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shalang
10-28-2012, 5:18 PM
My next gun is going to be a 22lr. I really want the Ruger (due to accessories) but the Marlin is almost $70 cheaper when on sale at Big 5. I also want to change the stock and the only one that I find appealing for the 10/22 is the Marauder but that is about $150. Too expensive.

So here's the question. What are the easiest airsoft's to convert to the 22lr? I've seen Defcons work and it is pretty cool, which makes me want to go with the Marline 795. I saw a full metal CYMA MP5 on craigslist for $40. Would these be relatively easy or doI need to do some dremel?

I haven't seen much work aside from Defcon's and most of his pictures don't show the internals.

defcon
10-28-2012, 10:37 PM
just gotta commit to do something different aside from the aftermarket parts out there

pick a favorite model and ill let you know if a 10/22 will fit in. the Marlin 795 and Marlin 60 would be your best choice since the width of the receiver is 1 inch and will fit a lot of airsoft stocks. the 10/22 is 1.25 inches wide and it wont fit most airsoft stocks. also the 795 and 60 has a higher trigger housing versus the 10/22 so you may have to factor in creating a extended trigger depending on the stock.

the 10/22 will fit HK SL8, XM8, Barrett M82, M14 EBR, M249 SAW, Beretta Storm, P90, AUG, FS2000,

M14 EBR, M249 SAW, SL8 would be easiest.

pick one and ill show you internals. dont be afraid to ask me questions. i can help guide you to your first conversion.

go to www.customrifles.info there's a bunch of other guys that did these conversions 7 years ago before i even knew about these methods.

shalang
10-29-2012, 4:28 PM
Hello Defcon,

Thank you for offering your words of advice and for being willing to help me. I have seen your works on various websites and it is amazing what you are able to do with the stocks and some dremel.

The guns you listed are pretty cool. However, I really had my eyes set on an MP5. I looked on the website that you provided and saw you mention in one thread that you were gonna work on a GSG-522. Did you ever get that done? If not, have you constructed any guns that are similar to an MP5?

Chaos47
10-29-2012, 4:51 PM
defcon is the expert on this stuff but my 2 cents would be that a MP5 could be hard to get to look right because of the federal limits of 16" barrels unless the airsoft body has a fake can the real barrel can go down or you get a threaded barrel and use a barrel shroud.
http://www.kineti-tech.com/barrel-shrouds/

Also always remember the federal limit of 26" over all length. (In CA measured from the most compact fire-able configuration) So depending on the MP5 model you may have to "pin" or fix the stock.

That being said both are great rifles. The Marlin 795 being my favorite.

JackRydden224
10-29-2012, 5:11 PM
If you want a MP5 in the .22 then I really recommend that you get the GSG or HK-Umarex. You will get more accessories and support from factory. If anything goes wrong you have a place to turn to. It only costs a bit more but it takes all the work out of you.

I think Big5 has the GSG for $339.

shalang
10-29-2012, 5:27 PM
I just saw that today! Would you guys consider that a good deal? Has anyone shot it?

EDIT: Read some stuff on the forums and seems like the quality may not be that great. $500 is too much for the A5 for me atm.

defcon
10-29-2012, 6:08 PM
reason why i didnt use a marlin 795 or a 60 with the MP5 is because it wont fit in the receiver. there's one guy that did put a 795 in the solid butt stock of the MP5 and cut out an ejection port.

i was planning to buy the HK .22LR MP5 to save me the trouble.

defcon
10-29-2012, 6:09 PM
im doing a HK UMP conversion using a Marlin 60 with a fake suppressor on it.

Izzy43
10-29-2012, 6:11 PM
Defcon has made some very interesting rifles. The upside is that you get to do the work and have some pride in the finished product. The worst that can happen is you put the action back in the original stock and go shooting. Were it me I would pick the 795. Less expensive and they seem to be a little more accurate out of the box than the 10/22, at least from what I have read. Don't have either rifle but I do have a Marlin 60 and its an unmodified, accurate little semi-auto.

Maybe that's why Marlin has sold over 11 Million Model 60s. The 795 is a 60 with a removable magazine instead of a tubular magazine.

zvardan
10-30-2012, 6:30 AM
Is there an m1 carbine stock for the 795?

defcon
10-30-2012, 8:22 AM
Is there an m1 carbine stock for the 795?

nope. i havent seen one made.

defcon
10-30-2012, 8:23 AM
Defcon has made some very interesting rifles. The upside is that you get to do the work and have some pride in the finished product. The worst that can happen is you put the action back in the original stock and go shooting. Were it me I would pick the 795.

Bingo. If you mess up or dont like it, just go back to OEM. At least you tried but hopefully you're willing to try again after you put in some practice into it.

shalang
10-30-2012, 8:31 AM
Defcon,

Are there any mods that you have done that would be around the size of an MP5? I'm trying to make a gun that will be able to be held by women as well. While your guns are sweet, I think they might be too big for the chicks hehe.

I also want to work with a smaller body to match with the 22lr round/recoil.

defcon
10-30-2012, 8:38 AM
Defcon,

Are there any mods that you have done that would be around the size of an MP5? I'm trying to make a gun that will be able to be held by women as well. While your guns are sweet, I think they might be too big for the chicks hehe.

I also want to work with a smaller body to match with the 22lr round/recoil.

a HK UMP with a Marlin 60 inside. i should be done with this conversion within 2 weeks. i put a 795 in it before but i didnt like digging for the magazine/bolt release so im going to redo it with a 60.

the HK SL8 or G36 also will work fine with women. my wife shot the HK SL8 version and she said it was really light.

check out the Archangel Nomad G36 for the 10/22. no need for modifications.

zvardan
10-30-2012, 8:39 AM
hmm.

Next question, is there an airsoft stock, similar to the boyd tacticool stock, that will work for the 795?

Or anything similar?

defcon
10-30-2012, 8:42 AM
hmm.

Next question, is there an airsoft stock, similar to the boyd tacticool stock, that will work for the 795?

Or anything similar?

best way is to buy that boyd tacticool stock and dremel the inside to make your 795 drop right in

thats what i did with the Archangel Sparta and M1A stocks and dremeled those out to make a 10/22 fit.

zvardan
10-30-2012, 9:31 AM
Any idea which tacticool stock would be the closest fit?

defcon
10-30-2012, 9:33 AM
Any idea which tacticool stock would be the closest fit?

what do you mean? which stocks are you referring to?

ive never seen or handle a boyds tacticool stock in person. if it fits the 10/22 then youre going to have to bed it with epoxy putty to make the 795 fit in that boyd stock.

shalang
10-30-2012, 9:36 AM
Thanks defcon.

I have seen the G36 but it still breaks my budget a bit since the 10/22 is also $70 higher than the Marlin 795.

I've been looking for affordable yet durable airsoft that might fit the job. Is there a way to tell if the gun will fit or not? I currently saw this Ak-47 Full Metal.

http://www.amazon.com/JG-Airsoft-Gearbox-Rifle--Tactical/dp/B005CX5YQU/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1351614808&sr=1-1&keywords=ak-47+full+metal

Think that would work?

defcon
10-30-2012, 9:45 AM
ya think the Marlin 795 will fit the AK47.

here's my 10/22 inside of a AK47.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8446/7990847980_83f97de77f_o.jpg

i also have a Draganov SVD full metal that i paid under $100. i can test fit the Marlin 60 tonight.

shalang
11-01-2012, 9:07 AM
I actually found a pretty cheap DBoys/Kalash AK-74M Full Metal AEG Rifle w/ Tactical Folding Rear Stock. It's not functional so it is half off the original price.

This should work, right? If so, I will purchase it today. Here are some stock pictures:

http://s7.postimage.org/7u71gm1or/rk_05_4.jpg
http://s17.postimage.org/qaus8nh8f/Products2434_500x333_95757.jpg

defcon
11-01-2012, 9:18 AM
I actually found a pretty cheap DBoys/Kalash AK-74M Full Metal AEG Rifle w/ Tactical Folding Rear Stock. It's not functional so it is half off the original price.

This should work, right? If so, I will purchase it today. Here are some stock pictures:

http://s7.postimage.org/7u71gm1or/rk_05_4.jpg
http://s17.postimage.org/qaus8nh8f/Products2434_500x333_95757.jpg

which .22 are you going to drop in? use the Marlin 795 or Marlin 60 with this. NOT a 10/22.

your overall length should be 26 inches minimum. so if its folded and it doesnt meet the required 26 inches, you will need to pin that stock so its unfoldable.

btw im finishing up a UMP conversion using a Marlin 60. its bad ***. look out for my thread tonight.

shalang
11-01-2012, 9:22 AM
Thanks defcon! I am going to go pick it up and post pictures when I get it! I do intend to use the 795 on it. Based on your experience, will this require a lot of labor? I read your thread on the AK-47 with the 10/22 and you seemed to have put in a good amount of time. Not that I mind, but just want a rough guess.

Also, I should be able to use the stocks magazine too, correct? I saw that you used JB Weld on yours.

As far as the length is concerned, thanks for the heads up but I dislike tactical stocks myself and will indeed pin it.

What part in CA are you in btw? SC?

defcon
11-01-2012, 9:31 AM
since youre dealing with a full metal receiver, it may take awhile to make your cuts. take your time and think about what youre going to cut. fit and refit and look for things that are blocking the action from dropping in.

youre going to have a problem with the pistol grip. normally the pistol grip is screwed to the gearbox/battery so youre going to have to use strips of aluminum or lexan plexiglass. drill holes in them and holes into the pistol grip. then bolt it to the sides of the receiver. this is pretty common with all my conversions where the pistol grip has no where to connect to.

everything is going to look ugly at first. buy some high temp flat black spray paint used for engine blocks for repaint

what tools do you have? milling machine would be best. would be nice if you have a table vice grip, angle grinder, dremel, filer, power drill, JB weld, epoxy steel putty, extended screws/nut to go through the buffer in the action.

angle grinder is the quickest way to cut your receiver. go to harbor freight and you can buy one for like $14.

buy some 20-24 gauge sheet metal or aluminum if you need to create brackets. just cut them with a shear scissor and drill holes in them and connect it to the receiver. this will provide some support or help bridge the action.

you can also fabricate a bracket using devcon steel epoxy putty. i did this with my 10/22 M14 EBR conversion to create a bracket for my action screw under the barrel. i have a video on it. just push the putty into the void, let it cure, drill a hole and screw the action screw in.

the 10/22 was harder to work with using the AK47 because i had to cut out the left wall of the receiver in order to slide the 10/22 action/barrel through it. also i was using a Saiga AK47 quad rail and had to cut into the receiver so i can bolt it on to make it sturdy. the AK47 top cover doesnt snap into anything like the real version so i had to drill holes into the top cover and bolt that to the Saiga top rail.

the only time i used JB weld is on the 10/22 rotary magazines. ive never used JB weld on a Marlin 795 magazine yet.

ya los angeles/SFV

shalang
11-01-2012, 9:39 AM
Thx for the advice.

I don't have any of the tools you mentioned (except vice). Can I get away with just the dremel and a power drill or are all those tools necessary? Maybe I can look on craigslist to rent someones equipment.

BTW, I sent you a PM. Hope it is useful!

defcon
11-01-2012, 9:46 AM
dremel, power drill and vice are fine. i didnt have a lot of the tools to begin with so it was a bit frustrating because it just took longer to cut metal. plastic is easy.

harborfreight and craigslist are good.

defcon
11-01-2012, 9:53 AM
dont forget safety. get some glass, gloves, mask, etc

shalang
11-01-2012, 7:17 PM
Thx for all your tips. Luckily I found a friend who has most of those tools and has experience using them. It should be at my doorstep tomorrow. I wanted to pick it up in person but they said I couldn't. Waste of 7 dollars!

I'll take a picture once it comes. Hopefully the external parts are in tact. I'd hate it if I opened it and I can't use it.

If you don't mind, I'll have lots of questions when I start the project :)

shalang
11-05-2012, 8:02 PM
Well it came in! I have a couple more days to pick up the 795. Here are some pictures and I have many questions.

How did you secure the grip? The grip is secured to the gearbox and with that gone, I'm lost at how to put it together.

The top portion of the body is secured via a button that is held on

The barrel was secured to the body with roll pins that went through the base of the iron sights. Similarly, the handguard also secured the barrel in place. In the last picture, you can see all of those pieces. In your case, what did you do with them? How did you fit the pieces on the 10/22 barrel since there are roll pins that secure them to the barrel?

Also, how do I incorporate the safety since it was screwed into the gearbox?

I'm trying to figure out how I'm gonna fit the whole gun in such a small space.

Here's step-by-step takedown with pictures in case you want an idea of how the parts fit:
http://www.airsoft-barracks.com/forums/topic/4704-complete-vfcdboys-aks-74-takedown-guide/

http://s12.postimage.org/rq8hdcxrd/20121105_194445.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/rq8hdcxrd/)

http://s12.postimage.org/5fkmde0h5/20121105_194504.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/5fkmde0h5/)

http://s12.postimage.org/bj26xaqqx/20121105_194529.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/bj26xaqqx/)

http://s12.postimage.org/vrpkj0q21/20121105_194538.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/vrpkj0q21/)

http://s12.postimage.org/6zpybs8vd/20121105_194550.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/6zpybs8vd/)

http://s12.postimage.org/ba4m7ddyh/20121105_194600.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/ba4m7ddyh/)

http://s12.postimage.org/kvy6no549/20121105_194909.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/kvy6no549/)

defcon
11-05-2012, 9:04 PM
Well it came in! I have a couple more days to pick up the 795. Here are some pictures and I have many questions.

How did you secure the grip? The grip is secured to the gearbox and with that gone, I'm lost at how to put it together.

Pics of the grip?
Here's how you fabricate brackets for your grip that attaches to the AK receiver
1) Buy 4 extended screws and nuts.
2) Buy lexan plexiglass from home depot or lowes.
3) Cut out 2 rectangular strips.
4) Drill 2 holes on each strip
5) Drill 1 hole on each side of the AK receiver
6) Bolt the grip to the AK receiver with those brackets
7) Use JB Weld as a filler and let it cure

The top portion of the body is secured via a button that is held on

The barrel was secured to the body with roll pins that went through the base of the iron sights. Similarly, the handguard also secured the barrel in place. I can't get two pieces (one being the iron sights) off the barrel as the barrel is constructed in such a way that it will only slide between two points. Should I just saw off the barrel to get those pieces off and put them on the 795?

I need to see the pics or a video of the 795 barrel sliding through that AK barrel. You might not need the barrel because it may not fit over the 795 barrel. Wait til you get 795 before you saw it off.

In the last picture, you can see all of those pieces. In your case, what did you do with them? How did you take off and fit the pieces on the 10/22 barrel since there are roll pins such as the gas tube?

I did not use the gas tube because it wouldnt fit on the 10/22. I doubt it would fit on the 795 unless you cut half of that ring on the gas tube and permanently JB weld it to your 795 barrel. I used a Saiga 12 quad rail that's bolted to the AK top cover and the AK receiver

Also, how do I incorporate the safety since it was screwed into the gearbox?

It depends on how high the 795 trigger housing sits. If it sits below the AK receiver, then you still have access to your safety. If it sits high, then you have to drill a hole into the AK receiver and add an extension that screws into the safety on both sides. You'd have to find a nylon spacer from your hardware store and use that as the extension.

I'm trying to figure out how I'm gonna fit the whole gun in such a small space.

The Marlin 795 is a small gun compared to the 10/22 which is a good thing. You will have times where you will be frustrated because youre blocked. You need to walk away and think about it, or visit www.customrifles.info, and ask me. This is where you can get your creative juices flowing. You will also spend a lot of time at the hardware store just thinking of how to fabricate extensions, brackets, spacers, pillars, etc.

Here's step-by-step takedown with pictures in case you want an idea of how the parts fit:
http://www.airsoft-barracks.com/forums/topic/4704-complete-vfcdboys-aks-74-takedown-guide/

http://s12.postimage.org/rq8hdcxrd/20121105_194445.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/rq8hdcxrd/)

http://s12.postimage.org/5fkmde0h5/20121105_194504.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/5fkmde0h5/)

http://s12.postimage.org/bj26xaqqx/20121105_194529.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/bj26xaqqx/)

http://s12.postimage.org/vrpkj0q21/20121105_194538.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/vrpkj0q21/)

http://s12.postimage.org/6zpybs8vd/20121105_194550.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/6zpybs8vd/)

http://s12.postimage.org/ba4m7ddyh/20121105_194600.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/ba4m7ddyh/)

http://s12.postimage.org/kvy6no549/20121105_194909.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/kvy6no549/)

good start. read my answers in red. i will do a quick video on the AK receiver that i have for my 10/22 and ill explain what i did and how i did it.

im also currently working on a full metal M60 that fits a Marlin 60.

set up a youtube account and video record your question by showing it to me. feel free to set it to private or public. this will give me a visual idea of how to work your 795 into the AK receiver.

shalang
11-05-2012, 9:07 PM
Thanks for your response. I guess I will wait until the actual gun arrives, then ask you questions.

I was able to take the pieces off. Just wiggled here and there and they came off. I have all the parts saved just in case.

When the Marlin arrives I will join the forum.

I can only imagine an M60 shooting 22lrs :P

defcon
11-05-2012, 9:10 PM
Thanks for your response. I guess I will wait until the actual gun arrives, then ask you questions.

I was able to take the pieces off. Just wiggled here and there and they came off. I have all the parts saved just in case.

When the Marlin arrives I will join the forum.

I can only imagine an M60 shooting 22lrs :P


give me about 20-30 minutes right now. ill go record the AK and the M60 videos.

defcon
11-05-2012, 9:47 PM
loading.........

defcon
11-05-2012, 9:50 PM
these are the steel clamps that im talking about if you want to re-use your gas tube. cut the bottom half off the gas tube ring, lay it over the barrel, then use this clamp

http://ww1.prweb.com/prfiles/2012/08/29/9848290/stainless-steel-clamps.jpg

defcon
11-05-2012, 10:09 PM
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Bluesami
11-05-2012, 10:19 PM
Any reason I couldn't do this with a 702 plinkster. Since that's what I already have. O yea and a classic army G36?

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defcon
11-05-2012, 10:22 PM
Any reason I couldn't do this with a 702 plinkster. Since that's what I already have. O yea and a classic army G36?

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you sure can. its been done before. someone on www.customrifles.info has a thread on it

defcon
11-05-2012, 10:24 PM
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Bluesami
11-05-2012, 10:30 PM
you sure can. its been done before. someone on www.customrifles.info has a thread on it

Awesome I'll report back when I complete it!!

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shalang
11-06-2012, 9:19 AM
That video was really helpful. Makes the project seem a lot more feasible. I may just have to cut off the sides then.


I have some new pictures.

Everything put together:
http://s17.postimage.org/4ilexq0jz/20121106_083941.jpg

From top:
http://s17.postimage.org/r8kjqpjrj/20121106_084012.jpg

As you can see, the top is kept in place by a push button. The push button was connected to a spring rod that was in turn connected on the ejection port. Since the port's gone, I have no idea how to mount the top. I saw yo screwed yours, but I have no place to screw this one.

http://s17.postimage.org/kje0aoyfj/20121106_084032.jpg
http://s17.postimage.org/vx54zmybz/20121106_084552.jpg

The handguard connects to the frame and does not connect to the iron sights or the gas tube at all.

http://s17.postimage.org/s3ga486dr/20121106_084953.jpg
http://postimage.org/image/6ib7gm9mz/

Iron Sights and Gas Tube connected:
http://s17.postimage.org/rk6lh7plb/20121106_084756.jpg

Holding the Gas Tube and Handguard together. I'm thinking of perhaps putting that steel clamp to hold them together.
http://s17.postimage.org/7hwwykzf3/20121106_084604.jpg
http://s17.postimage.org/t4gitcndb/20121106_084950.jpg

Gas tube
http://s17.postimage.org/60bgn0uof/20121106_084818.jpg

Continued on next page...

shalang
11-06-2012, 9:19 AM
Iron Sight. Doesn't connect to anything but just slides on top of the frame.

http://s17.postimage.org/iz8ocaq1b/20121106_083935.jpg

There is a notch that is there for the gas tube to fit snug.
http://s17.postimage.org/sazbmzryn/20121106_084802.jpg
http://s17.postimage.org/cvvp64p5b/20121106_084612.jpg
http://s17.postimage.org/54ez7kkzz/20121106_084746.jpg

Trying to think of the best way to tackle this atm. I stayed up thinking about it last night hehe.

shalang
11-06-2012, 9:28 AM
Fixed the links on page 1

defcon
11-06-2012, 9:35 AM
yea youll have some sleepless nights just thinking about solutions on how to retrofit it.

whats the width of the AK internal receiver? can you measure it? if its over 1 inch, then you probably dont need to cut the left side wall out.

when do you get the 795 in?

shalang
11-06-2012, 9:36 AM
It's about an inch. Hopefully it fits!

795 comes in next Wednesday :(

I'm thinking the quad rails might be the only solution for the cover.

defcon
11-06-2012, 9:41 AM
It's about an inch. Hopefully it fits!

795 comes in next Wednesday :(

I'm thinking the quad rails might be the only solution for the cover.

look up Saiga on evike.com for the quad rails

it should fit if its an inch. otherwise you may need to trip some of the internals to make it fit.

shalang
11-06-2012, 6:28 PM
Was looking at the stock on where to cut and noticed a problem. Since it is a foldable, there is an added metal piece for the stock to latch onto and it's relatively big. I don't think I can cut the side off or else it would damage the folding stock functionality.

I thought about the left side but then saw that the trigger guard is bolted to the bottom of both sides. If I were to cut off the side, it would still be connected to the trigger guard and not come off.

Since this is the Marlin, do you think it might be small enough to just slip through from the top?

Is it possible to take off the barrel? This might have to be an option to get it through the receiver on the front due to the sights on the barrel.

defcon
11-06-2012, 7:13 PM
Was looking at the stock on where to cut and noticed a problem. Since it is a foldable, there is an added metal piece for the stock to latch onto and it's relatively big. I don't think I can cut the side off or else it would damage the folding stock functionality.

I thought about the left side but then saw that the trigger guard is bolted to the bottom of both sides. If I were to cut off the side, it would still be connected to the trigger guard and not come off.

Since this is the Marlin, do you think it might be small enough to just slip through from the top?

Is it possible to take off the barrel? This might have to be an option to get it through the receiver on the front due to the sights on the barrel.

good pick up. you may/may not need to cut until you do test fitting. so at least you can make that decision if its blocking the 795 from sliding in. i think the 795 is slim enough to slide from the top or the bottom. you can always take out the action then slide it from the top and then reconnect the action.

which barrel are you planning to take off? 795 or the AK barrel?

oh ya. i got rid of my iron sights on my 795 which made it easier for me to work with. i had no plans to use it because i was going to use a red dot. thats a sacrifice you might have to make

shalang
11-06-2012, 7:39 PM
good pick up. you may/may not need to cut until you do test fitting. so at least you can make that decision if its blocking the 795 from sliding in. i think the 795 is slim enough to slide from the top or the bottom. you can always take out the action then slide it from the top and then reconnect the action.

which barrel are you planning to take off? 795 or the AK barrel?

oh ya. i got rid of my iron sights on my 795 which made it easier for me to work with. i had no plans to use it because i was going to use a red dot. thats a sacrifice you might have to make

I can't from the bottom because the trigger guard is bolted to the frame. That's why I can't cut off the sides because the entire frame is connected to the trigger guard on both sides. Hopefully it can slip through from the top...

I meant if I could take off the barrel from the 795 by separating it from the action so that I can put the barrel in through the front of the receiver and meet it with the action already on the inside.

Does JB weld work between metal and plastic? If so, m planning on using it so that I can JB weld the iron sights to the hand guard and then the hand guard to the receiver. I also plan on JB welding the small thin piece of metal that lines up to the receiver. Is the epoxy strong enough to hold it?

defcon
11-06-2012, 9:07 PM
I can't from the bottom because the trigger guard is bolted to the frame. That's why I can't cut off the sides because the entire frame is connected to the trigger guard on both sides. Hopefully it can slip through from the top...

I meant if I could take off the barrel from the 795 by separating it from the action so that I can put the barrel in through the front of the receiver and meet it with the action already on the inside.

Does JB weld work between metal and plastic? If so, m planning on using it so that I can JB weld the iron sights to the hand guard and then the hand guard to the receiver. I also plan on JB welding the small thin piece of metal that lines up to the receiver. Is the epoxy strong enough to hold it?

for my SVD conversion using the Marlin 60 i can unscrew the trigger guard. i reused it by bending it and redrilling a new hole. worse case scenario is you chop off your trigger and see if you can reuse it.

are you willing to chop of the trigger guard on your 795 to retain that AK trigger guard?

the AK mag release will be useless since i assume you will be JB welding the 795 magazine to the AK magazine?

yea JB weld will work with metal and plastic. just sand the area good enough so it has some teeth to grab onto the epoxy. yes make sure you get the JB weld red and black tubes. dont get the JB Kwik. when you use JB weld, make sure its a full day of curing.

JB weld can easily be sanded, drilled or dremeled off just in case you over do it

shalang
11-07-2012, 10:34 AM
for my SVD conversion using the Marlin 60 i can unscrew the trigger guard. i reused it by bending it and redrilling a new hole. worse case scenario is you chop off your trigger and see if you can reuse it.

are you willing to chop of the trigger guard on your 795 to retain that AK trigger guard?

the AK mag release will be useless since i assume you will be JB welding the 795 magazine to the AK magazine?

yea JB weld will work with metal and plastic. just sand the area good enough so it has some teeth to grab onto the epoxy. yes make sure you get the JB weld red and black tubes. dont get the JB Kwik. when you use JB weld, make sure its a full day of curing.

JB weld can easily be sanded, drilled or dremeled off just in case you over do it

I talked it over with my friend. Seems like his friend even has welding supplies! We might just end up welding some of the pieces together.

I just recalled that the trigger guard can be used from the Marlin.

Is it possible to disconnect the barrel from the action so I can slide the barrel in through the front?

defcon
11-07-2012, 10:43 AM
I talked it over with my friend. Seems like his friend even has welding supplies! We might just end up welding some of the pieces together.

I just recalled that the trigger guard can be used from the Marlin.

Is it possible to disconnect the barrel from the action so I can slide the barrel in through the front?

put a magnet on the receiver and check if its aluminum or not. its probably just pot metal which may/may not be weldable. it'll likely just melt which will mess up your receiver.

i havent tried disconnecting the barrel off my 60/795. im sure you can but dont know how hard or easy it is to do.

i did take the barrel off my 10/22 and it was difficult to take off. i had to use a heat gun to the barrel to make it work

shalang
11-08-2012, 3:43 AM
So if the magnet sticks then welding should be ok?

defcon
11-08-2012, 8:06 AM
So if the magnet sticks then welding should be ok?

if the magnet sticks, its metal which is weldable to only other metal.

you cant weld metal to pot metal. you cant weld metal to aluminium.

if its aluminium, you can weld it to another aluminum using different wires.

not sure if you can weld pot metal though.

alternatives are to use JB weld or just create bolts/brackets to bond two things together

shalang
11-11-2012, 6:35 PM
Will be picking up the guns in two days! Sadly just saw that they discounted it by 10 dollars but its fine...just hope it doesn't go any lower for Black Friday :P

I want to try and avoid drilling if possible. I believe your AK-47 is similar to construction like my own (and the real thing). The receiver cover is held down by the rear recoil spring guide. The spring end is secured by the ejection port. The guide is held in place by the gearbox. I'm thinking of buying a 3/32 metal rod and inserting it into the rear guide, buy a long spring, and use JBWeld SteelStik epoxy and mold it underneath the rear sight. Once dry, I plan to drill a 3/32 hole into it and put the spring end of the rear guide into it. That way, I can keep the cover in place without having to screw it down. Only problem is how I would secure the rear guide down and not have it suspended in the air. Do you think it would be fine if I just left it like that?

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I forgot to mentions that two parts came broken. The handguard Latch on the rear sight and a piece of the lower handguard. Both pieces are thin. Since the handguard latch is made out of metal, should I use JB weld on it? The lower handguard appears to be ABS. Should I use a different epoxy for that? I need both parts fixed so I can disassemble them when needed. If I JBWeld everything it will all be permanent.

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Any recommendations?

Lexington-1
11-11-2012, 8:24 PM
If you live near an Airsoft shop. Ask them if they have any parts in their Bone Yard pile. These are leftover parts after a gun has been modified.

If you're looking specifically for airsoft AK Parts I have plenty in my own bone yard. You shoot me an email and let me know what you want. With an exception for a few part I'll give you most of them for the cost of shipping.

Rider1k
11-11-2012, 9:10 PM
I grew up with a 795. Never had a problem with it. Very accurate. Never had any issues. Even shot shorts with it."single". Always killed the quail and squirrels I shot at. I miss that rifle. I now have a 10/22 and I will gladly say the same for it. I have ran 1000's of rounds thru it and never a issue. No shorts in the Ruger as of yet, but heck , I don't even know if you can get'em anymore.

surplus-addict
11-11-2012, 9:12 PM
I grew up with a 795. Never had a problem with it. Very accurate. Never had any issues. Even shot shorts with it."single". Always killed the quail and squirrels I shot at. I miss that rifle. I now have a 10/22 and I will gladly say the same for it. I have ran 1000's of rounds thru it and never a issue. No shorts in the Ruger as of yet, but heck , I don't even know if you can get'em anymore.

Shorts are quite popular actually. They are about $30 for a brick instead of $20 for LR.

shalang
11-11-2012, 11:11 PM
If you live near an Airsoft shop. Ask them if they have any parts in their Bone Yard pile. These are leftover parts after a gun has been modified.

If you're looking specifically for airsoft AK Parts I have plenty in my own bone yard. You shoot me an email and let me know what you want. With an exception for a few part I'll give you most of them for the cost of shipping.

Thanks for the offer Lexington! The AK I bought was actually from the boneyard at airsoftmegastore.com The AK itself is the DBoys AK-74u Full Metal AEG. Sadly they don't allow visits as it is only a warehouse.

The only two parts that are broken are the tip of the handguard and the handguard latch on the rear sight. Do you happen to have an extra of either the handguard or the rear sight for this model? The parts should interchangeable with the VFC since it is a clone.

jlangleyrn
02-06-2013, 4:11 PM
I was curious if you every got this project finished? I have a Marlin 60 that I am about to do the same thing with, except I am swapping it out with a M4 airsoft rifle.

defcon
02-06-2013, 4:22 PM
I was curious if you every got this project finished? I have a Marlin 60 that I am about to do the same thing with, except I am swapping it out with a M4 airsoft rifle.

Marlin 60 wont fit in an M4 airsoft rifle. M4 receiver is too narrow for the Marlin 60 action to go in.

your best bet is to use a SCAR or ACR. ive done it

jlangleyrn
02-06-2013, 4:35 PM
Marlin 60 wont fit in an M4 airsoft rifle. M4 receiver is too narrow for the Marlin 60 action to go in.

your best bet is to use a SCAR or ACR. ive done it

Thanks for the heads up. I like the SCAR that I saw you used; it has a very smooth look and doesn't look like it was an extreme makeover. When you find your airsoft rifles, do you see any difference between the ones that have the electric, spring or gas powered internals? One last question for now: I have seen some of these that are full metal and some that are composite, which is your preference? I have seen a lot of these guns that you have swapped out, so I trust your experience. This will be my first swap and I am looking forward to spending some time and doing this correct.
Thanks

defcon
02-06-2013, 5:41 PM
Thanks for the heads up. I like the SCAR that I saw you used; it has a very smooth look and doesn't look like it was an extreme makeover. When you find your airsoft rifles, do you see any difference between the ones that have the electric, spring or gas powered internals? One last question for now: I have seen some of these that are full metal and some that are composite, which is your preference? I have seen a lot of these guns that you have swapped out, so I trust your experience. This will be my first swap and I am looking forward to spending some time and doing this correct.
Thanks

the ACR is easier than the SCAR. SCAR requires more dremel work and fabrication. one of the main issue is how youre going to mate the upper and lower receiver.

the ones that i get are electric. usually the spring versions come in cheap plastic externals. try to find used or broken ones for your conversion. gas are a waste but usually are brand name and slightly higher quality in plastic. the electric ones are the median and you can get them for $100 or less if you look hard enough.

i always look for full metal. the SCAR that i have has a metal upper and a plastic lower. the ACR is plastic all around.

btw the Marlin 60 also fits the UMP, Dragunov SVD, TAR21, M60E4, M249 SAW, M14 EBR

jlangleyrn
02-06-2013, 6:46 PM
the ACR is easier than the SCAR. SCAR requires more dremel work and fabrication. one of the main issue is how youre going to mate the upper and lower receiver.

the ones that i get are electric. usually the spring versions come in cheap plastic externals. try to find used or broken ones for your conversion. gas are a waste but usually are brand name and slightly higher quality in plastic. the electric ones are the median and you can get them for $100 or less if you look hard enough.

i always look for full metal. the SCAR that i have has a metal upper and a plastic lower. the ACR is plastic all around.

btw the Marlin 60 also fits the UMP, Dragunov SVD, TAR21, M60E4, M249 SAW, M14 EBR

THANK YOU very much for that information. That is exactly what I was looking for and opens my options up. I will have to figure out which one of those is the most interesting to me. I will likely pick your brain as I get into this project and I definitely appreciate you sharing your knowledge and experience.

defcon
02-06-2013, 7:19 PM
i have over 30 different stocks with different .22 actions inside. your Marlin 60 will fit in any airsoft stock except for the AR15/M4 and MP5 receivers. if you really want to make it work, then you need a solid butt stock for the M4 or MP5, put the action in the butt stock and create a trigger linkage. essentially it will be a bullpup which is more work and harder to do.

jlangleyrn
02-13-2013, 5:20 AM
i have over 30 different stocks with different .22 actions inside. your Marlin 60 will fit in any airsoft stock except for the AR15/M4 and MP5 receivers. if you really want to make it work, then you need a solid butt stock for the M4 or MP5, put the action in the butt stock and create a trigger linkage. essentially it will be a bullpup which is more work and harder to do.

Quick question for you : I know you have modified for both the ruger 10/22 and the Marlin 60. I found a Ramline stock for a 10/22, with a folding stock; is the receiver smaller on the Marlin or larger ? If its smaller, can I likely cut out the stock for the 10/22 to fit the Marlin? I still haven't given up on converting an airsoft, but this is what seems like a good deal on the ramline and the one's that fit the Marlin are impossible to find. Thanks for any insight.

defcon
02-13-2013, 8:27 AM
Quick question for you : I know you have modified for both the ruger 10/22 and the Marlin 60. I found a Ramline stock for a 10/22, with a folding stock; is the receiver smaller on the Marlin or larger ? If its smaller, can I likely cut out the stock for the 10/22 to fit the Marlin? I still haven't given up on converting an airsoft, but this is what seems like a good deal on the ramline and the one's that fit the Marlin are impossible to find. Thanks for any insight.


the 10/22 action is wider than the Marlin 60. so if you buy that Ramline stock for the 10/22, then youre going to have to use Devcon Epoxy Steel Putty to fill in the gaps in order for the Marlin 60 action to be bedded properly.