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Fatgunman
10-17-2012, 3:30 PM
I have been wondering if I buy the monterman grip will I be Abe to take the bullet button mag lock the hell off my rifle, or will it still be considered too dangerous?

MigNoche
10-17-2012, 3:54 PM
if the pistol grip was the only "evil feature" than you should be fine.

chillincody
10-17-2012, 4:03 PM
I have been wondering if I buy the monterman grip will I be Abe to take the bullet button mag lock the hell off my rifle, or will it still be considered too dangerous?

to be featureless you cant have any "evil features " No pistol grip no threaded barrel no collasable stock no forwars pistol grips Etc .. study the flowcharts and if you have further ?? start a thread in the centerfire rifle forum and ask whats needed to be "featureless" all that must be done BEFORE you remove the maglock im not a expert of featureless rifles but thats how I understand it best of luck

Bobby Ricigliano
10-17-2012, 5:40 PM
If you are thinking of making your rifle featureless, you should read and understand the below link thoroughly.

http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf

fighterpilot562
10-17-2012, 6:45 PM
Welcome

rkt88edmo
10-17-2012, 6:57 PM
Please make sure you thoroughly understand the above linked flowchart before proceeding. Enjoy.

nismobishi
10-17-2012, 7:44 PM
to be featureless you cant have any "evil features " No pistol grip no threaded barrel no collasable stock no forwars pistol grips Etc .. study the flowcharts and if you have further ?? start a thread in the centerfire rifle forum and ask whats needed to be "featureless" all that must be done BEFORE you remove the maglock im not a expert of featureless rifles but thats how I understand it best of luck

Threaded barrel is not a feature.

eville
10-17-2012, 8:18 PM
it might...
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d143/sej275/cgn/IMG_1035.jpg

luchador768
10-17-2012, 8:51 PM
You only need one, and yes provided you follow the flow chart. No flash suppressor, or vertical foregrip for you.

Fate
10-17-2012, 10:00 PM
You only need one, and yes provided you follow the flow chart. No flash suppressor, or vertical foregrip for you.

Magpul AFG is also a problem as are Battlecomp and PWS FSC muzzle devices.

OTOH, a handstop is legal on a featureless. Kydex and other Fin grips are legal as is the Exile Machine grip.

My girl:

http://i48.tinypic.com/nb590.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/iwki2a.jpg

Paul053
10-17-2012, 10:02 PM
What about standard a2 birdcage? Is that deemed a hider?

chillincody
10-17-2012, 10:15 PM
Threaded barrel is not a feature.

My bad I assumed it was :( So no Flash hider but muzzle brakes are ok do they have to be pinned / welded ?

Merc1138
10-17-2012, 10:41 PM
What about standard a2 birdcage? Is that deemed a hider?
The standard a2 flash hider is a flash hider. Can't use it on a featureless build.
My bad I assumed it was :( So no Flash hider but muzzle brakes are ok do they have to be pinned / welded ?
Threaded barrels are fine, only reason to pin/weld a brake or thread protector is to meet the federal 16" minimum barrel length.

strongpoint
10-17-2012, 11:15 PM
My bad I assumed it was :( So no Flash hider but muzzle brakes are ok do they have to be pinned / welded ?

weren't you the one who told the OP to "study the flowcharts"?

Paul053
10-18-2012, 12:01 AM
What about the stock ak74 brake? Was going to turn a ak into a featureless. Does that count as a flash hider?

Chaos47
10-18-2012, 12:42 AM
I'm seeing double! :eek:
Pretty much all of this was covered in OP's other thread..
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=632924

A "non-pistol grip" grip such as the Monster man grip is a good start
But you can not have ANY feature, no not even one.

Penal Code 12276.1.
(a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.


So According to Penal Code 12276.1. (a)
A Featureless Rifle can not have any of the following:
Pistol Grip.
Thumbhole stock.
Folding or telescoping stock.
Grenade launcher or flare launcher.
Flash suppressor.
Forward pistol grip.

Note: Threaded Barrels and Bayonet Lugs are not on the list and are legal.

All the answers you or anyone seeks and more:
https://sites.google.com/site/featurelessrifleguide/

Paul053 The AK74 brake is usually considered minimal risk.
As already answered the A2 Flash hider is obviously a Flash Hider and no go on a featureless.

Legal basis for determining muzzle devices:
https://sites.google.com/site/featurelessrifleguide/legal-background-for-determining-muzzle-devices

List of over 100 devices categorized:
https://sites.google.com/site/featurelessrifleguide/muzzle-devices

chillincody hah I swear we have been over the threaded barrel thing before buddy! ;)
Threaded barrels are fine, no they are not required to be pinned and welded unless the barrel needs to be brought up to 16 inches for Federal law.

In short a Featureless rifle can have a muzzle brake or compensator as long as that device does not in fact function as a flash suppressor or is advertised to suppress flash.

chillincody
10-18-2012, 1:03 AM
weren't you the one who told the OP to "study the flowcharts"?

LOL Yeah I was being lazy You caught me:D

chillincody
10-18-2012, 1:07 AM
I'm seeing double! :eek:
Pretty much all of this was covered in OP's other thread..
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=632924

A "non-pistol grip" grip such as the Monster man grip is a good start
But you can not have ANY feature, no not even one.



All the answers you or anyone seeks and more:
https://sites.google.com/site/featurelessrifleguide/

Paul053 The AK74 brake is usually considered minimal risk.
As already answered the A2 Flash hider is obviously a Flash Hider and no go on a featureless.

Legal basis for determining muzzle devices:
https://sites.google.com/site/featurelessrifleguide/legal-background-for-determining-muzzle-devices

List of over 100 devices categorized:
https://sites.google.com/site/featurelessrifleguide/muzzle-devices

chillincody hah I swear we have been over the threaded barrel thing before buddy! ;)
Threaded barrels are fine, no they are not required to be pinned and welded unless the barrel needs to be brought up to 16 inches for Federal law.

In short a Featureless rifle can have a muzzle brake or compensator as long as that device does not in fact function as a flash suppressor or is advertised to suppress flash.

Yeah WE have been over it before I made a thread once But that was about my AR pistol HAving one figured a featureless rifle would be diffrent,

Chaos47
10-18-2012, 1:55 AM
Pistols and rifles have different rules. Never assume anything about CA law ;)

Fate
10-18-2012, 10:52 AM
Never assume anything about CA law ;)
Ain't that the truth!