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CalGunsNoob
07-10-2007, 1:56 PM
I heard Irvington Arms increased their transfer fees.

ghost
07-10-2007, 1:57 PM
for out of state transfers are now $100.00

PIRATE14
07-10-2007, 1:59 PM
for out of state transfers are now $100.00

Well.......:eek:

leelaw
07-10-2007, 2:00 PM
DROS Storage Fees are now... ONE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS!

jdberger
07-10-2007, 2:12 PM
DROS Storage Fees are now... ONE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS!

ONE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS (Canadian). Doesn't hurt so much and helps to fund that trans-North American Highway........;)

CalGunsNoob
07-10-2007, 2:49 PM
Is Martin running Irvington Arms still?

There fees are now up to $100 out the door for the first long gun and $65 for each additional....yikes.

Some guys will probably go elsewhere with that.

sardaukar
07-10-2007, 3:06 PM
This sucks. I suppose I should have purchased several lowers the first time around. It used to be a $50 transfer fee + DROS, correct?

bwiese
07-10-2007, 3:11 PM
The man has to stay in business. It costs money to do so.

But let's try to drive him out of business so we can introduce one more obstacle besides BATF and DOJ to keep Martin's life interesting...

ar15barrels
07-10-2007, 3:11 PM
Why would there be a transfer fee for outbound shipments?
It should only be the cost of shipping.

It's probably just a way to make money.

Dealer A has lowers for $79 each plus $100 transfer fee.
Net cost to your local dealer for a lower is $179

Dealer B has lowers for $129 plus $15 shipping.
Net cost to your local dealer for a lower is $144

Which company are you going to deal with?
It's really just simple market economics.

Assuming that both dealers are selling the same product and paying the same cost for that product, it's just fancy marketing to charge a lower advertised price and then add "hidden costs" on at the time of sale.

bwiese
07-10-2007, 3:20 PM
Why would there be a transfer fee for outbound shipments? It should only be the cost of shipping.

I don't think anyone said anything about outbound shipments above.

(Nobody really needs an FFL for an outbound shipment to another FFL anyway.)

I think these are just his "FFL service fees" for non-PPT transfers.

sardaukar
07-10-2007, 3:47 PM
The man has to stay in business. It costs money to do so.


True. Never thought about it from his perspective.

Lohse
07-10-2007, 3:57 PM
That $100 transfer fee will deter people from transfering lowers there, but does that also mean they will have more lowers in stock at the store? So this transfer fee will deter people from buying online because it'll be cheaper to buy the lower in the store.

ar15barrels
07-10-2007, 8:12 PM
I don't think anyone said anything about outbound shipments above.

Read this (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=62957) and then put 2 and 2 together.
Anyone wanna bet on who the outbound (un-necessary) FFL is?

xenophobe
07-10-2007, 11:14 PM
When I was working at SJGE we charged $50 per firearm to be shipped out. Why? Because we had to log the guns in, and then back out, as well as package and ship the items.

The time it takes for us to do something that you can do yourself will be charged for.

If you think that's bad, try shipping something through the UPS Store. :p

leelaw
07-10-2007, 11:36 PM
Hmm.. Except for handguns (and AWs and .50BMGs), you'll save money shipping it yourself.

Dealer-to-dealer transfers are still $75 including DROS at my place.

kantstudien
07-11-2007, 12:46 AM
Shipping guns is a pain in the ***, so $100 might be a deterrent.

wheelgunner
07-11-2007, 12:52 AM
How much now for in state transfers?

I'm still waiting for my "CalGuns" Lower. Is TenPercentFirearms considered CA or Texas?

"CalGuns Lower" price estimate started at $180 then went up to $225 after deal was finalized.:mad:

Now xfer may be another $50?:ack2:

Man! This deal started at $230 with purchase and transfer, now it may be $325 for a stripped lower with transfer?

Holy crap! No wonder my shooting buddies are calling me a ****ing idiot!

ivanimal
07-11-2007, 12:55 AM
Holy crap! No wonder my shooting buddies are calling me a ****ing idiot!

I have never called you that to your face!:p

RobG
07-11-2007, 4:50 AM
100.00 seems to be the point at which people say "no way." They probably are aware of that and are letting folks know they aren't interested in doing those types of transfers. Yes, they and others are for profit businesses but, they forget about the wonderous WWW which allows shopping of multitudes of guns as opposed to the limited selection of retail/local shops. My FFL (55.00 TOTAL, bless him :) ) has no problem doing them and since my first transaction with him (out of state/Gunbroker deal) I have bought a rifle, had my OLL transfered, and had him blue 3 guns and do some misc 'smith work. He looks at it as people in his place for whatever, are potential customers.

HUTCH 7.62
07-11-2007, 7:42 PM
That $100 transfer fee will deter people from transfering lowers there, but does that also mean they will have more lowers in stock at the store? So this transfer fee will deter people from buying online because it'll be cheaper to buy the lower in the store.

As far as I know irvington does not stock lowers.

Technical Ted
07-11-2007, 7:43 PM
As far as I know irvington does not stock lowers.
I was in there a couple of weeks ago. They had lowers from CMMG and Dane.

HUTCH 7.62
07-11-2007, 7:51 PM
cool. when i was there a 2 months ago they told me that they did not stock lowers and i had to order from cold war shooters.:cool2:

Santa Cruz Armory
07-11-2007, 8:12 PM
My place used to charge $25 then upped it to $50 then upped it to $75. Personally, I think the FFLs are capitalizing on the OLL craze. That's cool for them, Crappy for us. Personally I think it's BS.

Man...I remember my last transfer, 3 SKSs and 2 Stags...$63.50 OTD for all 5!

$50 transfer, and $13.50 handling fee. (that was the first time on the handling fee)

That was cool! :D

Franksremote
07-11-2007, 10:16 PM
We apologize for having to have to raise the price on the out-of-state/internet transfers. It is not that we are trying to deter anything, it's just a lot of work and we are trying to grow so that you have more of a selection at the same low prices we offer now.

We are stocking more lowers (Dane, CMMG, and Stag) and increasing the product line in the store overall. Stock is a little low right now (for receivers), but we are replenishing with more of each above and plan to stay more consistent with what we have in the store while adding a larger variety of guns, parts, and services for you. Additionally, we're also stocking small numbers of Saigas with plans to stock more of them in all calibers available. If all else fails, you can always have us order what's not in stock and we'll gladly do so without any additional charges at the same low prices y'all get to enjoy now as if it were in stock.

Not trying to retire early, just trying to stay in business. I do hope that those of you who've experienced the level of service and fair pricing we've always offered understand the need for this slight increase.

wilit
07-11-2007, 10:31 PM
Let's also not forget Irvington Arms had the unfortunate luck of being robbed not too long ago and loosing a lot of stock. That can't be good for anyone.

On a side note, if you guys plan on stocking lowers, can you guys stock some NDS lowers? I've been having the urge to build another AK.

mow
07-11-2007, 10:59 PM
On a side note, if you guys plan on stocking lowers, can you guys stock some NDS lowers? I've been having the urge to build another AK.


I second :D

Solidmch
07-11-2007, 11:01 PM
I was there Saturday. They had alot of lowers there. I bought a Glock 22. I could have gotten it cheaper, but I like to spend my money with people that are local., and out to fight the good fight. :D

PistolPete75
07-11-2007, 11:04 PM
In defense of Irvington Arms, Frank is the nicest gun shop owner I know. He is always helpful, responsive, and knowledgable. What you guys get in return is stocked items. There is no store like that around where I live, so you guys are very lucky.

aklover_91
07-11-2007, 11:12 PM
Well, that just completely destroyed my AK build budget. Needless to say, I'm a little peeved.

draconianruler
07-12-2007, 1:02 AM
Regardless of their price increase, I'm still taking my business to them. They have great service. Now, I'll just have to buy more then one gun at a time to save on DROS fees :D.

1919A4
07-12-2007, 12:19 PM
No offence to anyone, I personally don’t give a rat’s *** what Irvington Arms charges. What’s an extra 25-50 bucks to support your local dealer and especially if that will help keep them in business. They are good folks down there. Not many dealers will take the time to talk to you and not give you a line of bull**** and make you feel like they are going out of there way to help you . I hate to go to other local shops just because of that. I don’t buy a whole lot but when I do I go there.
I will give you just two examples of the kind of service I received out of there.

1. My very first experiance with Irvington. I wanted to buy a glock 23. Martin gave me the best price in town. A few days later I went in to pick up the glock and I had a set of true glow tritium sights with me. I figured 50-100 bucks to install them. That’s what other dealers quoted me. Martin said take them out of the package. He installed them on the spot at No charge. I thought to my self. This is a first and it made me feel good that I had gotten awesome service. Even if he never gave me any other free services he had a customer for life. He had no idea how much I appreciated that. Money was tight that month.
2. A few months later I became interested in the 1919A4. I went down to the shop and Martin gave me all the advice I could ever need. I made my decision and he did the transfer for me. When it shows up I was called to inspect it. Martin then took the time to help me set it up on the tripod and gave some schooling on how do disassemble it and clean it and most importantly headspace the thing. He didn’t want to see me get hurt. We even went shooting a couple times and he schooled me again just to make sure I had it right.

3. I know I didn’t have to say all this but I figure those of you that haven’t had good service from other shops need to take your business to them.

I appreciate all of you down there. John, Rich,Frank , etc

That’s all I have to say about that.
Lynch

leelaw
07-12-2007, 12:20 PM
I personally donít give a ratís *** what Irvington Arms charges. Whatís an extra 25-50 bucks to support your local dealer and especially if that will help keep them in business. They are good folks down there. Not many dealers will take the time to talk to you and not give you a line of bull**** and make you feel like they are going out of there way to help you . I hate to go to other local shops just because of that. I donít buy a whole lot but when I do I go there.

Agreed. I still recommend people to them if they're closer to Fremont than Fairfield, due to the excellent service I received when I shopped there. :)

xenophobe
07-12-2007, 12:54 PM
I personally donít give a ratís *** what Irvington Arms charges. Whatís an extra 25-50 bucks to support your local dealer and especially if that will help keep them in business. They are good folks down there.

+1 Absolutely.

Blue
07-12-2007, 4:40 PM
Oh well now they're on par with what alot of other shops charge. I'll continue to blow money there.

best45auto
07-12-2007, 7:58 PM
+1 Absolutely.

they have some of the best customer service in the area +1

PonyFiveO
07-12-2007, 8:30 PM
Just for chits and comparisons, while at the Reed's sale today, I believe I saw a sign stating they charge a total of $185 for FFL to FFL transfers.

The sign was behind the gun counter at the same level as the rifles and shotguns if anyone wants to confirm it. :D

Flux Capacitor
07-12-2007, 10:43 PM
No offence to anyone, I personally donít give a ratís *** what Irvington Arms charges. Whatís an extra 25-50 bucks to support your local dealer and especially if that will help keep them in business. They are good folks down there. Not many dealers will take the time to talk to you and not give you a line of bull**** and make you feel like they are going out of there way to help you . I hate to go to other local shops just because of that. I donít buy a whole lot but when I do I go there.
I will give you just two examples of the kind of service I received out of there.

1. My very first experiance with Irvington. I wanted to buy a glock 23. Martin gave me the best price in town. A few days later I went in to pick up the glock and I had a set of true glow tritium sights with me. I figured 50-100 bucks to install them. Thatís what other dealers quoted me. Martin said take them out of the package. He installed them on the spot at No charge. I thought to my self. This is a first and it made me feel good that I had gotten awesome service. Even if he never gave me any other free services he had a customer for life. He had no idea how much I appreciated that. Money was tight that month.
2. A few months later I became interested in the 1919A4. I went down to the shop and Martin gave me all the advice I could ever need. I made my decision and he did the transfer for me. When it shows up I was called to inspect it. Martin then took the time to help me set it up on the tripod and gave some schooling on how do disassemble it and clean it and most importantly headspace the thing. He didnít want to see me get hurt. We even went shooting a couple times and he schooled me again just to make sure I had it right.

3. I know I didnít have to say all this but I figure those of you that havenít had good service from other shops need to take your business to them.

I appreciate all of you down there. John, Rich,Frank , etc

Thatís all I have to say about that.
Lynch


I care. Price is almost the bottom line for me. But thats just me.

yellowsulphur
07-13-2007, 12:11 PM
Just for chits and comparisons, while at the Reed's sale today, I believe I saw a sign stating they charge a total of $185 for FFL to FFL transfers.

The sign was behind the gun counter at the same level as the rifles and shotguns if anyone wants to confirm it. :D

That price is right IIRC its been the same for atleast the past 5 years. They don't like to do transfers.

bwiese
07-13-2007, 12:26 PM
That price is right IIRC its been the same for atleast the past 5 years. They don't like to do transfers.

That's their right. They have inventory that has carrying costs (financing, heat/lights/staff/real estate) allocated to it so they're gonna wanna direct you to what's on the shelf.

Parag and I were there last nite for the big sale. Parag wanted to look at a Sharps but was just ignored - they had some new people on that nite. (I didn't see "Mike", the tall skinny guy in 50s w/close-cropped beard - he's really good helpful guy). Parag said f**kit and we went for Mexican food.

CavTrooper
07-13-2007, 12:49 PM
Is this the standard for transfer fees in CA?? $100+?? Holy smokes, I get upset when Im charged more than $25.00 for a transfer!!! I thought this site would be encouraging, give me some hope for the firearms scene in CA, its actually been a huge kick in the b**ls and make me dread my move to CA.:(

thedrickel
07-13-2007, 1:48 PM
Is this the standard for transfer fees in CA?? $100+?? Holy smokes, I get upset when Im charged more than $25.00 for a transfer!!! I thought this site would be encouraging, give me some hope for the firearms scene in CA, its actually been a huge kick in the b**ls and make me dread my move to CA.:(

Don't worry there are plenty of places that are cheaper, see Jicko's FFL list for examples.

GlockComa
07-13-2007, 1:50 PM
AR15Barrel haha you hit the nail right on the head with regards to my post.

My deal was I had a guy in Northern CA. with a rifle I wanted.

Went to his FFL and they told him it would cost $100 to ship the rifle to my FFL.

$100 just to ship a rifle to my FFL here in Socal. I think thats just outrageous.

Steyr_223
07-13-2007, 2:34 PM
My dad wanted to get a new .45 pistol yesterday, he saw the Reeds ad and wanted to check out the sale..I convinced him to checkout Irvington Arms instead..He DROSed a new Springfield XD.

The crowd at Reeds annual sale are always insane and service sub-par..My dad spent a lot of time talking to Rich and Jon at IR and was very happy with the service..

Besides we both hate crowds..Plus I had my 2 year old and he had a great time at IR too..

S

wheelgunner
07-13-2007, 3:04 PM
Is that transfer fee for all transfers or only out of state transfers?:confused:

bwiese
07-13-2007, 4:50 PM
AR15Barrel haha you hit the nail right on the head with regards to my post.

My deal was I had a guy in Northern CA. with a rifle I wanted.

Went to his FFL and they told him it would cost $100 to ship the rifle to my FFL.

Again, let's clarify - WHY did that rifle need to be shipped from his FFL to your FFL? Under Fed and CA law, it's entirely legal for party A to ship his rifle directly to party B's FFL.

If your FFL won't accept a shipment like that for whatever reason, you can find another FFL.

You're complaining about a problem you or the other guy (or both) generated.



$100 just to ship a rifle to my FFL here in Socal. I think thats just outrageous.

Let's see... that gun has to enter the FFLs books, use time/labor to box and ship, perhaps assume risk if something goes wrong (damaged, lost, etc.), and that time/labor displaces another profit-making sale (i.e., "opportunity costs"). The dealer is also entitled to a modicum of profit, too. Even if he subtracted out true profit after overhead, a metro area FFL is doing you charity work if he's doing it for under $60 excluding postage/shipping.

You're also doing this in one of the highest-cost-of-doing-business states in the Union, and one of the most gun-unfriendly.

I've never seen so many socialists as when people want freebies ("welfare") from their FFL, and then wonder why he goes out of business.

EricCartmann
07-13-2007, 5:06 PM
When I get my FFL license I will only charge you guys $25.

Jicko
07-13-2007, 5:17 PM
When I get my FFL license I will only charge you guys $25.

Go away... we don't live in NV!

:D

bwiese
07-13-2007, 5:27 PM
Is that transfer fee for all transfers or only out of state transfers?:confused:

Private-party transfers are restricted to a $30? $35? fee as mandated by state law. CA FFLs *must* do PPTs for folks for long guns and cannot refuse. If that CA FFL also sells handguns, then he *must* also handle handgun PPTs as well.

In theory, two distant Californians can do 'remote PPTs' between two different FFLs using the 'gun show' transaction on the DROS screen.

All other transactions are not considered PPTs and are not really a 'transfer' but a true sale. As such, the FFL can mark up whatever he wants - say, 15% over Shotgun News, a flat $75 or $100, or whatever.

niceguy
07-14-2007, 9:44 PM
Ya know.... I was thinking that $100 was a lot... but heck, it's not really all that much if you consider the long haul. How much will you spend on a big bore just to feed it really well for a weekend?

I went there today - first visist. Service was great, conversation didn't turn "you ignorant puke listen to what we say and shut up... duh, oh yeah, you better like it, too..." I liked the place. I'm going to shop there again, maybe get a Saiga or 2, perhaps even a PTR.

I value service and knowledge, and I'll pay a little more for it. Been to a LOT of shops over the years, and these guys make you feel at home.

I like that.

oaklander
07-14-2007, 9:54 PM
Yes, I've DROS'ed through them before, and they are a good bunch of guys. They are close to me, they DROS OLLs and the are genuinely nice to do business with. Even though I'd *rather* pay less, I am still going to use them for my transfers.

Ya know.... I was thinking that $100 was a lot... but heck, it's not really all that much if you consider the long haul. How much will you spend on a big bore just to feed it really well for a weekend?

I went there today - first visist. Service was great, conversation didn't turn "you ignorant puke listen to what we say and shut up... duh, oh yeah, you better like it, too..." I liked the place. I'm going to shop there again, maybe get a Saiga or 2, perhaps even a PTR.

I value service and knowledge, and I'll pay a little more for it. Been to a LOT of shops over the years, and these guys make you feel at home.

I like that.

GlockComa
07-15-2007, 12:10 AM
Shipping a rifle for $60 is charity work?
Wow! I guess I'm using the right FFL's then.
Cause everyone one of the FFL's I know will ship a rifle for $50.

bwiese
07-15-2007, 1:10 AM
Shipping a rifle for $60 is charity work?
Wow! I guess I'm using the right FFL's then.
Cause everyone one of the FFL's I know will ship a rifle for $50.

Oh, I didn't notice where you were. LA is cheaper real estate than up here.

leelaw
07-15-2007, 1:55 AM
Private-party transfers are restricted to a $30? $35? fee as mandated by state law.

Rifle/shotgun PPT: $25 DROS plus $10 per long gun.

Handgun PPT: $35 first handgun, $32 each subsequent handgun.

6172crew
07-15-2007, 9:11 AM
Man- Gun owners are a bunch of cheap SOBs.:D If you guys want to play ya have to pay and in terms of cost firearms arent that much compared to say cars or boats.

You want to see crazy go look at some class 3 stuff across the border.

proraptor
07-15-2007, 10:50 AM
$100 for an out of state transfer? Crazy....Im so glad that down here we have Ades' gunshop cause he sometimes he pushes you to do an out of state transfer to save money....

He is the nicest guy I have ever met lol