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Wernher von Browning
10-01-2012, 7:48 PM
So, I just got a "replica" M1 carbine in .22 LR, hopefully for use in Appleseed... soon.

I'd like to put a proper shooting sling on it.

I read the sticky, re the cotton M1 Garand sling. I saw the one at the CMP for $7.95, and this one at Brownell's, and Midway has one too.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/sid=78368/pid=42539/Product/M1-M14-M1A-GI-STYLE-SLING?utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_source=pricegrabber&mc_id=13000&gdftrk=gdfV21820_a_7c187_a_7c828_a_7c100006589_d_1 00006589_d_10112

Question -- is this right? Is this sling capable of wrapping around the upper support arm like the two-piece M1907 sling?

I don't see how... I don't see how it's worn. The metal clip would go in the rear sling swivel (which the M1 carbine ain't gots -- will have to rig something up that doesn't damage the rifle) and somehow the other end goes through the front swivel. On the carbine the front swivel is on the left side. I can and probably will make up a swivel that goes on the bottom.

I have a couple of leather M1907-style slings here on other rifles, I could adapt those -- but they're 1 1/4" wide, the leather is is stiff and can't be folded like webbing, which might limit how I can mount it to the 1" side slot in the carbine buttstock.

Also Midway has a 1" wide M1907 style sling. Maybe that would save a lot of fooling around.

Anybody with suggestions?

[AFTERTHOUGHT] Perhaps to attach a web sling to the carbine, I could remove the rear metal hook, and loop that around the "oiler bottle" that's supposed to be in the carbine stock...

Or, is this all academic because when used in loop mode, that clip is detached from the buttstock anyway? Then I could understand how the loop is formed.

OldShooter32
10-01-2012, 7:57 PM
No. You'd have to unhook it from the rear sling swivel and use it as a one-swivel loop. Get a leather GI sling... So much better and more versatile.

GJC
10-01-2012, 9:17 PM
If you are gonna do an Appleseed You want this sling:
http://www.appleseedstore.flyingcart.com/?p=detail&pid=10&cat_id= :D

Edit, get the cotton olive one. It grabs much better for shooting with. The nylon is slick and moves around, not as stable.

Wernher von Browning
10-01-2012, 9:32 PM
Thanks, all.

I think I'll pick up a spare M1 Garand front swivel,

http://www.pooshka.com/media/guns-for-sale/media000/0000008667/lg0000008667_A_1295506165.jpg

modify that to go on the barrel band screw (between the two tabs) of this replica carbine.

http://cdn.armslist.com/images/posts/634790127527042777kij2erac.jpg

Then I can put one of my existing leather M1907 slings on there.

I saw the CMP slings but the cotton ones are shown as "sold out" and only nylon is available. I've seen enough reports to avoid the nylon. Other vendors seem to have the cotton model at a slightly higher price than the CMP.

GJC
10-01-2012, 10:06 PM
Contact Francis Marion, he had two cotton ones for sale this weekend at Appleeeed.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/member.php?u=16418

Or here

http://www.appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php

jshoebot
10-01-2012, 10:58 PM
It's not as solid as a 1907 sling, but yes, you can use the M1 web sling in a loop configuration. Here's a good video explaining how:

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Wernher von Browning
10-02-2012, 8:25 AM
Neat. Thanks very much.

Where I was getting confused was the thought that the rear stays attached to the rifle. I couldn't see how.

On reading the CMP rules, I see now that they allow M1907 and M1 web slings to be attached at the front only.

PurplePeople
10-02-2012, 5:54 PM
1907s work fine for shooting Appleseed. Be sure you know how to set it up, not all our instructors know how to do so - the M1 sling is our standard. If you have a choice, get one that's 1 1/4" and riveted, not stapled. The el cheapos tend to come apart under rough treatment - and we dish that out!

Francis Marion
10-03-2012, 5:10 PM
Wernher,

You say it's a 22 in the form of an M1 carbine... which raises the issue of where will the sling attach. It is best for the sling to attach to the bottom of the barrel band of the rifle, not to the side of the rifle. Attaching to the side, the sling tends to force the rifle to cant while you're in firing position.

The M1 Garand type sling (1 1/4 inch wide) and the M1 carbine slings (less than 1 1/4 inch wide) won't necessarily interchange due to width and their respective means of attachment. The carbine sling is more correctly defined as strictly a carrying strap, whereas the Garand sling, with its buttstock detachment feature, is easy to use detached and looped around your bicep as an aide to accuracy. However, the carbine sling can still be used attached to the rifle front and back as a 'hasty' sling which is helpful to accuracy.

If you'd like to use a sling as a loop sling, the Garand type or the M1907 type both can do that, but the carbine just can't due to its fixed length.

If you can improvise a 1 1/4 inch swivel onto to the bottom your rifle (near the support hand), a Garand or M1907 could be attached. While such a sling would be good for shooting, it would be useless for carrying if there's no way to attach it to the buttstock.

-FM


So, I just got a "replica" M1 carbine in .22 LR, hopefully for use in Appleseed... soon.

I'd like to put a proper shooting sling on it.

I read the sticky, re the cotton M1 Garand sling. I saw the one at the CMP for $7.95, and this one at Brownell's, and Midway has one too.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/sid=78368/pid=42539/Product/M1-M14-M1A-GI-STYLE-SLING?utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_source=pricegrabber&mc_id=13000&gdftrk=gdfV21820_a_7c187_a_7c828_a_7c100006589_d_1 00006589_d_10112

Question -- is this right? Is this sling capable of wrapping around the upper support arm like the two-piece M1907 sling?

I don't see how... I don't see how it's worn. The metal clip would go in the rear sling swivel (which the M1 carbine ain't gots -- will have to rig something up that doesn't damage the rifle) and somehow the other end goes through the front swivel. On the carbine the front swivel is on the left side. I can and probably will make up a swivel that goes on the bottom.

I have a couple of leather M1907-style slings here on other rifles, I could adapt those -- but they're 1 1/4" wide, the leather is is stiff and can't be folded like webbing, which might limit how I can mount it to the 1" side slot in the carbine buttstock.

Also Midway has a 1" wide M1907 style sling. Maybe that would save a lot of fooling around.

Anybody with suggestions?

[AFTERTHOUGHT] Perhaps to attach a web sling to the carbine, I could remove the rear metal hook, and loop that around the "oiler bottle" that's supposed to be in the carbine stock...

Or, is this all academic because when used in loop mode, that clip is detached from the buttstock anyway? Then I could understand how the loop is formed.

Wernher von Browning
10-03-2012, 7:18 PM
Wernher,

You say it's a 22 in the form of an M1 carbine... which raises the issue of where will the sling attach. It is best for the sling to attach to the bottom of the barrel band of the rifle, not to the side of the rifle. Attaching to the side, the sling tends to force the rifle to cant while you're in firing position.


Roger that.

I have an order in with Numrich for a Garand front swivel. It will fit UNDER the existing wannabe carbine front band (I checked) using the existing screw, which doesn't pinch the band all the way closed. There's enough room remaining for the "eye" of the Garand swivel to slip in there. So I will have the carbine sling swivel just hanging there on the side, empty, and a manlymen Garand swivel underneath it. (I've done this for all of my rifles -- I made a custom lower band for my Mauser 98k and found an earlier-generation lower band for my Swiss K31, in both cases moving the sling below the barrel).



The M1 Garand type sling (1 1/4 inch wide) and the M1 carbine slings (less than 1 1/4 inch wide) won't necessarily interchange due to width and their respective means of attachment. The carbine sling is more correctly defined as strictly a carrying strap, whereas the Garand sling, with its buttstock detachment feature, is easy to use detached and looped around your bicep as an aide to accuracy. However, the carbine sling can still be used attached to the rifle front and back as a 'hasty' sling which is helpful to accuracy.

If you'd like to use a sling as a loop sling, the Garand type or the M1907 type both can do that, but the carbine just can't due to its fixed length.

Understood. But I don't have ANY sling for the carbine now, and I figure I might as well get one that's actually useful instead of historically correct. (It's just a wannabe carbine anyway).



If you can improvise a 1 1/4 inch swivel onto to the bottom your rifle (near the support hand), a Garand or M1907 could be attached. While such a sling would be good for shooting, it would be useless for carrying if there's no way to attach it to the buttstock.

Yeah there is. Just watch me. :D (I have a trick up my sleeve and it doesn't involve drilling holes for a new swivel).

I have a couple of leather M1907 slings already, but I like the idea of the cotton M1 Garand sling.

Francis Marion
10-04-2012, 6:32 AM
Wernher,

I now see from your photo that you're on track with the swivels- that's a really good idea. You should have a nice shooter when done, if using carbine aperture sights (windage and elevation adjustable?) and a proper rectangular front sight.

Let us know how it all works out. Shoot straight.