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johncmng
09-19-2012, 7:43 PM
I can't believe HK's President went to Red Jacket???? Why? Is HK really out of touch with the public. Red Jacket is an assemble house. They don't make guns. There not even a real firearm maker. They just mod a few things and put their stamp on it. For HK to go their, they have really lowered their standard. If they wanted to get publicity, why? They don't like to sell to civilian. OK, they sell the 416 and the 417. But look how long it took them. If HK wanted to sell their guns to the civy guys, why not bring back a modify version of the MP5, HK93, HK94,...... All other vendor had modify or just renamed their gun so it's legal in the U.S. or California. Think DPMS Panther, didn't they just renamed it. Anyways, just venting. I am a hard core HK fan but I am slowing loosing interest in them because I can't buy a MP7!!!!

Josh3239
09-19-2012, 7:52 PM
Is HK really out of touch with the public?

If you have to ask, yes they are. If you get a chance to talk to a dealer, ask them how H&K reps (like the ones at SHOT) treat them. Those guys have an attitude, their stuff is the best, better than everyones and unless your an operator you shouldn't be allowed to touch their stuff. If you do you are lucky. H&K's unofficial motto is "you suck and we hate you". Seriously their products are overrated anyways.

starsnuffer
09-19-2012, 8:16 PM
Everyone at HKUSA is a salesperson. Salespeople are, um, not the best examples of the homo sapien species. HK USA has very little to do with the guys building and designing the weapons in Germany.

So yeah, when you have salespeople, you're going to get stupid decisions for the purpose of marketing.

The show is a joke. They cut down the barrel on an HK416, when they could have just ordered one with a short barrel, bolted some crap on it, and "opened up a whole new market".

-W

MrPlink
09-19-2012, 8:24 PM
Because you suck and its a game changer...


Maybe FNH Usa can pay Gunsmoke a visit

pyro3k2
09-19-2012, 9:15 PM
As much as I hate to do this, it was probably a good idea for H&K to do that. It's amazing advertising, lets take Future Weapons for example. Was that show cheesy as ****? yes, but look at the interest it made for H&K, LWRC, and other such companies. Lets be honest how many people know about LWRC BEFORE that show?

Holescreek
09-19-2012, 9:20 PM
Brings up memories of one of my favorite rants: http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/hk-because-you-suck-and-we-hate-you/

Dhena81
09-19-2012, 9:27 PM
Because you suck and its a game changer...




:rofl:

alfred1222
09-19-2012, 9:31 PM
hK is over rated and most all dealers hate them, but now that they are on red jacket, most people who don't know sh*t about guns want an hK 416

Capybara
09-19-2012, 9:33 PM
HK reminds me of Sony. I used to work in consumer electronics in the 80s, then professional broadcast in the 90s and have dealt with many Sony reps. They always had the same motto, "you suck and we hate you...because we are Sony".

Look at them now, Sony is going through hard times. If you treat your customers like an inconvenience, sooner or later it will catch up to you.

I like HKs but they are waaaaay overrated and over priced.

safewaysecurity
09-19-2012, 9:36 PM
hk=anti-gun. I've seen their guns, they perform well and I would love to have one but I cannot support an anti-gun company.

kurac
09-19-2012, 9:51 PM
Applied Materials is another company with an everyone else sucks mentality, at trade shows you don't even have to look at their badge to figure out where they work.

NorCalXJ
09-19-2012, 10:01 PM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBCZuj5Eja0

ExtremeX
09-19-2012, 10:02 PM
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/10479665.jpg

firebert
09-19-2012, 10:02 PM
I'm actually more disappointed in Kriss

SCZ
09-19-2012, 10:04 PM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBCZuj5Eja0

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edit- meh.... must have been a browser issue.. your link is working now

NorCalXJ
09-19-2012, 10:05 PM
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TY still figuring out this site.

phdo
09-19-2012, 10:07 PM
Screw HK. Never owned one and won't unless it's used and it's a deal.

Droppin Deuces
09-19-2012, 10:25 PM
hK is over rated and most all dealers hate them, but now that they are on red jacket, most people who don't know sh*t about guns want an hK 416

Are you trying to tell us this wasn't already the case?

MikeR
09-19-2012, 10:29 PM
I own 2 HK products. Well not really, SG is made by Benelli, MP5 made by MKE. That video is ****ing hilarious, edit fail!

So suck it HK, If I wanted an $800 pistol with a crap trigger I would just go buy 2 Glocks.

I used to deal with some Alpine reps like that, then they went all main stream trying to sell to everyone and their products became crap for the most part ....kinda like Mercedes Benz.

alfred1222
09-19-2012, 10:31 PM
no im saying that there was a point to it. hK found a way to get all of the armchair commandos into gun stores by showing them a product that has a lot of hype behind it, and making them believe that if they can buy one they can be "operators" as well

SA227driver
09-19-2012, 11:38 PM
My friend works for the LA Sheriff's in their S.E.B. and I got to shoot his HK 416 short barrel on full auto and I don't think I've grinned so much in my life. It's truly is a great rifle, but as mentioned earlier the salespeople need to learn some people skills.

BigRobb
09-19-2012, 11:50 PM
Salespeople are, um, not the best examples of the homo sapien species.
-W

Hey how are you doing? I've spent many years in sales being a salesman. Hard work and rewarding work. Great money if you're good. Not ALL salespeople are evil underlings that prey on the weak.

I too, also feel this Red Jacket thing is fail. It's like the Jersey Shore of guns. WHY?!

10mm
09-19-2012, 11:52 PM
If you have to ask, yes they are. If you get a chance to talk to a dealer, ask them how H&K reps (like the ones at SHOT) treat them. Those guys have an attitude, their stuff is the best, better than everyones and unless your an operator you shouldn't be allowed to touch their stuff. If you do you are lucky. H&K's unofficial motto is "you suck and we hate you". Seriously their products are overrated anyways.

You sound like Jerry Tsai:eek:

penguinofsleep
09-19-2012, 11:58 PM
agreed, red jacket definitely wasn't a good move for them. show had some potential, but "tv" kind of ruined it imo.

Saw this on madogre.com. Full link here as well. Perhaps HK cannot be solely to blame for everything. socialist German gubbament dun want me buy no guns??:

http://madogre.com/?p=3410
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Some guys have blamed HK for this because they will not sell the MP7 to Civilians. This is unfair to HK. I sat in a meeting with the President of HK, and I spoke with him personally about the whole “You Suck and We Hate You” thing. Yes, HK is very well aware of Master Correia’s thrashing of them, and admitted that it was actually justified. He stressed the lengths they are going to to try to turn that image around. As a dealer, I have seen the results of their efforts. Calling up HK now is like calling up a totally different company. According to German Law – HK is based in Germany after all – they are not allowed to sell the MP7 to Civilians. German Law says because such weapons have no sporting purpose they can’t export them to the US… unless it’s to a Law Enforcement Agency. So it’s not HK saying that you suck and they hate you – It’s the German Government saying you suck and they hate you. The president of HK would love to sell you and me and our friends, HK MP7′s and SL8 rifles with full magazine capacities. Of course they would… they are a Commercial Company. They want to make money.
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That being said, although I like my HK firearm and it performs well, it was definitely overpriced for what it is and I do agree their products are over hyped and... poorly marketed. Based on their marketing behind their products and some HK owners I've seen/met, probably marketed by d-bags w/o much people skills for the armchair commando types or those "no im the big man i do what i want because im right and i say so and do it right now" types.

Bought their product anyways b/c i dont buy my firearms for their marketing (or lack thereof), i buy them b/c they provide what i was looking for and work for me.

Socalmp5
09-20-2012, 1:13 AM
agreed, red jacket definitely wasn't a good move for them. show had some potential, but "tv" kind of ruined it imo.

Saw this on madogre.com. Full link here as well. Perhaps HK cannot be solely to blame for everything. socialist German gubbament dun want me buy no guns??:

http://madogre.com/?p=3410
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Some guys have blamed HK for this because they will not sell the MP7 to Civilians. This is unfair to HK. I sat in a meeting with the President of HK, and I spoke with him personally about the whole “You Suck and We Hate You” thing. Yes, HK is very well aware of Master Correia’s thrashing of them, and admitted that it was actually justified. He stressed the lengths they are going to to try to turn that image around. As a dealer, I have seen the results of their efforts. Calling up HK now is like calling up a totally different company. According to German Law – HK is based in Germany after all – they are not allowed to sell the MP7 to Civilians. German Law says because such weapons have no sporting purpose they can’t export them to the US… unless it’s to a Law Enforcement Agency. So it’s not HK saying that you suck and they hate you – It’s the German Government saying you suck and they hate you. The president of HK would love to sell you and me and our friends, HK MP7′s and SL8 rifles with full magazine capacities. Of course they would… they are a Commercial Company. They want to make money.
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That being said, although I like my HK firearm and it performs well, it was definitely overpriced for what it is and I do agree their products are over hyped and... poorly marketed. Based on their marketing behind their products and some HK owners I've seen/met, probably marketed by d-bags w/o much people skills for the armchair commando types or those "no im the big man i do what i want because im right and i say so and do it right now" types.

Bought their product anyways b/c i dont buy my firearms for their marketing (or lack thereof), i buy them b/c they provide what i was looking for and work for me.

How would they sell them all German made and no 922r anyway? So who cares what Germany says...then There's no sporting purpose for a Civilian g36, 416, ump But-they sells those... Wait don't they have a us hk? Hmmm :cool:

MrPlink
09-20-2012, 1:38 AM
^ funny thing about that idea is look at FN. They do the inverse. Mil scars are made here and civi models are imported. (yes I know why)

RT13
09-20-2012, 1:59 AM
HK makes good weapons but they are not the best, just the most overrated. They over price everything to fool people to think they are the best since the sheeple will figure if it cost more it's better, lol. Those Hk USA reps were a joke. I'm more surprised about Chis Kyle the SEAL for going o RJ.

That episode was such a joke. Let's bring an Hk 416 into the shop and throw an Eotech and a bunch of Magpul stuff on it and stamp it as Red Jacket lol. I could have done all that in my kitchen table. It's not a gunsmith or gun shop. It's a slap & chop shop. RJ is such a joke, I only watch it to laugh and see guns at the same time.

Ryan in SD
09-20-2012, 2:01 AM
HK who?

Maybe the guy just wanted to be a TV star.

Thordo
09-20-2012, 5:51 AM
Applied Materials is another company with an everyone else sucks mentality, at trade shows you don't even have to look at their badge to figure out where they work.

MAN YOU ARE RIGHT!! I can tell you some nightmare stories about Applied Materials from the supply side that'll make your skin crawl!!

Thordo

Bobby Hated
09-20-2012, 6:11 AM
i can just see some dumb*** walk into a real gun store and say, i want one of those HK416's i saw on sons of guns. theyre the best rifle inthe world. even the navy seals say so.

ha ha ha. what a joke. that show is a class A circus act.

lilro
09-20-2012, 6:51 AM
LOL @ that video. They could've at least used a Baby Eagle if she was scared of the recoil.

CSACANNONEER
09-20-2012, 6:56 AM
Who's out of touch? While I don't like the show or respect the ACTORS/gunsmiths(?), you might be surprised to know just how many in the industry seem to. The RJ crew goes to SHOT and people who are in the industry flock to them for autographs. I've seen +30 minute lines just to get them to sign something. So, while you (just an average shooter) may not be impressed with RJ, many people who make their livings from firearms appear to disagree with you.

henmar77
09-20-2012, 7:05 AM
Who's out of touch? While I don't like the show or respect the ACTORS/gunsmiths(?), you might be surprised to know just how many in the industry seem to. The RJ crew goes to SHOT and people who are in the industry flock to them for autographs. I've seen +30 minute lines just to get them to sign something. So, while you (just an average shooter) may not be impressed with RJ, many people who make their livings from firearms appear to disagree with you.

That's great, so there are bigger idiots then them making guns? That douchbag ahole and his mentally challenged son in law wouldn't have a change in hell getting that kind of business without that show.

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P.Charm
09-20-2012, 7:10 AM
That's great, so there are bigger idiots then them making guns? That douchbag ahole and his mentally challenged son in law wouldn't have a change in hell getting that kind of business without that show.

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they would still have a store and still sell guns. just not as many. I know of alot of gun stores that do what they do even less than what they do and their doors are still open.

starsnuffer
09-20-2012, 7:24 AM
Who's out of touch? While I don't like the show or respect the ACTORS/gunsmiths(?), you might be surprised to know just how many in the industry seem to. The RJ crew goes to SHOT and people who are in the industry flock to them for autographs. I've seen +30 minute lines just to get them to sign something. So, while you (just an average shooter) may not be impressed with RJ, many people who make their livings from firearms appear to disagree with you.

The people "in the industry" at SHOT are press and salespeople. Enough said.

I'm not a dealer. I know that on the 2 occasions I've called HK for support they picked up the phone quickly, answered my questions, and immediately shipped me a new hammer for my USP at no charge when I needed one.

Of course they are overpriced. Any time you are going to buy an import firearm it is going to be overpriced. The sheer bureaucratic nightmare of dealing with the gun laws in multiple countries is going to add a premium any way you cut it. It's a real shame that the Army's IC competition is a sham with no hope of replacing the aging M4 platform, because getting 416's built here in the US by multiple manufacturers would actually be the solution for said problem.

-W

Capybara
09-20-2012, 7:35 AM
Yeah, Snooki from Jersey Shore also has lines of people for her autograph. It's called the "cult of personality" and stupid people are drawn to it. Huge swaths of our society are drawn toward "reality" celebrities, even if they are functionally retarded as are most of the RJ crew. This says more about our idiotic society than the anointed reality stars who benefit from it.

P.Charm
09-20-2012, 7:39 AM
Yeah, Snooki from Jersey Shore also has lines of people for her autograph. It's called the "cult of personality" and stupid people are drawn to it. Huge swaths of our society are drawn toward "reality" celebrities, even if they are functionally retarded as are most of the RJ crew. This says more about our idiotic society than the anointed reality stars who benefit from it.

who is the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?

-Obi Wan Kenobe

CSACANNONEER
09-20-2012, 8:36 AM
Yeah, Snooki from Jersey Shore also has lines of people for her autograph. It's called the "cult of personality" and stupid people are drawn to it. Huge swaths of our society are drawn toward "reality" celebrities, even if they are functionally retarded as are most of the RJ crew. This says more about our idiotic society than the anointed reality stars who benefit from it.

Who the hell is Snooki? OK, I know she's on some stupid show that I've never seen. I guess I'm not a normal member of society since, I wouldn't recognize her if she was wearing a name tag.

Full Clip
09-20-2012, 8:45 AM
HK on SoG is weird pandering to an audience they don't even really sell guns to.... but not surprising. I guess I'll look forward to seeing HK sponsor a theme bike on American Chopper.... (Ha!)

defcon
09-20-2012, 8:57 AM
Who the hell is Snooki? OK, I know she's on some stupid show that I've never seen. I guess I'm not a normal member of society since, I wouldn't recognize her if she was wearing a name tag.

This is snooki

http://www.thecaptainsmemos.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/10dumb/Snooki3.jpg

chead
09-20-2012, 9:11 AM
So suck it HK, If I wanted an $800 pistol with a crap trigger I would just go buy 2 Glocks.

Haha this is so good, I think it's goin' in my sig :)

Dhena81
09-20-2012, 9:16 AM
In regards to RJ for all we know the producers are making calls on what they think as producers would appeal to the audience. I watch the show and have laughs about the absurd things they do. But at the end of the day I think its good if even just a handful of people that would never have had any interest in guns one day went to a LGS and bought a firearm and became a part of our interest and maybe cause.

HKDoc
09-20-2012, 10:55 AM
The show is for entertainment. It's not a documentary.

If there weren't larger than life characters, we'd complain it was boring and the show would be cancelled.

Good for hk to get more publicity for one of their products. For a while I thought the mr556 would be released with a non mil spec upper and only take proprietary mags. Maybe they are changing for the better.

nitroxdiver
09-20-2012, 11:04 AM
Yea, silly show, sillier episode. But hey, at least it's a minstream tv show about guns. I still watch it from time to time, and chuckle at the absurdity of some of their "projects".

I'm a big fan of Dr. William Atwater on the History chan. I could listen to him talk about firearms for hours. I'm sure there are plenty of haters about him though too.

Full Clip
09-20-2012, 11:10 AM
I'm a big fan of Dr. William Atwater on the History chan. I could listen to him talk about firearms for hours. I'm sure there are plenty of haters about him though too.

He's awesome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Atwater_(curator)).

tacticalcity
09-20-2012, 11:21 AM
Eh, it's publicity. The show has a decent enough fan base to keep them on the air, and that fan base are potential customers.

The fact that this post is on page 2 is enough to say it worked. That's buzz. Whether you rave or rant...you're still talking about them instead of something else. And while 99% of the people here are complaining, most of you qualify your remarks with something nice to say about HK. Either you like their quality, or their guns, or have something else nice to say...you just don't like their practices or their prices. To the outside observer the subliminal message there is that HK guns are the Lamborgini of the gun world. Hard to get, overpriced, and a major hassle in every way...but all that much cooler to own as a result. I don't agree with that message. To me they are nice, they make OK guns and a few would be nice to own but there are better guns out there I would like to own more (and in many cases I do). But the subtext from this thread makes them seem cool, and all of look like typical haters. And nobody takes a hater seriously. So even when you hate on them it works in their favor. If they hadn't gone on the show, this thread wouldn't be here at all and you would be bashing some other brand. So they win.

penguinofsleep
09-20-2012, 12:29 PM
How would they sell them all German made and no 922r anyway? So who cares what Germany says...then There's no sporting purpose for a Civilian g36, 416, ump But-they sells those... Wait don't they have a us hk? Hmmm :cool:

just another layer of onion to peel back imo.

different note:
i thought the mil scars were made in the US to help with procurement as all gov bids highly favor things made in the US. no idea why they don't make the civ scars here too though (ie a political or legal issue or a simple technical issue like the facility and assembly line is already maxed out). definitely wouldn't mind seeing more us made products, but aside from the political and legal issues associated with importing (esp for firearms), i see no advantage for having something that is working perfectly fine overseas duplicated here aside from creating some jobs in america. matter of fact id imagine they'd have a lot more issues to sort out the first few years.

penguinofsleep
09-20-2012, 12:35 PM
Eh, it's publicity. The show has a decent enough fan base to keep them on the air, and that fan base are potential customers.

The fact that this post is on page 2 is enough to say it worked. That's buzz. Whether you rave or rant...you're still talking about them instead of something else. And while 99% of the people here are complaining, most of you qualify your remarks with something nice to say about HK. Either you like their quality, or their guns, or have something else nice to say...you just don't like their practices or their prices. To the outside observer the subliminal message there is that HK guns are the Lamborgini of the gun world. Hard to get, overpriced, and a major hassle in every way...but all that much cooler to own as a result. I don't agree with that message. To me they are nice, they make OK guns and a few would be nice to own but there are better guns out there I would like to own more (and in many cases I do). But the subtext from this thread makes them seem cool, and all of look like typical haters. And nobody takes a hater seriously. So even when you hate on them it works in their favor. If they hadn't gone on the show, this thread wouldn't be here at all and you would be bashing some other brand. So they win.

true.

odysseus
09-20-2012, 12:38 PM
Finally, a refreshing post in this thread.

Eh, it's publicity. The show has a decent enough fan base to keep them on the air, and that fan base are potential customers.

The fact that this post is on page 2 is enough to say it worked. That's buzz. Whether you rave or rant...you're still talking about them instead of something else. And while 99% of the people here are complaining, most of you qualify your remarks with something nice to say about HK. Either you like their quality, or their guns, or have something else nice to say...you just don't like their practices or their prices. To the outside observer the subliminal message there is that HK guns are the Lamborgini of the gun world. Hard to get, overpriced, and a major hassle in every way...but all that much cooler to own as a result. I don't agree with that message. To me they are nice, they make OK guns and a few would be nice to own but there are better guns out there I would like to own more (and in many cases I do). But the subtext from this thread makes them seem cool, and all of look like typical haters. And nobody takes a hater seriously. So even when you hate on them it works in their favor. If they hadn't gone on the show, this thread wouldn't be here at all and you would be bashing some other brand. So they win.

mariley85
09-20-2012, 2:01 PM
aside from the hk debacle and bad editing with the beretta, who else noticed he make her a short barreled rifle and no mention of an nfa trust, tax stamp, or 9 month wait?

Chameleon Loco
09-20-2012, 2:20 PM
I always laught how will thinks he is a B.A.M.F. when he doesnt even have an FFL. It was taken away from him because 10-15 semiautomatic rifles were "missing" from the shop when ATF paid him a visit. No mater how bad it is though, at least there are a few gun shows on tv which make people intrested in buying firearms and enjoying their second ammendment rights. Now hk on the other hand is a superb weapons maker and though their products are a little on the pricey side I think they are worth it. My dad's hk usp compact is one my favorite guns to shoot. I know when I am older I will have a few hk firearms, but not to many or I will have to declare bankrupcy.:)

RodFromGod86
09-20-2012, 8:00 PM
I talked to a couple of South African and Rhodesian infantrymen and their opinions of HK weaponry wasn't the kindest, namely the G3 and MP5s being jam-o-matics. They did however have high remarks for FN.

fullrearview
09-20-2012, 8:07 PM
hK is over rated and most all dealers hate them, but now that they are on red jacket, most people who don't know sh*t about guns want an hK 416

Great! I hate HK, and hopefully, that will free up parts from American companies that I want to support!

hoss_hk
09-20-2012, 8:07 PM
Finally, a refreshing post in this thread.

True.

fullrearview
09-20-2012, 8:08 PM
aside from the hk debacle and bad editing with the beretta, who else noticed he make her a short barreled rifle and no mention of an nfa trust, tax stamp, or 9 month wait?

That's probably more of the networks agenda... SEE its so easy to get these evil things!

Hughes500Pilot
09-20-2012, 9:15 PM
How come every time I turn on Sons of Guns they grinding the hell of of stuff. Really? Every gun that goes in there gets half its mass ground away... Sparks are always flying across the shop!

The second thing I noticed is if someone gets mad about something, they take a $1000 gun and throw it across the table. Come on, thats someones pride and joy they are supposed to be fixing. But instead they throw it across the table and let it slam down. Holy smokes!

I will never be doing business with them. I wont risk someone having a bad day destroy my gun.

-Steve

P.S. And they still dont even have a proper gunsmith in the shop... But they are taking applications...

HKDoc
09-21-2012, 10:36 AM
Finally got to see the show last night. I liked it because they showed Chris Kyle in action, a true American hero. Was nice to have CEO of hk USA to come on the show to showcase a fine product, hk mr556.

These hk bashing threads crack me up. Everyone's got a story about how their friends cousin had a bad experience. Or how they have a much better rifle at half the cost. However, the rifle that was carried by the tip of our military's spear was an hk416. And the closest that we can get is the mr556.

Which by the way continues to climb in value. They are now going for 3200 to 3500 on gb now. Can someone tell me how these other better rifles are doing in value?

hornswaggled
09-21-2012, 11:44 AM
I actually very much enjoyed the Chris Kyle portions of the show. The HK commercial parts were annoying, but hey, gotta pay the bills.

Anything to get firearms into mainstream television and media is fine by me, reality show or not. Hearts and minds, people.

A-J
09-21-2012, 12:41 PM
I can't believe HK's President went to Red Jacket???? Why? Is HK really out of touch with the public. Red Jacket is an assemble house. They don't make guns. There not even a real firearm maker. They just mod a few things and put their stamp on it. For HK to go their, they have really lowered their standard. If they wanted to get publicity, why? They don't like to sell to civilian. OK, they sell the 416 and the 417. But look how long it took them. If HK wanted to sell their guns to the civy guys, why not bring back a modify version of the MP5, HK93, HK94,...... All other vendor had modify or just renamed their gun so it's legal in the U.S. or California. Think DPMS Panther, didn't they just renamed it. Anyways, just venting. I am a hard core HK fan but I am slowing loosing interest in them because I can't buy a MP7!!!!

Actually, if you look at it from a business perspective, it was damn smart of him to go on the show. Even if he had to give them 2 guns, he got nearly 45 minutes of advertising out of the deal, along with a ringing endorsement form a retired Navy SEAL. A typical 30 second tv commercial slot can be from several hundred to tens of thousands of dollars during non-super bowl times. That doesn't sound stupid to me - it sounds like a big time win for them.

durandal
09-21-2012, 12:47 PM
It's a German company.. We cant expect them to behave any differently..

seainc
09-21-2012, 12:57 PM
I don't have cable at home, where can I watch this show on the internet?

CSACANNONEER
09-21-2012, 1:27 PM
aside from the hk debacle and bad editing with the beretta, who else noticed he make her a short barreled rifle and no mention of an nfa trust, tax stamp, or 9 month wait?

Not an issue. It probably stays on the FFL's books and in the inventory. So, no tax stamp, no wait and of course, no trust. In fact, most NFA firearms are owned by individuals and not trusts.

starsnuffer
09-21-2012, 1:29 PM
If you watch carefully, you'll see that while they cut a barrel during the show, the gun fired at the end was actually a factory HK416 with a factory 10.5" barrel. It's all smoke and mirrors. For the person wanting to watch on the internet, you can watch on Amazon for $1.99 a show I believe.

-W

zfields
09-21-2012, 1:31 PM
If you watch carefully, you'll see that while they cut a barrel during the show, the gun fired at the end was actually a factory HK416 with a factory 10.5" barrel. It's all smoke and mirrors. For the person wanting to watch on the internet, you can watch on Amazon for $1.99 a show I believe.

-W

Or you can just headbutt a brick wall for free, same effect....completely mind numbing.

starsnuffer
09-21-2012, 1:36 PM
I agree. That said, I'm originally from Florida, and I miss being amused by the brain-addled local fauna so sometimes watching the shows the Discovery channel puts on showcasing said inhabitants brings me to smirk with nostalgia.

-W

johncmng
09-21-2012, 1:50 PM
Actually, if you look at it from a business perspective, it was damn smart of him to go on the show. Even if he had to give them 2 guns, he got nearly 45 minutes of advertising out of the deal, along with a ringing endorsement form a retired Navy SEAL. A typical 30 second tv commercial slot can be from several hundred to tens of thousands of dollars during non-super bowl times. That doesn't sound stupid to me - it sounds like a big time win for them.

They could have picked a better show. American guns comes into mind. Or an American Chopper theme bike. :kest: Hahahahahahaha

johncmng
09-21-2012, 1:51 PM
Or Stars Earns Stripe. Love Eve Torres

Ryan in SD
09-21-2012, 3:42 PM
These hk bashing threads crack me up. Everyone's got a story about how their friends cousin had a bad experience. Or how they have a much better rifle at half the cost. However, the rifle that was carried by the tip of our military's spear was an hk416. And the closest that we can get is the mr556.

Which by the way continues to climb in value. They are now going for 3200 to 3500 on gb now. Can someone tell me how these other better rifles are doing in value?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-L-DIHLEU9d8/TaeNUyA1aoI/AAAAAAAAADQ/vvYktLxihOs/s1600/Disregard+Females%252C+Acquire+Currency.jpg

Hoop
09-21-2012, 6:45 PM
Was that the show that put a quad rail on a tommy gun? Talk about heresy!

CrippledPidgeon
09-21-2012, 7:18 PM
Was that the show that put a quad rail on a tommy gun? Talk about heresy!

Yea, except that it was a semi-auto Auto Ordnance repro that they inexplicably modified to be fully automatic for a law enforcement agency that could probably just as easily have procured an HK UMP. Or an MP5. Or a P90. Or an MP7. Or an M4 carbine... You know, something designed to do what he wants, rather than modifying something that was redesigned to NOT do exactly what he wants.

Droppin Deuces
09-21-2012, 8:01 PM
Finally got to see the show last night. I liked it because they showed Chris Kyle in action, a true American hero. Was nice to have CEO of hk USA to come on the show to showcase a fine product, hk mr556.

These hk bashing threads crack me up. Everyone's got a story about how their friends cousin had a bad experience. Or how they have a much better rifle at half the cost. However, the rifle that was carried by the tip of our military's spear was an hk416. And the closest that we can get is the mr556.

Which by the way continues to climb in value. They are now going for 3200 to 3500 on gb now. Can someone tell me how these other better rifles are doing in value?

That doesn't always mean what you think it means. Volkswagen Vanogans keep climbing in value, too. Does that mean Delta and SEALs are going to start putting armor and machine gun turrets on them?

HKDoc
09-21-2012, 8:27 PM
Really? I think it means that it is a solid rifle and people see value in it. Supply is scarce and demand is high.

Do you have a better explanation?

SCZ
09-21-2012, 8:39 PM
Sure it's a plug for HK, sure it's edited, sure some of the segments are likely reenactments of actual transactions or possibly even completely fabricated.

Bottom line, it gives me the opportunity to say to friends/family... "Hey did you see the show last night? yadda.. yadda.. I'll take you shooting sometime."

By showing firearms in a "safe and fun environment" it demystifies them for alot of people who had only previously seen them the news when someone bad happens.

It's really nice when you have the opportunity to take your HR manager out shooting for her first time, because she saw that they can be fun and safe on the TV. Turns out she's a pretty good shot with a .357 revolver.

HKDoc
09-21-2012, 8:45 PM
I agree completely. By talking with our coworkers and taking them out to the range, we promote gun safety and a new appreciation for firearms.

Even though there are a lot of inconsistencies, the show is fun to watch.

Droppin Deuces
09-21-2012, 8:58 PM
Really? I think it means that it is a solid rifle and people see value in it. Supply is scarce and demand is high.

Do you have a better explanation?

Yes. People watch too much TV.

HKDoc
09-21-2012, 9:46 PM
That's funny, you got me figured out. To some of my colleagues that have actually served at trauma surgeons overseas, I refer to myself as the arm chair general. Everything useful regarding firearms I learned from the history channel, friends and mostly the Internet.

Loubot10
09-21-2012, 10:02 PM
I can't believe HK's President went to Red Jacket???? Why? Is HK really out of touch with the public. Red Jacket is an assemble house. They don't make guns. There not even a real firearm maker. They just mod a few things and put their stamp on it. For HK to go their, they have really lowered their standard. If they wanted to get publicity, why? They don't like to sell to civilian. OK, they sell the 416 and the 417. But look how long it took them. If HK wanted to sell their guns to the civy guys, why not bring back a modify version of the MP5, HK93, HK94,...... All other vendor had modify or just renamed their gun so it's legal in the U.S. or California. Think DPMS Panther, didn't they just renamed it. Anyways, just venting. I am a hard core HK fan but I am slowing loosing interest in them because I can't buy a MP7!!!!

Too deep. President probably got caught with his pants down and got forced to leave with golden umbrella.

As far as the Civilian market, look at it this way:

If you sell one million rifles to a government, you have 1 client and limited exposure.

You sell the same quantity to the general public and you have one million times the exposure (occurance).

To limit this you need to adopt a "controlled" sales posture so as not to be accused of being over eager and forcing your death tools onto an innocent but scared public. Just my opinion.

fullrearview
09-21-2012, 10:05 PM
Yea, except that it was a semi-auto Auto Ordnance repro that they inexplicably modified to be fully automatic for a law enforcement agency that could probably just as easily have procured an HK UMP. Or an MP5. Or a P90. Or an MP7. Or an M4 carbine... You know, something designed to do what he wants, rather than modifying something that was redesigned to NOT do exactly what he wants.

Some CLEO's have ideas, and when they are the man, no one will change their minds... Trust me, I have seen the wrath.

Josh3239
09-22-2012, 12:45 PM
You sound like Jerry Tsai:eek:

Sarcasm guy, sarcasm. And yes Jerry Tsai did say something similiar. Where did he get that line from? He got that line from H&K. While we are on H&K and Jerry Tsai, the MP7 is a large clunky pistol with a buttstock that was chambered it a round that was essentially H&K's knockoff of a 5.7 and next to the 5.7 it is a failure. As I said, H&K is overrated. They made the MP5 decades ago, which was their most popular and best gun, since then they've been making mostly overrated, overpriced, guns with very limited success. A few innnovative and interesting stuff here and there, none were sucessful.

bubbapug1
09-25-2012, 8:34 PM
HK is junk? WOW, I didn't get that memo. My HK USC's are the most reliable guns I own. They shoot anything.