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EL_NinO619
10-07-2012, 11:34 PM
Just installed the Sage stripper clip rail, had to file a little to get it to slide on and then I chopped the back so it would clear the rear iron. Slapped the Burris FF2 on, works good in light and dark, transition between night and dark no problem, even with no brightness settings. What I really like about it, that its low and does not effect my check weld like my aimpoint did, Even when the low mount was on. Seems rugged enough, but only time will tell. This gun is not a safe queen and I will pit it through its paces. The Magpul angle grip works great also the MOE small rail that is holding light, thumb pretty much rest on switch. P.S. SS checkmate mag is getting painted, before anyone laughs at my bling :D

http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac135/Justin_Moreau/Socom015-2.jpg

http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac135/Justin_Moreau/Socom019-1.jpg

http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac135/Justin_Moreau/Socom016-1.jpg

http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac135/Justin_Moreau/Socom020-1.jpg

http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac135/Justin_Moreau/Socom018-2.jpg

Cadre
10-07-2012, 11:45 PM
i likes! nice S16

EL_NinO619
10-08-2012, 12:42 AM
Thanks Cadre.

mrvash
10-08-2012, 12:45 AM
Nice rifle, but you may want to rethink mounting that AFG.

ArmedArtist
10-08-2012, 12:47 AM
I've always wanted one of those. I really need to save up and get one before its too late. I bet that thing is awesome to shoot.

451040
10-08-2012, 7:03 AM
Nice M1A :thumbsup:. I've been going back and forth between the Ultimak/T1 and Hopco/RMR.






Nice rifle, but you may want to rethink mounting that AFG.


^ what he said.

FeuerFrei
10-08-2012, 9:01 AM
...now ditch the barrel's "heat sink" and replace top cover with a GI cover and you'll be done.

joelogic
10-08-2012, 9:07 AM
Hopco/RMR all the way. :)

http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m353/joelogic/Hopco%20USA/d52ac318.jpg

21SF
10-08-2012, 9:43 AM
I love these rifles, I just wish they would do something about the ugly top cover.

gil671
10-08-2012, 11:34 AM
I really like it! Looks awesome buddy!

EL_NinO619
10-08-2012, 12:21 PM
Nice rifle, but you may want to rethink mounting that AFG.

Why's this, and I don't mean it rudely. I have been running it for awhile now and its right where I place my hand.

EL_NinO619
10-08-2012, 12:24 PM
I love these rifles, I just wish they would do something about the ugly top cover.

LOL :D That's the soul of the M14. I will tell you one thing, they can never get the cover to match, no matter what color M1A.

MrPlink
10-08-2012, 12:25 PM
Afg is debated on its status for a featureless rifle.

Mossy Man
10-08-2012, 12:27 PM
Afg is iffy in regards to AW features.

Yerman
10-08-2012, 12:33 PM
Katy Perry hu? ;)

shamu415
10-08-2012, 12:37 PM
Nice build! You can try a handstop too

EL_NinO619
10-08-2012, 12:37 PM
Afg is iffy in regards to AW features.

No way, Really. F Ive been rocking it for awhile. I never thought about that. No joking aside, do you really think AG will be a problem

mrvash
10-08-2012, 12:47 PM
No way, Really. F Ive been rocking it for awhile. I never thought about that. No joking aside, do you really think AG will be a problem

There is a AFG on featureless rifle guru floating around Calguns, I'm sure he'll make his appearance sooner or later. Some people state that the AFG is debatable and some say it's flat out illegal.

EL_NinO619
10-08-2012, 1:06 PM
Hopefully he will chime in, I don't want to remove I like it, there is also holes now. But I won't have a problem taking it off and putting a stop if need be. Fing CA, next we will have to check if a certain toilet paper is on the list.

MrPlink
10-08-2012, 3:31 PM
No case law, no doj statements, not directly addressed in pc, thus no way to say if it is legal or illegal. Any other argument is speculation

EL_NinO619
10-08-2012, 4:24 PM
Next question, Should I delete this thread for legality issues?

451040
10-08-2012, 4:38 PM
...now ditch the barrel's "heat sink" and replace top cover with a GI cover and you'll be done.


:thumbsup:

The first thing I did was remove the scout mount and install a standard top cover.


Next question, Should I delete this thread for legality issues?


I don't know what good that'll do but take a look at the AW flowchart and decide for yourself if having the AFG is worth risking a possible legal entanglement.

sigstroker
10-08-2012, 4:55 PM
Why not put the optic on the forward scope base that came on the rifle?

MrPlink
10-08-2012, 8:31 PM
as an anecdote, I ran an afg on my featurelss for years, nobody ever raised an eyebrow. Run at your own risk.

patriot.saint
10-08-2012, 9:33 PM
What rail light are you using? I can't find it anywhere.

strongpoint
10-09-2012, 12:00 AM
how did you install the rail that holds the AFG?

EL_NinO619
10-09-2012, 12:16 AM
I had a Aimpoint CompM4s on the factory front rail, it was to high for a check weld, also I want to reduce weight away from barrel & Rifle. The rifle is not as heavy as everyone thinks, but its all front weight. To me this is a carbine CQB rifle (though I am not battling, just the type of rifle) so I want as few ounces as possible.

The light that I am running is called a inforce, they are pretty good. Has 3 settings- bright, dim, strobe and a quick detach also a lock-out switch to prevent accidental activation. Pretty sweet. http://www.inforce-mil.com/

The bottom rail is just a magpul medium rail.

Stewdabaker23
10-09-2012, 5:00 AM
I love these rifles and can't wait til I can afford one. Nice rifle man.

EL_NinO619
10-09-2012, 12:16 PM
Thanks Stew.

EL_NinO619
10-09-2012, 9:51 PM
Happy Guys:notworthy::)http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac135/Justin_Moreau/20121009_162330.jpg

whlgun
10-09-2012, 10:00 PM
Not sure why people say an afg is questionable for featureless? In my eye's I dont see it being compared to a pistol grip.

Thats just me tho.

A truly beautiful rifle

EL_NinO619
10-09-2012, 10:27 PM
AFG has gone nowhere, I looked at the chart and made my decision. Looked at a million pictures and no one holds them like a "Grip". I tested it myself and I hold the rifle no different than if it was not on. But I appreciate the heads up. I was just showing the guys that I removed rail and installed GI cover.

chozenfew805
10-09-2012, 10:30 PM
Good looking Socom 16 you have there:D

strongpoint
10-09-2012, 11:35 PM
Not sure why people say an afg is questionable for featureless? In my eye's I dont see it being compared to a pistol grip.

it's questionable because "forward pistol grip" (an SB23 feature) is not clearly defined anywhere in the penal code or state regulations. the fear is that a creative prosecutor could show a jury that it's possible to grip an AFG in a manner similar to a pistol grip, and suddenly you're living in a house with a whole bunch of doors. EL_NinO619 has made his own assessment of the likelihood of such an event, and i've been gradually moving toward his viewpoint of late.

thanks, OP, for the info on the rail; i had been looking at GG&G's UFIR (http://www.gggaz.com/ar-15-m16-under-forearm-integrated-rail-ufir.html) accessory rail, which has the advantage of being made from metal but probably has the corresponding disadvantage of greater weight (the magpul rail is also a third of the cost).

you should look into the hopco USA (http://www.hopcousa.com) mounting solution for your RDS that joelogic mentioned above -- their solution sits in the pocket where the rear sight is installed (you're not using it anyway), and it would move the sight even lower towards the boreline. the photo below, from hopco's website, shows exactly how much lower.

http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m353/joelogic/Hopco%20USA/Site/307dc7a6.jpg

sigstroker
10-10-2012, 12:14 AM
How does that work with the front sight? It looks too high to co-witness.

joelogic
10-10-2012, 7:36 AM
The mount was designed to be as low as possible allowing you to use the front sight.

The view from behind with a fastfire II.
http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m353/joelogic/Hopco%20USA/73c97907_zpsd8d16036.jpg

The fastfire III comes with a line at the rear that can also be used for aiming but I have not had the chance to test it on the gun yet.
http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m353/joelogic/Hopco%20USA/702ff98a.jpg

EL_NinO619
10-10-2012, 8:29 AM
it's questionable because "forward pistol grip" (an SB23 feature) is not clearly defined anywhere in the penal code or state regulations. the fear is that a creative prosecutor could show a jury that it's possible to grip an AFG in a manner similar to a pistol grip, and suddenly you're living in a house with a whole bunch of doors. EL_NinO619 has made his own assessment of the likelihood of such an event, and i've been gradually moving toward his viewpoint of late.

thanks, OP, for the info on the rail; i had been looking at GG&G's UFIR (http://www.gggaz.com/ar-15-m16-under-forearm-integrated-rail-ufir.html) accessory rail, which has the advantage of being made from metal but probably has the corresponding disadvantage of greater weight (the magpul rail is also a third of the cost).

you should look into the hopco USA (http://www.hopcousa.com) mounting solution for your RDS that joelogic mentioned above -- their solution sits in the pocket where the rear sight is installed (you're not using it anyway), and it would move the sight even lower towards the boreline. the photo below, from hopco's website, shows exactly how much lower.

http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m353/joelogic/Hopco%20USA/Site/307dc7a6.jpg

My setup is not that high. With my Iron at zero, the lowest position. The dot is only 0.516 higher. I think they may be exaggerating in that picture with a knock off mount. But I still may consider that mount, it looks good. But I will run this one and see how it works.

EL_NinO619
10-10-2012, 8:35 AM
Big Difference, Than they're picture.
http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac135/Justin_Moreau/20121010_083230.jpg

EL_NinO619
10-10-2012, 12:32 PM
To me that mount may only have mine beat buy a C hair. I think they placed a rail on a rail.

451040
10-10-2012, 12:45 PM
To me that mount may only have mine beat buy a C hair. I think they placed a rail on a rail.


The Hopco pic clearly uses a different mount. I'd rather use the Hopco mount than a stripper clip guide mount because I don't care for the sight being cantilevered out over the ejection port.

strongpoint
10-10-2012, 4:53 PM
To me that mount may only have mine beat buy a C hair. I think they placed a rail on a rail.

their stripper clip guide mount is a bit taller, and the rail adapter for the c-more MRD is adding a bit more. still, i figured you'd be able to see the difference. closer to the bore is better, plus the advantage 451040 cites.

EL_NinO619
10-10-2012, 5:32 PM
Ya its a great mount, so is the sage, I was just pointing out they pulled a marketing ploy there. LoL