll throw out a few:

1) Self supporting individuals are leaving the state only to be replaced by
individuals who see the state as their provider or caretaker. The more
power the state has the better they like it, so they tend to vote for
representatives who seek to increase the power of the state - because
the state can then take better care of them.
2) Democrats are in charge of the state legislature and regardless of spin,
Democrats in CA do not like guns - during the Prop H SF gun ban the
official position of the CA Democratic Party was to support the ban.
3) Gun owners don't vote as though gun ownership is the most important
issue. I'm not talking about the little old lady with a 32 H & R in her
nightstand, I mean people who regularly shoot and own more than one
gun. I ran into alot of gun owners in SF who did not bother to vote
against Prop H.
4) Since it is apportioned by population, San Francisco and Los Angeles
send alot of anti gun (read Democrat) representatives to the legislature. And it may be that
big city Democrats act more in concert than representatives from the less populated rural
areas.

I think the bottom line on alot of this is that for whatever reason, the Democrats are heavily represented in our legislature and that is not to our advantage.

[luvtolean]

I've been in Cali all but a couple years of my life. The population density sure the hell is increasing.

I've seen BIG changes in the last five years in the Bay Area. Up north in the more rural areas, it's even more apparent. The places I shot and rode dirtbikes are now McRanches.

CA has crazy laws due to population density. Look at the majority of the population dense spots in the country, and then look at the laws.

[Anthonysmanifesto]

just going to throw out some ideas for discussion;

1) Generational , the flower children are in charge now. Their chance to try out their ideolgy...

2) full time/term limited legislature: need to show you "did something", while you are in office...

3) the rise of the public employees: nearly all remaining union members are public employees, they want to keep government big...

4) increasing population, decreasing resources: the fight over resources is eternal

5) demographic shift: have the children educated in public schools that are voting age now have been taught a different set of values and expectations fo government than past generations, who are retiring out of state?

5a) California has alwys been a salad bowl , but with so many native born people leaving the state and being replaced byy non native persons, the society is becoming more complex, more heterogenous than say a generation or two before...

6) Ballot Measures: the fourth branch of government: Special interests no longer need to influence Legislators, they can just run an initiave and get 50+1 of the people who bother to show up on election day to alter our Constitution.

[Librarian]

California population is definitely going up. See this link (http://www.dof.ca.gov/HTML/DEMOGRAP/ReportsPapers/Estimates/E4/E4-01-06/HistE-4.asp) for detail. 1/1/06, 37,195,240; 1/1/07, 37,662,518, up about half a million.

Also, a report available at the same site says
In Census 2000, 15.7 million California residents aged five years and over reported changing their place of residence between 1995 and 2000. About an equal number of residents reported staying in the same house.

Depending on their previous place of residence, the movers can be divided into four major groups: those who moved within the same county (62 percent), to a different county within California (20 percent), from a different state (9 percent), and from a different country (9 percent). Approximately 2.2 million Californians migrated out of California to other states, compared to 1.4 million who moved to California form other states and 1.4 million who moved to California from other countries.

2.2 million out, 2.8 million in.

[NoTime2Shoot]

You know why there are so many crazy people by the ocean?











They can't go any further.

[CCWFacts]

California gets wacky gun laws due to a combination of simple reasons:

1. Guns are inherently scary and dangerous
2. Guns are used in a large portion of serious violent crime in this country
3. Guns are portrayed as having mystical evil powers in TV and movies
4. Most urban Californians have never touched a gun before in their lives, and so going by facts 1-3, they aren't pro-gun-rights.

It's that simple.

1-3 are things we can't do anything about. Guns really are dangerous and suitable for use in crime, and Hollywood exaggerates everything as part of their story-telling. But 4 is something we can change, and when people get hands-on experience, they add some new facts to their knowledge base:

1. Guns are dangerous, but can be used safely, with proper training
2. Guns are used in violent crimes, but are used more often defensively, and can make us safer
3. Real guns don't have the mythical evil powers that Hollywood guns seem to have

Teach non-shooters how to shoot! Make liberals and Democrats feel welcome in the gun community!

[luvtolean]

Teach non-shooters how to shoot! Make liberals and Democrats feel welcome in the gun community!

Don't try and sell that story here, most refuse to listen.

[Scarecrow Repair]

California gets wacky gun laws due to a combination of simple reasons:

1. Guns are inherently scary and dangerous
2. Guns are used in a large portion of serious violent crime in this country
3. Guns are portrayed as having mystical evil powers in TV and movies
4. Most urban Californians have never touched a gun before in their lives, and so going by facts 1-3, they aren't pro-gun-rights.

It's that simple.

No it isn't. None of those are unique to California.

[gazzavc]

Make liberals and Democrats feel welcome in the gun community!


Yep, have them hold up the targets..........:D:D