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LeftCoastShooter
10-11-2012, 6:02 PM
Greeting from a site n00b!

Granted my search skills aren't the greatest, but I'd like some help with a project: making a stock Mini-14 "tacticalized."

The Tapco STK62160 (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=67) seems like a nice start. The reviews on Amazon are positive and the cost is right; any thoughts here?

But in CA, even I understand a bullet/magazine button is required. The Defense Industries' button (http://www.riflegear.com/p-1061-defense-industries-ruger-mini-14-bullet-button.aspx) is the only one I could find, but I don't know how easy it is for a first-timer to install, if it meets the legal requirements, if there's anything better out there, etc.

Any thoughts or recommendations?

Thanks!

LCS

Mossy Man
10-11-2012, 6:07 PM
Lots of guys just buy replacement magazine releases, and cut them down so you can't depress it without a tool.

If I were going to go "tacticool" with my mini-14 (which will probably never happen, I have an AR for that) I would go with a Sage-style EBR look. Looks awesome, though expensive:

http://sageebr.com/2010/07/07/mini-1430-scarcqb.aspx

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx70/M1AZIP/mini14-1.gif?a=99

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx70/M1AZIP/mini14-3.gif?a=45

Add a barrel strut like an accu-strut or mo-rod, and your rifle is going to look really sweet.

sholling
10-11-2012, 6:16 PM
My recommendation is that you don't make the conversion. You're taking a perfectly functional and practical home defense carbine and castrating it with a bullet button. If you want tactical build or buy an AR15 or an AK47 clone with bullet button but it makes no sense to do that with a Mini-14. Put your money into accessorizing or tuning what you have instead.

LeftCoastShooter
10-11-2012, 6:17 PM
The MINIALCS/CV looks very nice, though I didn't see a price on the site that was linked to.

Mossy Man
10-11-2012, 6:24 PM
My recommendation is that you don't make the conversion. You're taking a perfectly functional and practical home defense carbine and castrating it with a bullet button. If you want tactical build or buy an AR15 or an AK47 clone with bullet button but it makes no sense to do that with a Mini-14. Put your money into accessorizing or tuning what you have instead.

Agreed.

If you have a newer re-tooled heavy tapered barrel model, just buy some factory mags and a sling.

If you have an older one:

Get a barrel strut
Chop the barrel down to 16" and recrown/thread for a muzzle device
Re-torque down your gas block evenly


Theres some things you can do to your featureless Mini-14 to make it look a lot more tacticool, like the aforementioned barrel strut and muzzle device, like a better looking hand-guard and an M1 style rear sight, ulitmak/amiga scout rails, etc.

This right here is one of the coolest-looking featureless tactical mini-14s I've seen:

http://savethegun.wordpress.com/2011/03/07/custom-tactical-mini-14-ranch-rifle-197-series/

http://savethegun.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/img_1760.jpg

3GunFunShooter
10-11-2012, 6:42 PM
As others have posted. Don't do it. I would leave it alone. Put the AccuStrut on it.
Add an Ameranges rail system, extended mag release, trigger job, gas block adjustments and shoot it.
For all information on the Ruger Mini go to www.perfectunion.com, over 150,000 postings on the MINI. It is the source for all things MINI. Don't waste your time on any other web sites. And yes, I do have 2 Mini 14's. One sort of stock, with the above mods, and an
ASI custom.

LeftCoastShooter
10-11-2012, 6:47 PM
My recommendation is that you don't make the conversion. You're taking a perfectly functional and practical home defense carbine and castrating it with a bullet button. If you want tactical build or buy an AR15 or an AK47 clone with bullet button but it makes no sense to do that with a Mini-14. Put your money into accessorizing or tuning what you have instead.I appreciate the advice. However, I use other things for home protection; I don't usually recommend using rifles for routine home protection. As usual, YMMV...;)

The mini was bought years ago, so the only costs associated with making it tacticool are the upgrades; there's also a budget associated with the project. Plus there are plenty of AR and AK tactical rifles out there - and for good reason. A tactical mini is a little different and could make an effective CQB/SHTF weapon.

Re: BBs: I don't fear them. I don't like them, but with enough practice they shouldn't make a shooter that much slower than any other standard reload. Plus, in CA we're already hamstrung by the magazine limitations and I like pistol-grip rifles. Life is full of compromises.

So, given that the project will probably move forward in some manner, I'm still open to [inexpensive] suggestions.

Mossy Man
10-11-2012, 6:52 PM
I appreciate the advice. However, I use other things for home protection; I don't usually recommend using rifles for routine home protection. As usual, YMMV...;)

The mini was bought years ago, so the only costs associated with making it tacticool are the upgrades; there's also a budget associated with the project. Plus there are plenty of AR and AK tactical rifles out there - and for good reason. A tactical mini is a little different and could make an effective CQB/SHTF weapon.

Re: BBs: I don't fear them. I don't like them, but with enough practice they shouldn't make a shooter that much slower than any other standard reload. Plus, in CA we're already hamstrung by the magazine limitations and I like pistol-grip rifles. Life is full of compromises.

So, given that the project will probably move forward in some manner, I'm still open to [inexpensive] suggestions.

If you're dead-set on doing it, this is what I would do on a limited budget:

Accu-strut $100
http://www.accu-strut.com/

chop the barrel down to 16", recrown and thread and add a nice muzzle-device:
$200

Archangel Sparta Stock:
http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/primary/948/948821.jpg
$200

this one on perfectunion looks pretty damn sick
http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/mini-14-mini-30-gallery/87265-archangel-sparta.html

LeftCoastShooter
10-11-2012, 6:58 PM
As others have posted. Don't do it. I would leave it alone. Put the AccuStrut on it.
Add an Ameranges rail system, extended mag release, trigger job, gas block adjustments and shoot it.
For all information on the Ruger Mini go to www.perfectunion.com, over 150,000 postings on the MINI. It is the source for all things MINI. Don't waste your time on any other web sites. And yes, I do have 2 Mini 14's. One sort of stock, with the above mods, and an
ASI custom.PerfectUnion added to my Favorites - thanks for the tip!

LeftCoastShooter
10-11-2012, 7:28 PM
Agreed.

If you have a newer re-tooled heavy tapered barrel model, just buy some factory mags and a sling.

If you have an older one:

Get a barrel strut
Chop the barrel down to 16" and recrown/thread for a muzzle device
Re-torque down your gas block evenly


Theres some things you can do to your featureless Mini-14 to make it look a lot more tacticool, like the aforementioned barrel strut and muzzle device, like a better looking hand-guard and an M1 style rear sight, ulitmak/amiga scout rails, etc.


http://savethegun.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/img_1760.jpgNice rifle - and website!

-hanko
10-11-2012, 8:48 PM
TAPCO tactical? :confused:

Among the Tier 1 operators you've met, who actually uses TAPCO anything?;)

Inquiring minds, etc.

-hanko

prc77
10-11-2012, 9:28 PM
lots of goodies for the mini 14
http://www.ruger-mini-14-firearms.com/mini_14_30_accessories.php

gorenut
10-12-2012, 4:04 PM
Agree with all those that say don't do it. There are other rifles that do it better and will cost less in the process since they already come that way. I like the Mini for what it is and thats why I own one (like them slim and unhindered).

If you're still bent on going that route, I'd have to agree with avoiding the Tapco. Personally, I really didn't like how it felt. Sage EBR or even the Archangel would probably be a better choice.

gun toting monkeyboy
10-12-2012, 4:33 PM
If you're dead-set on doing it, this is what I would do on a limited budget:

Accu-strut $100
http://www.accu-strut.com/

chop the barrel down to 16", recrown and thread and add a nice muzzle-device:
$200

Archangel Sparta Stock:
http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/primary/948/948821.jpg
$200

this one on perfectunion looks pretty damn sick
http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/mini-14-mini-30-gallery/87265-archangel-sparta.html

You know, I was going to go with the "don't modify" crowd, but that sparta stock looks cool. If I didn't already own an AR, I would seriously consider going that route. I would definitely look at the accu-strut regardless of which way you go. That is the one mod that seems to be universally appreciated. My first rifle was a mini-14. I still have it, and I actually use it more now that I can get factory magazines kits to rebuild my crappy after-market ones. And while it is not a tack driver, it is still more than adequate for anything I am likely to use it for.

-Mb

Mossy Man
10-12-2012, 4:55 PM
Just make sure its 30inches if you chop i. A nice flash suppressor would look good.

floorance
10-12-2012, 7:55 PM
The Defense Industries BB is simple and if your local I can do it for you in like 3 min (the tapping that is) If you change your mind just take it off. Visually you wont notice a thing because all you are doing is putting threads in a hole on the trigger guard that already exists. Did someone say tacticool Mini 14? I say go for it. I'm still contemplating switching out my Mini 14 Target or just changing out my barrel

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp178/bauzubau/Troy%20Mini%2014/IMG_7150.jpg

ar15barrels
10-12-2012, 9:03 PM
TAPCO tactical? :confused:

Among the Tier 1 operators you've met, who actually uses TAPCO anything?;)

the very same ones that use mini 14's...

LeftCoastShooter
10-12-2012, 9:09 PM
:rofl2:the very same ones that use mini 14's...

CRTguns
10-12-2012, 9:17 PM
By "tactical" do you mean,

"better suited to its role as a defender or liberty and dealer of justice in a hostile environment."

or do you mean

"place to hang a bunch of gun accessories"

If it's the first one, that's easy.
http://sacguns.com/mini_14_gallery#Next

Squidward
10-12-2012, 10:28 PM
Back to trigger jobs. My trigger is bad, borderline horrible. Who is a reputable, reliable and experienced gunsmith in CA who can do them?

LBDamned
10-15-2012, 2:39 PM
what about the tactical version:

http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/Default.aspx?item=5847-RUG&index=1&mfg=Ruger&mdl=Mini-14&cat=2&type=Rifle&cal=223&fin=&sit=&pid=&inv=

are the only differences (from the ranch) the barrel length and flash suppressor?

gun toting monkeyboy
10-15-2012, 3:10 PM
the very same ones that use mini 14's...

http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab208/gun_toting_monkeyboy/hannibalateam_zps1e22e602.jpg

If you have a problem - If no one else can help - and if you can find them...

bonesurf
10-15-2012, 8:28 PM
Back to trigger jobs. My trigger is bad, borderline horrible. Who is a reputable, reliable and experienced gunsmith in CA who can do them?

You can just mail your trigger group to "gun doc" who will make it like butter

bonesurf
10-15-2012, 8:29 PM
174371

Thinking of getting the barrel cut down. Otherwise I wouldn't change a thing

762.DEFENSE
10-15-2012, 9:05 PM
I recently purchased a Mini-14, and love it. All I've done so far is add on a AMEGA scout rail, a hogue over molded black stock, a GEAR Sector scout light mount, a surefire light, and my aimpoint pro on a LaRue quick detach mount.

Plenty "tacti-cool" for my needs. Wish you luck on your endeavor!

Lugiahua
10-16-2012, 12:14 AM
I appreciate the advice. However, I use other things for home protection; I don't usually recommend using rifles for routine home protection. As usual, YMMV...;)



I wonder...why not?
Is it too long for your residence?

savethegun
10-16-2012, 1:08 AM
Agreed.

If you have a newer re-tooled heavy tapered barrel model, just buy some factory mags and a sling.

If you have an older one:

Get a barrel strut
Chop the barrel down to 16" and recrown/thread for a muzzle device
Re-torque down your gas block evenly


Theres some things you can do to your featureless Mini-14 to make it look a lot more tacticool, like the aforementioned barrel strut and muzzle device, like a better looking hand-guard and an M1 style rear sight, ulitmak/amiga scout rails, etc.

This right here is one of the coolest-looking featureless tactical mini-14s I've seen:

http://savethegun.wordpress.com/2011/03/07/custom-tactical-mini-14-ranch-rifle-197-series/

http://savethegun.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/img_1760.jpg

Well thank you! I tend to agree:D That Mini has never once let me down. I will say, however, that the Accuracy Systems M1 style rear sight is a waste of money. Get the Tech Sight. It's better and $10 less. I'll be switching over soon and I'll take new pictures.

RED VASQUEZ
10-16-2012, 1:22 AM
That Archangel is the only PG stock for the mini that doesn't make me want to yack when I see it.

zod
10-16-2012, 1:37 AM
Here's my Mini 14 Tactical, next to my featureless Romanian M10.....**sh#tty cell phone pic alert**.

174421

Hoop
10-16-2012, 3:35 PM
I would cut the barrel down as short as is possible to comply with 16" overall and leave the rest of it factory. The only advantage to having a mini is that it doesn't have a mag button and if you throw that out the window...having a mini w/bullet button rather than a bullet button AR is retarded.

LBDamned
10-16-2012, 4:14 PM
I would cut the barrel down as short as is possible to comply with 16" overall and leave the rest of it factory. The only advantage to having a mini is that it doesn't have a mag button and if you throw that out the window...having a mini w/bullet button rather than a bullet button AR is retarded.

to this... I asked previously, but didn't get a response...

what about the tactical version:

http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/Default.aspx?item=5847-RUG&index=1&mfg=Ruger&mdl=Mini-14&cat=2&type=Rifle&cal=223&fin=&sit=&pid=&inv=

it already has 16" barrel... the only thing keeping it from compliant are 20 rd mag (easily fixed) and the flash hider... would it be worth removing the flash hider and replace with a compensator/muzzle brake? Or would that even be necessary?

Enfield47
10-16-2012, 5:16 PM
http://www.galleryofguns.com//ProdImageSm/5847-rug.jpg
MSRP: $939.00??? Wow I thought these were in the $700-$800 range!

RoundEye
10-16-2012, 5:19 PM
To me the whole idea of getting a Mini over an AR was to run it featurless with high capacity magazines owned before the ban. to this... I asked previously, but didn't get a response...

what about the tactical version:

http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/Default.aspx?item=5847-RUG&index=1&mfg=Ruger&mdl=Mini-14&cat=2&type=Rifle&cal=223&fin=&sit=&pid=&inv=

it already has 16" barrel... the only thing keeping it from compliant are 20 rd mag (easily fixed) and the flash hider... would it be worth removing the flash hider and replace with a compensator/muzzle brake? Or would that even be necessary?

It's a good option, but to be honest, I've never seen one in a Cali store and I don't know of any out of state stores that would make it Cali compliant before shipping. I'm also sure that not all FFLs would be willing to take delivery of it, but I could be wrong.

LBDamned
10-16-2012, 6:38 PM
To me the whole idea of getting a Mini over an AR was to run it featurless with high capacity magazines owned before the ban.

It's a good option, but to be honest, I've never seen one in a Cali store and I don't know of any out of state stores that would make it Cali compliant before shipping. I'm also sure that not all FFLs would be willing to take delivery of it, but I could be wrong.

I have a out of state dealer that will do minor mods to make compliant... I also have a local 07 FFL that will take as is...

The question is; will any brake work/fit? (I've never dealt with it and don't know if they are all interchangeable) and is it worth it to get the tactical and replace the flash hider? Seems easier than cutting a ranch barrel... or is it even worth dealing with over a ranch?

If the only issue is 20 round mag and flash hider, there's no problem... just need to know what to replace flash hider with...

bonesurf
10-16-2012, 6:47 PM
Mo-reaper

Mossy Man
10-16-2012, 6:52 PM
The flash hider and factory 20-round magazine it comes with prevent the Mini-14 tactical from being sold here.

You might be able to find a place that is willing to transfer it if they replace the FH with a MB and just give you a factory 5 rounder, but it will cost you.

Hoop
10-16-2012, 8:01 PM
it already has 16" barrel... the only thing keeping it from compliant are 20 rd mag (easily fixed) and the flash hider... would it be worth removing the flash hider and replace with a compensator/muzzle brake? Or would that even be necessary?

It would have to be a brake or bare muzzle. Worth it? That's a question for you.

edit: like I said I'd cut the barrel as short as possible and then re-mount some sights and blast away. Maybe a hogue stock and a red dot if i got really bored.I just don't see the mini14 as a platform worth investing more than a couple dollars into.

LBDamned
10-16-2012, 8:53 PM
this post: Misfire,

When I looked into this not too long ago, the dealer that I spoke to said the threads on the muzzle of the tactical minis are not standard thread, so normal AR type muzzle brakes won't fit. Ruger does not make a muzzle brake to fit, only the flash suppressor. The dealer said he wasn't aware of anyone who made a muzzle brake that would fit. For some silly reason, Ruger insists on using proprietary mags, proprietary scope mounts and an odd sized flash suppressor. In my opinion, they would sell a lot more minis if they standardized on all of those parts...

from this thread: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=403753

pretty much answers it... although it's still not real clear if there is a muzzle brake to swap (as discussed in other posts in thread)...

I'll have to check into the muzzle brake options.

Patriot760
01-17-2013, 11:20 PM
I have a mini14 and want to tact it out i think. Ar15s are so expensive right now im looking into all my options. But before i make a leap to the retarded bb, i wanna see a vido of how it works. Anyone got any videos i fan find to view? Also using 30round preban mag , is it legal to use it on a regular stock? Or are they out of the question totally?