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Dirtbiker
09-21-2012, 7:56 PM
I lost a dear friend and I have the opportunity to buy a rifle from his collection.

Price is the same for each, not I wont tell how much other than it is a good deal. I can only afford 1 not both.

Choice 1: Springfield Armory M1a, like new, mid 80s, all USGI parts

Choice 2: A mid 50s M1 National Match Garand, brand new, he had it built to shoot in Camp Perry matches but never got the chance.

What does Calguns say?

Olav
09-21-2012, 8:02 PM
You buy one
I buy the other

gotshotgun?
09-21-2012, 8:06 PM
M1a all usgi for sure

cabinetguy
09-21-2012, 8:06 PM
I want to know the price. Based on what info you gave I would go with the garand

bubbapug1
09-21-2012, 8:13 PM
Find someone to loan you the cash and buy both.

If you can only buy one the M1a in 308 is a better match rifle as it has better sights and a magazine. Garands in 308 are excellent, but still not as user freindly as the M1a.

russ69
09-21-2012, 8:34 PM
If the Garand is a full blown NM and not a Garand match rifle with a stock barrel, it will be a better shooter.

russ69
09-21-2012, 8:35 PM
If you can only buy one the M1a in 308 is a better match rifle as it has better sights...

The Garand sights and the M1A sights are virtually identical.

Dirtbiker
09-21-2012, 8:41 PM
It's a complete NM including the gas cylinder, barrel, op rod, sights, and I believe trigger. What should I look for to be sure?

BrianRodela
09-21-2012, 8:45 PM
Go with a piece of history. The M1a can be bought anywhere, but the Garand on the other hand.....besides, I am sure your friend would have wanted it to be cared for by a buddy and not a stranger.

hbogart
09-21-2012, 8:46 PM
If you plan to shoot it much, I would buy the M1A. M1As can be pretty accurate if setup properly, and it will probably be easier to work on.

Fulton Armory sells new M1 Garands. Also, do a search on "M1 thumb".

m1match
09-21-2012, 8:51 PM
I would say the Garand, but if you can get more information on it, it could enhance the value and collectibility. True NM Garands were built in the 1950s and 1960s by Springfield Armory for the military. Some of them were sold directly to competititors by the CMP. If you have official paperwork documenting the provenance, these are very valuable and collectible. If not, then it would be nice to know who built your Garand. I have three match tuned Garands, full match builds done by the late Don McCoy, a double distinguished Navy shooter and armorer. His rifles shoot as well as any Garand and I used them to make Expert at NRA Highpower and Long Range.

Good builders of match tuned M1 Garands and match tuned M1As are getting fewer and fewer as the military trained armorers aren't getting any younger. My friend Don McCoy built my rifles about 12 years ago and he just passed away at the age of 93. USGI M1As are also very nice and are also valuable, but I'd have to lean towards the Garand for a rifle to collect and remember your friend.

Dirtbiker
09-21-2012, 8:51 PM
Also, do a search on "M1 thumb".

Thanks, I've owned Garands before and I'm always VERY careful.

FX-05 Xiuhcoatl
09-21-2012, 8:52 PM
+1 on the Garand

ocabj
09-21-2012, 8:52 PM
If it's a NM Garand, it's going to have 1/2MOA sights vs 1MOA on the USGI M1A/M14 clone.

I think it's more of a question of what you want to do with it.

If you want a general purpose rifle, the M1A is the way to go.

If you want something that is a fun, interesting rifle that is enjoyable to shoot at the range, the NM Garand is the way to go.

sunborder
09-21-2012, 8:59 PM
+1 for credit card/loan.

Either that, or find another shooter you know and respect, and get them in on the deal...preferably a younger one who will keep that rifle in service/in good repair for as long as possible. Maybe even a kid who will always treasure it...

OldShooter32
09-21-2012, 9:02 PM
Sounds as if it is a "standard" M1A vs. Narional Match Garand. Given that choice, I'd go with the Garand. A NM M1A would be my first choice though.

glockman19
09-21-2012, 9:14 PM
First, Sorry to hear about your friend.

AS for the rifles, If you can get both then take both...that way at least you can shoot them and decide what one is best for you.

Pthfndr
09-21-2012, 9:14 PM
The Garand with no hesitation.

Hoop
09-21-2012, 9:19 PM
Garand Garand Garand Garand Garand Garand...I mean seriously c'mon.

edit: in case you haven't figured it out...I would take the Garand.

Dirtbiker
09-21-2012, 9:19 PM
Thanks guys. I was leaning towards the garand anyway. I feel it is the more unique of the two.

Dinosaur Jr
09-21-2012, 9:29 PM
Wow...tough choice. Both great rifles...

bigdrunk92037
09-21-2012, 9:40 PM
Garand. Easy choice. M1A's like that come up for sale more often than Garands.

Horton Fenty
09-21-2012, 9:45 PM
I second what the people are saying about make your choice depending on what you want to do with it. If you want something to talk about and shoot a bit get the Garand. If you want something to use, abuse might be the better word, get the M1A.

30Cal
09-22-2012, 5:14 AM
Tough choice. But on the upside, you really can't lose either way.

Wish I had more choices like that.

Ronco
09-22-2012, 6:02 AM
I'd take the Garand.

Couple things to consider:
Ammo - 30-06 vs .308 (no big deal if you reload)
Feeding device - 8 round clips vs mags (mags aren't cheap)
Are you a collector? History: WW2/Korean vs Korean/Vietnam/Afghanistan


Like someone else said - sorry about your friend passing.

psubond
09-22-2012, 9:00 AM
i have a different take on it. if it was a close friend i'd buy the garand and do with it what he wanted to do and hadn't had the chance: take it and shoot it in a match. no matter how you do it'll be like you completed a mission for him and you were there together in spirit.

i'm a sentimental person though so take that with a grain of salt. i'll probably never deer hunt again unless my dad leaves me his old 760 game master 30-06. if he does i WILL take a white tail with it out of principle.


actually what i should do is plan a trip back to pa and hunt with him again...might just do that in the next year or two if i can afford it.

Legasat
09-22-2012, 9:42 AM
If you reload, probably the Garand.

If not, the M1A has LOTS more ammo choices available.

AVID HUNTER
09-22-2012, 9:48 AM
You can't have enough guns. Buy both! Have you ever regretted buying a gun? Have you ever regretted NOT buying a gun. I rest my case!

RugerNo1
09-22-2012, 9:59 AM
I'd take the Garand.

Couple things to consider:
Ammo - 30-06 vs .308 (no big deal if you reload)
Feeding device - 8 round clips vs mags (mags aren't cheap)
Are you a collector? History: WW2/Korean vs Korean/Vietnam/Afghanistan


Like someone else said - sorry about your friend passing.

The M14 did not serve in Korea. However, the M1 Garand did serve in Vietnam.

Army
09-22-2012, 11:20 AM
It's a choice between an uncommon, historical, collectable National Match rifle that was attached to a friend with a dream of going to Camp Perry to make more history; Or, a rifle that is still being made in record numbers you can find just about anywhere, anytime.

Um...duh?

mike_the_wino
09-22-2012, 11:27 AM
Whatever you do, I r super jelly. I would totally hop on that deal and snatch up both.

17+1
09-22-2012, 11:56 AM
Sounds as if it is a "standard" M1A vs. Narional Match Garand. Given that choice, I'd go with the Garand. A NM M1A would be my first choice though.

The Garand with no hesitation.

Garand Garand Garand Garand Garand Garand...I mean seriously c'mon.

edit: in case you haven't figured it out...I would take the Garand.

:iagree:

Hoop
09-22-2012, 10:42 PM
46grains AA2520, 168gr nosler custom comp, cci primer, whatever brass, soft shooting and accurate in my garand.

451040
09-23-2012, 12:41 AM
Choice 1: Springfield Armory M1a, like new, mid 80s, all USGI parts

CrippledPidgeon
09-23-2012, 1:58 AM
It's a choice between an uncommon, historical, collectable National Match rifle that was attached to a friend with a dream of going to Camp Perry to make more history; Or, a rifle that is still being made in record numbers you can find just about anywhere, anytime.


Best reason I've heard yet.

No one makes the Garand anymore, whereas M14 clones can be found all over the place. USGI M14 parts are nice, but there's still enough supply that those can be obtained and retrofitted fairly easily.

cannon
09-23-2012, 7:49 AM
It's a choice between an uncommon, historical, collectable National Match rifle that was attached to a friend with a dream of going to Camp Perry to make more history; Or, a rifle that is still being made in record numbers you can find just about anywhere, anytime.

Um...duh?

Nailed it.

Sorry you lost your buddy. That special Garand will always be a reminder of him.

Dirtbiker
09-23-2012, 10:43 AM
Thanks all. I took the NM Garand, the M1a went to another good friend so it will be cared for as well.

gwgn02
09-23-2012, 1:35 PM
Another happy ending!