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snovvman
09-25-2012, 7:12 PM
I have been looking for a reasonably priced 14.5" M4 upper, chrome lined, with a non-pinned flash hinder so I can put on my own muzzle device before pinning/welding. I'm happy with the upper only or a kit. An upgraded BCG (NP3 etc.) would be okay but not necessary.

I found one at akpartskit/Blackthorne, waited 7 weeks, turned out that it was not what I ordered (long story). Returned.

I found another at D S Arms, NP3 upgrades, with parts it came to ~$600. Ordered, but I just found out that they are also on back order.

I Googled, I either find pre-pinned uppers or out of stock/back order.

Why is the 14.5" setup so hard to find? Does anyone know of a source? Thanks.

SA227driver
09-25-2012, 7:15 PM
Obama is in campaign mode. People are gobbling up anything/everything they can get their hands on.

snovvman
09-25-2012, 7:21 PM
Obama is in campaign mode. People are gobbling up anything/everything they can get their hands on.

Arggggg!!! :22::36::6:

FX-05 Xiuhcoatl
09-25-2012, 7:21 PM
Have you try PSA

snovvman
09-25-2012, 7:26 PM
Have you try PSA

Yes--PSA, Del-Ton, Primary, Spikes, etc.

BucDan
09-25-2012, 7:32 PM
Possibly build an upper?

CK_32
09-25-2012, 7:33 PM
The same reason every gun shop shop/online store is bare of ammo/guns..

Election time and the idiots bulking for Y2K part 2 aka 2012 end of the world..


Try Bravocompanyusa.com usually has some stock. Might have why your looking for and only carry quality uppers.

Arnelcheeze
09-25-2012, 7:39 PM
riflegear

http://www.riflegear.com/c-76-145-uppers.aspx

PAKALO
09-25-2012, 7:53 PM
build your own upper... or take it to shop and pay smith $10 he will come back five minutes later with your complete upper

seainc
09-25-2012, 8:27 PM
Get this so you only need to cry once.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=307790958

gat
09-25-2012, 8:32 PM
Are 14.5" uppers without a flash hider ever easy to find? That puts them into probably NFA territory and I imagine a lot of dealers wouldn't bother to stock something like that.

bombadillo
09-25-2012, 8:41 PM
Must not have looked hard enough. PSA has 2 in stock right now. I'm not going to provide a link because all I had to do was look.

JMW
09-25-2012, 8:45 PM
Quantico 420 S Coast Hwy, Oceanside CA 92054
760-721-6666
oceanside@quanticotactical.com
I believe they were LMT and around 480.00

JDW67
09-25-2012, 9:20 PM
Are 14.5" uppers without a flash hider ever easy to find? That puts them into probably NFA territory and I imagine a lot of dealers wouldn't bother to stock something like that.

Yes, they usually are...

JDW67
09-25-2012, 9:22 PM
Get this so you only need to cry once.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=307790958

Whahahahaha...he discovered the Stag left handed upper, so the HK has to go...lol...

gunsarefun
09-25-2012, 9:58 PM
I'm a little confused... isn't the only way to take possession of a 14.5" upper ( or shorter) without it being perm. modified to 16" is to go through the NFA process, of which CA refuses to recognize, so one couldn't be bought anyway?

Have you asked anyone like BCM or PSA, etc if they would just pin and weld the muzzle device you are looking for, assuming it's something over the counter that they would carry anyway?

Velio
09-25-2012, 10:04 PM
Just buy the parts on Brownells/MidwayUSA/Primary Arms/PSA. Ain't hard to put an upper together, all you need is a vice and torque wrench. Or just go to your local shop and have them slap it together for you for like 15 bucks.

Ziggy91
09-25-2012, 10:06 PM
DS Arms has at least one right now.

Please look harder next time, I too found some quickly.

CK_32
09-25-2012, 10:08 PM
You can own a 14.5 unpinned with the intentions of getting it pinned. But can not mount it on a non registered SBR/pistol lower until it is pinned and set at 16".

So they aren't illegal to own.. Only when mounted on a non approved rifle lower if it still being able to be less than 16" OAL. That's my understanding of it anyways

wash
09-25-2012, 10:13 PM
If you have an AR pistol lower, you can buy that 14.5" non-pinned barrel without triggering SBR constructive possession.

You still can't install it on a rifle lower until the barrel is pinned.

Unless you have that AR pistol lower, don't fool around with this stuff, choose your brake and get it pinned on before you take delivery.

wash
09-25-2012, 10:15 PM
You can own a 14.5 unpinned with the intentions of getting it pinned. But can not mount it on a non registered SBR/pistol lower until it is pinned and set at 16".

So they aren't illegal to own.. Only when mounted on a non approved rifle lower if it still being able to be less than 16" OAL. That's my understanding of it anyways
That's wrong.

Constructive possession of an SBR applies if the only combination of parts you have would result in a short barreled rifle.

CK_32
09-25-2012, 10:41 PM
That's wrong.

Constructive possession of an SBR applies if the only combination of parts you have would result in a short barreled rifle.

How's that wrong you said what I was trying to explain lol

BONECUTTER
09-25-2012, 11:41 PM
You can own a 14.5 unpinned with the intentions of getting it pinned. But can not mount it on a non registered SBR/pistol lower until it is pinned and set at 16".

So they aren't illegal to own.. Only when mounted on a non approved rifle lower if it still being able to be less than 16" OAL. That's my understanding of it anyways

With no pistol or SBR lower you are still in constructive possession and they are illegal to own.

Penal Code 17170
As used in Sections 16530 and 16640, Sections 17720 to 17730, inclusive, Section 17740, Article 1 (commencing with Section 27500) of Chapter 4 of Division 6 of Title 4, and Article 1 (commencing with Section 33210) of Chapter 8 of Division 10 of Title 4, "short-barreled rifle" means any of the following:
(a) A rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length.
(b) A rifle with an overall length of less than 26 inches.
(c) Any weapon made from a rifle (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if that weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length.
(d) Any device that may be readily restored to fire a fixed cartridge which, when so restored, is a device defined in subdivisions (a) to (c), inclusive.
(e) Any part, or combination of parts, designed and intended to convert a device into a device defined in subdivisions (a) to (c), inclusive, or any combination of parts from which a device defined in subdivisions (a) to (c), inclusive, may be readily assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.
That's wrong.

Constructive possession of an SBR applies if the only combination of parts you have would result in a short barreled rifle.

Correct, with no pistol or SBR registers lowers you do not have a legal use for it and having one can get you in trouble.

How's that wrong you said what I was trying to explain lol

You are saying its legal when he is saying its legal IF you have a pistol lower.
He is right.

See Quiets post for a good detail of what's legal.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=9388267&postcount=17
Summary for constructive possession of a SBR:
Possession/control of a less than 16" barrel by itself = legal
Possession/control of a less than 16" barrel + a rifle that can use that barrel = illegal
Possession/control of a less than 16" barrel + a handgun that can use that barrel = legal
Possession/control of a less than 16" barrel + a rifle that can use that barrel + a handgun that can use that barrel = legal

by itself = not owning/possessing/controlling any type of firearm that can use the barrel
Possession/control includes parts being in different locations, that can be miles apart.

Calgunner217
09-25-2012, 11:52 PM
Try Gunbroker.com search for 14.5 upper.

CK_32
09-26-2012, 12:11 AM
So if I buy a 14.5" upper tomorrow and put it in the closet until I can get it pinned the upper by it self is a SBR??

zfields
09-26-2012, 12:14 AM
So if I buy a 14.5" upper tomorrow and put it in the closet until I can get it pinned the upper by it self is a SBR??

If you have a rifle lower, and no pistol lower, yes.

CK_32
09-26-2012, 12:32 AM
If you have a rifle lower, and no pistol lower, yes.

Ok then that's what I meant. If you have a lower not registered as a SBR or pistol then it becomes illegal. But the upper by it self is fully legal to own.

BONECUTTER
09-26-2012, 12:32 AM
So if I buy a 14.5" upper tomorrow and put it in the closet until I can get it pinned the upper by it self is a SBR??

If you have a AR lower(non pistol/SBR) and a upper under 16" upper.
You are in constructive possession of an SBR even if the two have never been in the same room. Even if you keep them at two different properties you own in two different states.

You need to have a legal use for it to be legal. Hence why they always warn all NFA rules apply.

zfields
09-26-2012, 12:33 AM
Ok then that's what I meant. If you have a lower not registered as a SBR or pistol then it becomes illegal. But the upper by it self is fully legal to own.

That's my understanding of it.


This is why I stick with AKs : )

BONECUTTER
09-26-2012, 12:35 AM
Ok then that's what I meant. If you have a lower not registered as a SBR or pistol then it becomes illegal. But the upper by it self is fully legal to own.

You can only legally own an under 16' upper if:

1. You do not own an AR rifle or rifle lower.
2. You own a AR pistol or SBR or a pistol or SBR lower.

CK_32
09-26-2012, 12:44 AM
That's my understanding of it.


This is why I stick with AKs : )

Yea AKs seem pretty cut and dry here your AK now go have fun.

ARs you have to be a dam lawyer to buy one legally fack!

rogtac
09-26-2012, 12:54 AM
I've got 2 LMT 14.5" Uppers with unpinned bird cages.

http://www.rogtac.com/upper-parts/complete-upper-assemblies/14-5-uppers/lmt-standard-flattop-complete-upper-assembly-14-5-5-56mm-semi-auto-bcg.html

PM me for better pricing.

gunsarefun
09-26-2012, 6:56 AM
You need to have a legal use for it to be legal. Hence why they always warn all NFA rules apply.

I see that all the time "all NFA rules apply", I just assumed to buy an upper with that designation you have to provide full tax stamp documentation? I've always thought that and thought it must be difficult trying to buy an upper for a pistol.

BONECUTTER
09-26-2012, 10:44 AM
I see that all the time "all NFA rules apply", I just assumed to buy an upper with that designation you have to provide full tax stamp documentation? I've always thought that and thought it must be difficult trying to buy an upper for a pistol.

No, that's just a friendly reminder that if you don't have a legal use for it you could be charged.

ar15barrels
09-26-2012, 10:46 AM
Why is the 14.5" setup so hard to find? Does anyone know of a source? Thanks.

Snag an easy-to-get 16" and I can cut it down to 14.5" and do the permanent attach for you while you wait.

Maddog5150
09-27-2012, 9:30 AM
I was on a waiting list for over 2 years for a colt socom upper. Just the 14.5" and plastic m4 hand guards. I just said eff it and went with an LMT that I got fairly quickly. Good luck op. I love my LMT upper though.

0351USMC
09-27-2012, 9:46 AM
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-M4-14-5-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-m4-14.htm

JNunez23
09-27-2012, 9:56 AM
Whahahahaha...he discovered the Stag left handed upper, so the HK has to go...lol...

Hahaha, that was the first laugh of the day!