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Larker
07-16-2007, 9:50 PM
Pretty much as the topic title implies. Of the rounds I've shot, the .308 Win is my favorite to shoot.

I've fired it from an M700, and an M1.

I'd like to pick up hunting (deer, moose, etc.) in the next year, and I'm going to have some extra spending money come Christmas, so I figured it'd be a good time to buy my first rifle.

Course, I'm not entirely sure which rifle to buy... I'm definitely open to sound, and experienced advice.

I figured for starting out I should start with something that allows me to make a follow up shot or 2, and is in a round I'm comfortable shooting.

Exiledviking
07-16-2007, 9:51 PM
I like the Browning BAR ShorTrac in .308Win.

blkA4alb
07-16-2007, 9:54 PM
Off the top of my head...

M1A, HK G3, FAL, .308 AR (POF makes an offlist receiver.) But if you're looking for something more "hunting like" you can't go wrong with the Remington 700 in .308.

GW
07-16-2007, 9:56 PM
M1A
Its accurate, reliable and with a 5 rd magazine, perfectly legal for hunting
Great iron sights and easily scoped too.

colossians323
07-17-2007, 4:23 AM
M1A
Its accurate, reliable and with a 20 rd magazine, perfectly legal for hunting
Great iron sights and easily scoped too.

I agree, and I corrected it for you.

mstlaurent
07-17-2007, 8:13 AM
Benelli R1 comes in .308, that's the only other one I can think of that is in current production.

toolman9000
07-17-2007, 8:30 AM
If you want sub-MOA accuracy get a HK SL7, and I happen to have one for sale...

shameless plug (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=59816)

-toolman9000

Nordschleife
07-17-2007, 8:45 AM
Definitely a Remington 700, worth the money. I just shot one this past weekend with a Krieger barrel and jewell trigger and....wow.

M1A would be my second choice, FAL third.

t001
07-17-2007, 9:57 AM
While I agree that the Remington M700 is a good rifle, the OP did request for a semi-auto, so that might rule the M700 out. Having said that, you can work that bolt very quickly if fast follow-up shots are the concern.

Steyr_223
07-17-2007, 10:04 AM
Siaga 308.

tiger222
07-17-2007, 10:12 AM
to answer what you are asking for - i'd go benelli R1

however, I think a muzzle loader would be more sporting for hunting...:patriot:

Larker
07-17-2007, 11:12 AM
to answer what you are asking for - i'd go benelli R1

however, I think a muzzle loader would be more sporting for hunting...:patriot:

I'll work on making it more sporting when I become a better shot. In the mean time, I'll patriotically whore the handicap. :gunsmilie:

I'd really like to start out with a semi-auto rifle, and once my marksmanship improves I'll probably move onto an M700. Kinda like learning to ride a bike... Gotta start with the training wheels. =P

I'm a better shot than some of my friends, but far from professional, and this is determined from trigger time at the range, not shooting at moving targets. Only moving targets I've shot at are trap, skeet, and sporting clays, and that was pretty embarrassing...

And thanks everybody for the input!

glockman19
07-17-2007, 11:18 AM
M1A, HK G3, FAL, .308 AR (POF makes an offlist receiver.) But if you're looking for something more "hunting like" you can't go wrong with the Remington 700 in .308.

+1 I have the M1A and the Remington 700. Love them both. The Remington 700 is better for hunting as it is 3.5 lbs lighter and just if not more accurate.

ivanimal
07-17-2007, 11:30 AM
http://www.winchesterguns.com/prodinfo/catalog/images/531008m.jpg

Winchester SRX

http://www.remington.com/images/products/firearms/centerfire/smsil_750.jpg

Remington 750 Woodsmaster

I would Go with the BAR

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms//images/031219m.jpg

but these and the Benelli R1

http://www.benelliusa.com/firearms/images/r1Silos.jpg


Are all available.

Larker
07-17-2007, 2:21 PM
Siaga 308.

I understand that you get what you pay for, but how does this one stack up to the Browning BAR, and the Benelli R1?

I might accept something that's inferior based upon the margin of inferiority in comparison to the price tag...

Keep in mind, the rifle will probably shoot better than I will.

DJDace
07-17-2007, 2:58 PM
I understand that you get what you pay for, but how does this one stack up to the Browning BAR, and the Benelli R1?

I might accept something that's inferior based upon the margin of inferiority in comparison to the price tag...

Keep in mind, the rifle will probably shoot better than I will.

At the distance you will likely be shooting at when hunting deer, a Saiga in .308 would be just fine after you did some aftermarket modifications to customize it to your personal preference (grip, stock, optics, brake etc).

Plus hunting with a black AK-47 is pure badass.

Larker
07-17-2007, 4:25 PM
At the distance you will likely be shooting at when hunting deer, a Saiga in .308 would be just fine after you did some aftermarket modifications to customize it to your personal preference (grip, stock, optics, brake etc).

Plus hunting with a black AK-47 is pure badass.

Ok. I'd probably paint the rifle myself anyway, at least a flat OD, if not something a bit more inconspicuous.

CaliTheKid
07-17-2007, 4:39 PM
IIRC, the bolt can be removed from the Benelli, but not from the BAR. The ability to remove the bolt is a big plus for cleaning. FWIW I have heard nothing but good things about the BAR but do not know anyone with an R1 so I can't comment on user exeperience.

Steyr_223
07-17-2007, 8:02 PM
http://club.guns.ru/eng/sig308.htm
http://www.coolclimbing.com/images/guns/military/Saiga-308.jpg
http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/models/ka186.html
http://www.raacfirearms.com/Saiga_308.htm

Good thread on The Higher Road:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=160461

When you move to Free America or we have a revolution here in Cali, they make good 20 round 308 mags..

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212827

pc_city
07-17-2007, 8:14 PM
Faced with the same choices I got a Benelli R1 first.
http://you-jane.com/images/r1.jpg
and an AR10 (Hesse/Armalite/Noveske.)
http://you-jane.com/images/Hesse_Noveske.jpg
The R1 is light and accurate (likes 150 gr.)
The Ar10 is heavier but much more accurate (likes 175 gr.)
the Benelli rarely comes out of the safe lately.

ivanimal
07-17-2007, 10:55 PM
Ok. I'd probably paint the rifle myself anyway, at least a flat OD, if not something a bit more inconspicuous.

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/images/031329m.jpg

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=002B&cat_id=031&type_id=329

no need the BAR is the bomb!:D

Larker
07-17-2007, 11:22 PM
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/images/031329m.jpg

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=002B&cat_id=031&type_id=329

no need the BAR is the bomb!:D

Realtree is just way too redneck for my tastes...

I already have a can of flat OD krylon paint I used for one of my airsoft rifles. All I need is a can of black, and brown, and some masking tape, and I can make my own subdued tiger stripe pattern. That coupled with a rifle ghillie will kick 10 times more *** than any realtree print.

aplinker
07-18-2007, 10:44 PM
Realtree is just way too redneck for my tastes...

I already have a can of flat OD krylon paint I used for one of my airsoft rifles.

Anyone else think those succession of lines is hilarious?

The BAR is a great rifle. I was impressed. They're just not... "cool." I think they shoot beautifully and I was shocked by how accurate it was.

Go Saiga if you want to save money.

Larker
07-18-2007, 11:46 PM
Anyone else think those succession of lines is hilarious?

The BAR is a great rifle. I was impressed. They're just not... "cool." I think they shoot beautifully and I was shocked by how accurate it was.

Go Saiga if you want to save money.

Leave my other hobbies alone... :rolleyes:

Saving money is a concern, and I understand the BAR is more accurate than the Saiga (you get what you pay for), but I don't think I currently shoot well enough to make use of that improved accuracy.

Which also, I don't really care for the whole Realtree look, and already know how to paint rifles. Besides, I think to buy the rifle with the Realtree pattern already on it is an extra $100 or so? I can paint it for far cheaper than that, and I'd like for it to have that personal touch anyway. People are more impressed by a professional looking paint job you've done yourself than what you've bought.

aplinker
07-19-2007, 1:02 AM
Leave my other hobbies alone... :rolleyes:

Saving money is a concern, and I understand the BAR is more accurate than the Saiga (you get what you pay for), but I don't think I currently shoot well enough to make use of that improved accuracy.

Which also, I don't really care for the whole Realtree look, and already know how to paint rifles. Besides, I think to buy the rifle with the Realtree pattern already on it is an extra $100 or so? I can paint it for far cheaper than that, and I'd like for it to have that personal touch anyway. People are more impressed by a professional looking paint job you've done yourself than what you've bought.

I wasn't mocking your other hobby as much as commenting on your negatively referring to a real tree BAR as redneck, then talking about your airsoft hobby. It's like SCA hobbyists mocking "second lifers".

Yes, but which will the deer you shot be more impressed by? ;)

At the ranges you would want to shoot a deer (<150 yds), you'd be just fine with a Saiga. And they cost about 1/2 the BAR, IIRC. However, I despise AK sights.

randy
07-19-2007, 3:48 AM
Moose = 300 Win Mag

semi auto 300 Win Mag = benelli or a bolt gun.

Before you go off doing your Daniel Boone imitation learn to shoot better. Nothing wrong with hunting great sport but poorly shot animals is very bad.

Larker
07-19-2007, 9:36 AM
Moose = 300 Win Mag

semi auto 300 Win Mag = benelli or a bolt gun.

Before you go off doing your Daniel Boone imitation learn to shoot better. Nothing wrong with hunting great sport but poorly shot animals is very bad.

I intend to. It's not my intention to make critters suffer, but obviously, marksmanship is a skill that will take time and practice for me to develop.

I'm sure I'll learn a thing or 2 at BCT, but I also intend to get plenty of practice on my own.

I've shot the 300 Win Mag before as well. I didn't mind it, but the scope on the rifle I was shooting it out of was less than stellar... So there really wasn't much of a way to get an idea of how well I was shooting. If that's a better round for large game, I'll certainly consider it, and I'll most certainly consider a bolt action as well. I'll have a bit of hoarded money and a bonus, but there's other things I'd like to spend it on as well, y'know?

230grjhp
07-19-2007, 7:31 PM
I've shot an M1A Socom and a Remington 750. The Remington with the longer barrel (22 inches) was, in my opinion, more accurate than the shorter barreled M1A. The nice thing with an M1A though is the availability of aftermarket parts like high capacity magazines. With Remington you're stuck with those 5 round mags which can get pricey.

-hanko
07-19-2007, 7:59 PM
Realtree is just way too redneck for my tastes...

I already have a can of flat OD krylon paint I used for one of my airsoft rifles.
I just love irony:D

If you've not hunted before, I'd suggest selecting your semi auto hunting rifle with weight (loaded with bullets) as a major criteria. I've spent enough all day / all night trips with an fal / garand / m1a to understand you'll fell a lot better carrying a lighter gun.

Actually, the distinct advantage of a good bolt gun is that it's amazingly simple compared to an auto.

If your normal shot will be 100-150 yards, worry about how well you shoot with iron sights before you put a scope on the gun. Scopes sometimes break on hunting trips; that's where iron sights come into plan. Put your scope money into bullets, learn to shoot without sitting down at a table with your guns resting on bags...practice shooting freehand if you're after deer or their larger relatives.

IMO, I'd personally find something a little larger than a .308 for moose, but that's just my opinion.

SAVE your money if you want a moose this winter, get your bucks in for moose tags as soon as they become available. With the effort it sometimes takes to bring home an elk or moose, leaving home with just an auto gun is a bad idea, bring a bolt gun or a 2nd auto as backup. Bring a spare scope (pre-zero'd).

Generally, animals don't particularly prefer Realtree v. flat black v. just-plain-old walnut and blued steel (or ss and synthetic furniture for that matter).;)

-hanko

Larker
07-19-2007, 9:21 PM
I just love irony:D

If you've not hunted before, I'd suggest selecting your semi auto hunting rifle with weight (loaded with bullets) as a major criteria. I've spent enough all day / all night trips with an fal / garand / m1a to understand you'll fell a lot better carrying a lighter gun.

Actually, the distinct advantage of a good bolt gun is that it's amazingly simple compared to an auto.

If your normal shot will be 100-150 yards, worry about how well you shoot with iron sights before you put a scope on the gun. Scopes sometimes break on hunting trips; that's where iron sights come into plan. Put your scope money into bullets, learn to shoot without sitting down at a table with your guns resting on bags...practice shooting freehand if you're after deer or their larger relatives.

IMO, I'd personally find something a little larger than a .308 for moose, but that's just my opinion.

SAVE your money if you want a moose this winter, get your bucks in for moose tags as soon as they become available. With the effort it sometimes takes to bring home an elk or moose, leaving home with just an auto gun is a bad idea, bring a bolt gun or a 2nd auto as backup. Bring a spare scope (pre-zero'd).

Generally, animals don't particularly prefer Realtree v. flat black v. just-plain-old walnut and blued steel (or ss and synthetic furniture for that matter).;)

-hanko

I'm not going out this winter. I probably won't get out until next winter, and even still, that'll depend upon where I'll be deployed. None-the-less, I'd like to at least have my own rifle and pistol so I can get some more trigger time in at the range.

I think I'll focus on a 300 Win Mag bolt action for my first rifle. I'll also take your advice and work with the iron sights first.

Scouter
07-19-2007, 9:47 PM
I think I'll focus on a 300 Win Mag bolt action for my first rifle.

Better start hitting those weights, I hear 300 Win Mag's kick harder than a 12g

Larker
07-19-2007, 9:59 PM
Better start hitting those weights, I hear 300 Win Mag's kick harder than a 12g

I've shot it out of a bolt action before, and it wasn't too bad. But I'll definitely have to work on making the first shot count, and practice trying to get that accurate 2nd shot in a hurry... =/

Scouter
07-19-2007, 10:23 PM
Oh wait ... nevermind - I'm sure most folks will just be shooting it off the bench not using it for hunting. My pops uses it for hunting ... lol ... nuff said.

ar15barrels
07-19-2007, 11:21 PM
I've shot it out of a bolt action before, and it wasn't too bad. But I'll definitely have to work on making the first shot count, and practice trying to get that accurate 2nd shot in a hurry... =/

I would not recommend a 300 winmag as your first hunting gun.
This is WAY too much gun to start with.
It will either be too heavy to carry comfortably all day, or it will be light and kick you so much that you won't want to shoot it enough to become proficient in it's use.

I suggest a good sporter weight 308.

I recently picked up a Remington 788 in 308 for $400.
These were discontinued many years ago because they were more accurate than the 700 and it pissed off the 700 owners to have the "cheap" rifle out-shooting the top-of-the-line 700.

The 788 is a mag fed repeater with detatchable mags.
It's got the locking lugs to the rear of the action so there are no lug raceways in the action.
That makes the action super stiff and that's where it gets it's accuracy.

Of course I will never realize this accuracy potential because I am keeping it stock with it's 18" sporter weight barrel and iron sights.

Just the perfect little field gun if you ask me...:D