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Wayrightofcenter
10-09-2012, 8:20 AM
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FourLoko
10-09-2012, 8:24 AM
This: http://www.riflegear.com/p-1207-sig-sauer-sig716-patrol-rifle.aspx

or

This: http://www.riflegear.com/p-1690-bushmaster-308-16-midlength-moe-rifle.aspx

hermosabeach
10-09-2012, 10:34 AM
The .308 AR is a more awkward platform

It takes more effort to shoot it-
It is heavier and a tad more difficult to shoot off hand
If you are accostomed to having your nose near the charging handle and you eye close to the peep sight, occasionally the gun will bjmp my nose during recoil

To clear a malfunction, it takes more effort to pull the charging handle back with your left hand...

At the end of a 4 day class when you have carried it all day long, it is evident that it is not a .223

Overall they are a fun platform.....

alfred1222
10-09-2012, 10:45 AM
A bushmaster BR 308

SoCalXD
10-09-2012, 10:48 AM
This: http://www.riflegear.com/p-1207-sig-sauer-sig716-patrol-rifle.aspx
or
This: http://www.riflegear.com/p-1690-bushmaster-308-16-midlength-moe-rifle.aspx

Those are two good choices in their price ranges with CA availability. Too bad the DPMS Recon doesn't appear to be available for CA. However, it appears that the DPMS Oracle is available in CA, which could be a good competitor with the Bushmaster MOE in that price range (though, I really like the Magpul upgrades on that Bushmaster, so long as it is still getting good reviews):

http://www.dpmsinc.com/308-ORACLE-ATACS_ep_98-1.html

SoCalXD
10-09-2012, 10:55 AM
A bushmaster BR 308

I don't see a benefit of going with a BR over a MOE, unless you are after the retro stock/handguard look. I'd take the upgrade of sights and better furniture of the MOE over the BR myself, for the same price. Here is a link to a BR for sale; I assume this is the config. being discussed:

http://www.gunsamerica.com/940413784/Guns/Rifles/Bushmaster-Rifles/Complete-Rifles/New_CA_Legal_Bushmaster_BR_308_AR_10_308.htm

FMJBT
10-09-2012, 11:18 AM
CMMG makes a pretty decent DPMS based 308. Found this upper recently, pretty good deal:

http://www.surplusammo.com/cmmg-308-sst-308-win-18-stainless-steel-h-bar-free-float-mid-length-upper-receiver/

If you are getting the 308 for the added range, I'd strongly suggest getting one with a free floated forend. All the added range of the 308 will be useless if the rifle isn't accurate enough to get on target at a distance. Don't go overboard with barrel length or optics, the benefit is often not worth the associated weight gain. A 16" to 18" medium profile barrel with get a 308 out further than most people can shoot, and much further than most ranges in CA have targets posted at.

For optics, take into consideration what range you intend to shoot out to. A good rule of thumb for scope selection is 1X magnification for every 100 yards you extend out. 200 yards = 2X, 800 yards = 8X, etc. Going with that rule should get you a rifle capable of very good practical accuracy out to your intended range without being overly heavy for the task.

I'd also suggest getting a good muzzle brake to help tame recoil. With an effective brake you'll be able to spot your own rounds as they hit/miss, and you'll be able to get follow up shots out a lot faster than a non-braked configuration.

Wayrightofcenter
10-09-2012, 11:30 AM
Thank you very much. Some great info. I have a 308 bolt rifle and wanted to move over to the semi and have fun with. I was also thinking about the sagia 308, but the ak style isn't the most accurate compared to the AR.

CK_32
10-09-2012, 11:56 AM
OP I suggest you hit up snipers hide forum for some research.. Leaned everything I know postig and reading over there... Guys know their shi**..

But read more than you post those are the long range big dogs over there

Hoop
10-09-2012, 1:31 PM
If you're fairly new to the AR world you should stick to a 223 AR. The ammunition is cheaper so you'll be able to shoot more often, the recoil is much less so you'll be able to work on the fundamentals much easier, and pound for pound they cost less.

Damn True
10-09-2012, 1:47 PM
Those are two good choices in their price ranges with CA availability. Too bad the DPMS Recon doesn't appear to be available for CA. However, it appears that the DPMS Oracle is available in CA, which could be a good competitor with the Bushmaster MOE in that price range (though, I really like the Magpul upgrades on that Bushmaster, so long as it is still getting good reviews):

http://www.dpmsinc.com/308-ORACLE-ATACS_ep_98-1.html

I'm fond of the MOE configured Bushmaster and I'm considering purchasing it myself. I neither need, nor want the de rigueur quad-rail configurations.

IPSICK
10-09-2012, 2:11 PM
I haven't checked to see if they can be made CA-compliant but the DPMS 3G1 in 308 seems like a bargain for what you get.

http://www.hinterlandoutfitters.com/dpms-panther-rifle-rflr3g1-winchester-magpul-stock-black-finish-p-42061.html

Another option would be the DPMS 308 Lite Hunter.

21SF
10-09-2012, 2:14 PM
When are the Colt Cm09's suppose to show up?

Damn True
10-09-2012, 2:19 PM
I haven't checked to see if they can be made CA-compliant but the DPMS 3G1 in 308 seems like a bargain for what you get.

http://www.hinterlandoutfitters.com/dpms-panther-rifle-rflr3g1-winchester-magpul-stock-black-finish-p-42061.html

Another option would be the DPMS 308 Lite Hunter.

I've contacted DPMS. Their policy is that they will only sell (as complete guns) those configs shown on their "CA Compliant" page. The will not add a BB or make featureless any other config. A vendor might. I don't know.

IPSICK
10-09-2012, 3:28 PM
I've contacted DPMS. Their policy is that they will only sell (as complete guns) those configs shown on their "CA Compliant" page. The will not add a BB or make featureless any other config. A vendor might. I don't know.

That sounds about right for DPMS, but if the lower is not listed I do wonder if a vendor can make the mod.

I still think the DPMS 3G1 is one of the best deals going for ARs right now. I call it the poor man's JP except it actually comes with JP goodies not just copies of JP goodies.

Damn True
10-09-2012, 10:35 PM
That sounds about right for DPMS, but if the lower is not listed I do wonder if a vendor can make the mod.

I still think the DPMS 3G1 is one of the best deals going for ARs right now. I call it the poor man's JP except it actually comes with JP goodies not just copies of JP goodies.


Possibly. FWIW, they said that the same policy applies to their lowers. Again, a vendor might be able/willing to do something else.