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gunfan74
09-19-2012, 8:17 PM
Hello, currently I own 2 different 12ga shotguns, one 1100, and an older Remington made in 1906, not sure what model. I'd like to get a reliable shotgun for home defense, I'm thinking about a couple different mossberg models, I think the 500 and 590 are nice enough but don't know how reliable they are, I have heard that Remington 870 is very reliable. I need help! It must be a budget minded boomer preferably with a tactical influence, must be 12 gauge, pump action, and able to accept 3" magnum shells. Any advice? Post pics and list components if you like.

M27
09-19-2012, 8:25 PM
I am an 870 or 11-87 guy personally. But as the first post, by the end of this thread you will find out that it all come down to personal preference.

gunfan74
09-19-2012, 8:34 PM
I have an 1100 but it has either a 24" or 26" barrel I think, also I don't want to rely solely on the gas recoil system for HD

Javi
09-19-2012, 8:35 PM
Can't go wrong with either. The Mossberg 500 has been around since 1960 and is being used in the military(something more like the 590a1) so they're good to go. The 870 & 500 have some differences in ergonomics which would have you leaning more towards one over the other.

Sheperd80
09-19-2012, 8:38 PM
Cant go wrong with any of those. Ive shot em all, and ive never seen any of em jam or fail. I chose a 590 for the extra capacity, ghost ring sights and bayonet lug. I think its the most versatile choice out of the box.

500 is a little cheaper, and has lower capacity than 590 and some downgraded materials but its still solid in my experience. And it comes with 2 barrels.

And i dont think ive heard 1 bad comment about an 870...ever. Myself included. You cant miss man.

As far as reliability, just read about what the army went through trying to decide between the 590 and 870. Theyre both solid as hell.

SCZ
09-19-2012, 8:39 PM
...by the end of this thread you will find out that it all come down to personal preference.

Well said. I went for the 590 myself, but for every Mossberg fan there's a Remington fan.

Having said that I think Big5 has a deal on the 590 blued for $400ish through this weekend iirc.

Javi
09-19-2012, 8:43 PM
500 is a little cheaper, and has lower capacity than 590 and some downgraded materials but its still solid in my experience. And it comes with 2 barrels.


I believe you can't add a extended magazine tube to the 500, right? Unless you buy this conversion that replaces the magazine tube & barrel which at that point, you might as well get a model Mossberg that allows an extension in the first place. I heard that from a video made in 2011 so I don't know if that changed.

gunfan74
09-19-2012, 9:23 PM
Any preferences on winchesters older w1200 or the current Super X Defender?

Travis590A1
09-19-2012, 9:51 PM
590a1/end thread

Thefeeder
09-19-2012, 10:01 PM
Browning A-5 Buck Special.......Bada Bing !

smittty
09-19-2012, 10:42 PM
Mossberg 930 Home Security and if you have a few extra $ get the 930SPX.

Legasat
09-19-2012, 10:54 PM
You can't go wrong either way. 590 or 870.

beretta929mm
09-19-2012, 11:17 PM
I have a Moss 590A1
My friend has a Rem 870

After playing with both, I have to say I personally prefer the Moss 500/590
1. Location of safety
2. Loaction of slide release
3. On Moss 500/590, you do not have to cock the internal hammer/rack the slide to load a round into the magazine.

My 2 cents before bed time, yawn...

1911RONIN
09-19-2012, 11:20 PM
Benelli Super Nova?

SCZ
09-19-2012, 11:21 PM
I believe you can't add a extended magazine tube to the 500, right? Unless you buy this conversion that replaces the magazine tube & barrel which at that point, you might as well get a model Mossberg that allows an extension in the first place. I heard that from a video made in 2011 so I don't know if that changed.

If I did my homework correctly, essentially yes.

http://www.shotgunworld.com or http://www.mossbergowners.com had a good write up on the differences.

But as I recall...

The 500 uses only 1 action bar, the mag tube endcap is affixed to the barrels, and has only 1 ejector, otherwise it's the same design as the 590.

The big advantage to the 500 is the availability of barrels, the big advantage of the 590 is capacity. The 590 has some bits that are plastic (safety switch and trigger guard iirc) which are metal on the A1 and the barrel wall is thicker on the A1.

Regarding barrels for the 590, I've read a number of places you can use 830 barrels, but due to the position of the barrel ring on the mag tube you may have to get the 5 round tube (if you have the 8 round tube) to use the 830 barrels.


Regardless of which way you go (Remington or Mossberg) you'll do fine. Pick whichever "feels" best, and break it in a bit before you start swapping out/bolting on parts. And earmark some cash for a GOOD light, don't skimp out if your primary concern is HD.

penguinofsleep
09-20-2012, 12:42 AM
i'd try both and see which one has better ergos for you.

ie i like the 870 if it will have a pistol grip and the 500/590 if it is going to be a traditional stock.

HatersLOVEme : )
09-20-2012, 1:07 AM
Buy both thats what I ended up doing :yes: oh wait thats not very cost effective and doesn't really help you does it :no: sorry my bad :facepalm:

IMO if you want the most bang for your buck shot Mossberg 500's are darn hard to beat 590A1's even harder ;) if you want something for HD that is cost effective with a decent capacity the Mossberg 20" cruiser model holds 7+1 I believe Maverick ( Mossberg subdivision company ) has the same model with slight differences just cheaper :D

The Remington 870 is also a fine weapon tested and true but is also slightly more costly for the most part for the higher capacity / tactical models .

Both Mossberg and the 870 have dual action bars a bunch of after market parts available for them and would be good reliable choices the winchester not so much as far as parts go but they also have their fans my experience with them is limited at best so I don't have a real opinion of them to base anything of off .

Really its what feels right to you honestly go to a shop, call your brothers friends uncles sister / do whatever you have to do to legally handle possibly even shoot whatever you narrow it down to see what feels right and go from there . I could tell you which one feels best to me buts thats me and your you there has literally been a on going debate with shot gun guys about Mossbergs vs. Remington 870's since I can remember so welcome to it Brother :61:

DavidR310
09-20-2012, 2:12 AM
590a1/end thread

Winchester 1300 Defender.../thread. :)

jyo
09-20-2012, 2:25 AM
Personally, I am an admitted 870 guy---especially older 870s---and I've shot pretty much everything in the shotgun field. That said, during the L.A. Riots (1992), when things got bad and my own brother needed a little something for around the house, nice 870s were few to be had and then a mint used 590 showed-up at the shop---he still has it!

gunfan74
09-20-2012, 5:51 AM
Thanks guys! I'll have to try to find a store that has them so I can try to get a feel for them. Although if the grip and safety mechanism on a 870 are anything like the 1100, I might be stuck, I love my 1100

Scuba Steve33
09-20-2012, 6:53 AM
We used the 500 in my unit in the Army and it never failed. I liked it so much I bought my own and duplicated mine from the Army.

http://imageshack.us/a/img823/2983/imgp1497j.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/823/imgp1497j.jpg/)

gunfan74
09-20-2012, 8:32 AM
@Scuba Steve33: nice shotty! I like the dual pistol grips and shoulder stock delete, do you know if it meets CA compliance I believe over all length of 36"?

SCZ
09-20-2012, 10:31 AM
@Scuba Steve33: nice shotty! I like the dual pistol grips and shoulder stock delete, do you know if it meets CA compliance I believe over all length of 36"?

Was that a Typo? because it's 26" according to the flowchart... http://www.calguns.net/caawid/sgflowchart.pdf

madstyle1
09-20-2012, 10:43 AM
I like the fact that mossberg is so affordable... However i chose remington 887 nitro mag tactical cuz i fell in love with the look. I will post pictures later. I own a remington 870 20 gauge for skeet and my 887 is for HD

NorCalXJ
09-20-2012, 10:54 AM
My vote is for benelli supernova

ouch1
09-20-2012, 11:18 AM
What ever is cheaper and works solidly. Since if you have to use it you can kiss it goodbye for a year while the investigation is done. I have always told people would they rather lose their $1200 1911 for a year or lose a cheapish $299 Mossberg 500 for a year. Most people finally get what I am telling them and go buy a nice relatively cheap 12 gauge pump gun for HD, and then go get some instruction on how to use is properly.

-ouch1

Sicarius
09-20-2012, 11:20 AM
I have them a 590a1 and 870p and my 870p is currently my HD shotgun. You can't go wrong with either but if you are left handed, you should go with the 500/590 first off. You really gotta pick them up and get a feel for them. The 870, to me, feels more solid. I like the ability to change out the magazine cap on the 870 and change the capacity of the magazine tube. The Mossberg, you are pretty much set without spending a bundle to gain a couple extra rounds. The 590 feels long to me. I didn't think 2 inches of barrel would make that much of a difference but it did to me. Makes a difference when moving about a house with doorways and hallways though I did sacrifice 1 round for the 18 inch on my 870. If you want to add a surefire to the 590, you have to hack the lug off... which for me was one of its silly but awesome selling points. I personally believe that a light should be standard on any HD weapon so as it sits, the 870 sports a 18.1 inch barrel, side saddle and surefire foregrip. I have everything I need on the gun so it is easy to snatch if something goes bump in the night.
Again, both are well suited for the job. It comes to ergonomics which is primarily safety location and budget. 870 will cost you a bit more. I would put them both on par with reliabilty and I would say that the 870 gives you more options as far as accessories... at least without swapping out barrels to get a couple more rounds and grinding off the bao lug to put a good light on. I cannot comment on the insight forend light yet and they are very new to the market. They seem like they might be a good option for the 590 though I wonder if the lug will cast a shadow... Hope that helps.
Kevin

Sicarius
09-20-2012, 11:26 AM
For HD, you probably don't need or want 3 inch magnums. There is much debate about the overpenetration value of non magnum 2 3/4 shells as it is. 2 3/4 inch shells in 00, 000, or even #4 buck will be plenty for most cracked out bad guys and zombies espcially at the typical distances within the confines of a house.
Kevin

Scuba Steve33
09-20-2012, 1:21 PM
@Scuba Steve33: nice shotty! I like the dual pistol grips and shoulder stock delete, do you know if it meets CA compliance I believe over all length of 36"?

Thanks and yes it meets the required length which is 26 inches overall. It's a perfect image of the shotgun I had in Afghanistan besides the barrel. Ours were chopped down a couple inches. That thing went through so much abuse and never failed.

drunktank
09-20-2012, 1:35 PM
I prefer tang (thumb) safeties, so mossberg is my preference. That's the only reason I can think of.

teflondog
09-20-2012, 1:52 PM
I got the 870 Police Magnum so I could shoot 3" magnum rounds. They're a lot of fun.

You can't go wrong between Mossberg and Remington, especially in a pump shotgun. I personally chose the 870 because I like where the safety is located in conjuction with a Knoxx SpecOps stock. A tang safety wouldn't have been as ergonomic with the Knoxx.

saki302
09-20-2012, 3:53 PM
They all work about the same- I've had almost every one at one time or another. THe Rem 870 has the best feel, IMO, but the old WInchester Model 12 I used to have was slick as glass (but tended to rust).

I'm using a Mossberg 835 now- it doubles as my cheap clays gun with a barrel swap, and handles 3.5" magnum if you have been a bad boy :D

-Dave

drunktank
09-20-2012, 8:38 PM
Crap now that I think about it, I put a knoxx on my mossberg. Now I can't flip the safety with my strong hand grip.

I change my vote to 870 (or maverick)!

Sicarius
09-21-2012, 9:43 AM
Maverick is the same setup as a mossberg...
Kevin

Lugiahua
09-21-2012, 9:49 AM
Maverick is the same setup as a mossberg...
Kevin

Maverick has a cross safety instead of tang safety.

Dantedamean
09-21-2012, 9:59 AM
I've had issues with newer 870s. It seems Remington's quality on them has gone way down. May just be my bad luck or it may be Remington, I can't say with 100% certainty. I went through 5 of them before I finally gave up and got my money back. So if you end up wanting to buy one, get a old used one. Not only will it be cheaper, it will most likely be more reliable as well.

I ended up purchasing a benelli supernova. The quality is good and it will accept 3" shells, however I am beginning to have a stovepipe issue. The ejector grabs the round but fails to throw it out all the way, causing the new round to lock up the gun. It's easily fixed, I just don't like the unreliablity of it. On top if that, it is impossible to find custom parts for. Benelli doesn't sell the adjustable stock to civillians, so when one does pop up it costs more than the gun it's self.

I know the supernova wasn't on your list but I figured I would just throw that out there. This is my experience with shotguns. Hope it helps some.

gunfan74
09-21-2012, 10:07 AM
Thanks for the suggestion, inline benellis, but I limited my choices to budget shotguns that are pump action. I know I don't NEED 3" magnums, but they're fun at the range! Plus the fact that aftermarket parts an accessories are hard to come by is kind of a bummer.

TheExpertish
09-21-2012, 10:08 AM
I am an 870 or 11-87 guy personally. But as the first post, by the end of this thread you will find out that it all come down to personal preference.

It is personal preference. Both guns are fine. Here are some points to both.

Remington 870

Slightly stronger components
Safety is in familiar spot
Larger aftermarket following
Newer fixed option models negate its legendary interchangeability

Mossberg 500

New Flex model brings interchangeability to a new level
Safety is up top for ease of use, and makes it better for left handed shooters
Slightly less expensive
Family owned made in USA business, not a large conglomerate

gunfan74
09-21-2012, 10:19 AM
Thanks Expertish! I've been trying to track down parts on both the 870 and 500/590, having some trouble, most likely I will be looking for a side saddle shell carrier, either an adjustable M4 type stock, or pistol grip, and a 1" flashlight reviewer for the forward (pump) grip.

SCZ
09-21-2012, 11:10 AM
Gunfan74, lots of people seem pretty pleased with the ATI stocks, and the MesaTactical saddles. There's quite a few picatinny mounts that will fit in between the barrel and mag tube in front of the forend that will readily accept a light if if you'd rather not get a surefire forend or similar.

gil671
09-21-2012, 11:17 AM
I think they are both awesome shotguns and you cant go wrong with either. Its all preference. Mine is an 870. :)

Sicarius
09-21-2012, 12:34 PM
Maverick has a cross safety instead of tang safety.

Oh yeah... My mistake. For some reason I had the big 5 combo in mind... Thank you for the correction.
Kevin

gunfan74
09-21-2012, 12:45 PM
That big 5 combo mossberg with both short and long barrels is tempting

Sicarius
09-21-2012, 1:44 PM
the combo is great for a cheap shotgun if you don't plan on modifying the foregrip. It sports the maverick front end which does away with the action tube assembly. The forgrip has the rails that work the action pinned to the plastic. I have seen pictures of them break where the rails are pinned... If you are on a super tight budget, it is definately the way to go. You can always upgrade later on and add a foregrip and action tube later down the road. The upgrade will run you, depending on which action tube, ~30 for the short and ~50 for the longer one. 10 bucks for the nut and whatever the cost of the foregrip. Also make sure which grip you are buying to get the correct length tube.
I had to go through this for upgrading my friend's big 5 combo to accept a surefire.
Kevin

USMC 82-86
09-22-2012, 9:46 AM
http://youtu.be/zmdMNwSxEcs

Here you go. It at least shows the accuracy at distance.

frankm
09-23-2012, 12:12 AM
I like both the 870 and the 500. To me, the 870 feels like it handles better. So, buy what feels best in yer hands.

Socalman
09-23-2012, 8:43 PM
You cant go wrong with either. I have the Mossberg 590 and the reason for my choice was simply I liked the placement of the safety, it is ambidextrous and easily seen. The 870 is also a fine weapon.

HatersLOVEme : )
09-23-2012, 9:03 PM
Can't we all just get along :yes: ( by the way RIP Rodney King )

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h258/Yugish/P1050675_zps798e5895.jpg

Shanghai guy
09-23-2012, 10:04 PM
I voted for Remington.

EDIT: You know, I've been trying to order a Remington 870PM with wood furniture without success (distributors are out), and then this thread pops up.

I like the guy in that video, I watched him before awhile back when he got into the Colt M4. One cool cat.

Anyway, you guys have me thinking I should get a 590A1 now. I mean, the Remingtons are out and the Mossberg looks like a whole LOT of fun! I was a dyed-in-the-wool Remington guy and would not have bought a Mossberg before... but you won me over!

Thank you, gentlemen! :)

cindynles
09-23-2012, 10:22 PM
Can't we all just get along :yes: ( by the way RIP Rodney King )

What fun would that be?

Personally I'm a Ithaca M37 fan. Ejects straight down. I have 3 of them now :p.
This is my HD M37.

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss20/cindynles/IMG_0986.jpg

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss20/cindynles/IMG_0987.jpg

You can even buy brand new ones now from the new Ithaca Gun Company for abut the same price as a 590A1 or 870 (MSRP = $500):

http://www.ithacagun.com/defense37s.html

HatersLOVEme : )
09-23-2012, 10:53 PM
What fun would that be?

Personally I'm a Ithaca M37 fan. Ejects straight down. I have 3 of them now :p.
This is my HD M37.

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss20/cindynles/IMG_0987.jpg

You can even buy brand new ones now from the new Ithaca Gun Company for abut the same price as a 590A1 or 870 (MSRP = $500):

http://www.ithacagun.com/defense37s.html

Well I guess if you like little Duckies on the side of your receiver or its limited capacity or the outdated design with one action bar where two should be Ithaca is totally the way to go ! :facepalm: All due respect unless its a older model 37 capable of being slam fired its not a model 37 far as I'm concerned it was that shotguns whole claim to fame for HD / defense gun IMO . :whistling:

Scuba Steve33
09-23-2012, 11:23 PM
You can even buy brand new ones now from the new Ithaca Gun Company for abut the same price as a 590A1 or 870 (MSRP = $500)

That's ridiculous. I walked out the door with my 500 for barely more than 250.

Grifter206
09-24-2012, 12:15 AM
Honestly,

which one do you like pistol grip or regular stock because the 500 is BAD with a pistol grip due to the location of the safety and release button.

cost? 870's are expensive because of that receiver!!

I own 870 and 500/590a1. I say if you can afford it, go with the 590a1 because its cheaper than the 870. 590a1 has a bayonet lug!!! I like the ease of loading up shells in the mossberg compared to the remington.

Scuba Steve33
09-24-2012, 12:34 AM
Honestly,

which one do you like pistol grip or regular stock because the 500 is BAD with a pistol grip due to the location of the safety and release button.

Que?? :confused:

tuna quesadilla
09-24-2012, 12:59 AM
Que?? :confused:

The tang safety on the Mossberg just doesn't work as well as the crossbolt on the Remington when you equip your shotgun with a pistol gripped stock.

Scuba Steve33
09-24-2012, 1:07 AM
The tang safety on the Mossberg just doesn't work as well as the crossbolt on the Remington when you equip your shotgun with a pistol gripped stock.

No I understood what he meant I just don't personally have issues with it. My hands are average size. I don't have a stock, just a pistol grip so perhaps it's more difficult with both? I dunno just never an issue for me.

jeffrice6
09-24-2012, 2:20 AM
I dig the 870 for what it is & its aftermarket support, that being said, I find the aluminum receivered Win 1300 a better pump. No experience with Mossberg

Aufdrahtsein
09-24-2012, 9:25 AM
I've had experience with both the Remington and the Mossberg, but not under the most grueling conditions to where I can honestly say they've been through a torture test. Three of my friends own the Mossberg 500, and one of my friends and my father own the Remington 870; I can't say that I have experienced any reliability issues with either of the guns ( having shot well over 300 shells in both models ). I find that I am more preferential to the Mossberg 500, because I find that it's better balanced, lighter, and I can feed it better. However, I do like the location of the Safety on the Remington 870.

-ADS

cindynles
09-24-2012, 9:52 AM
Well I guess if you like little Duckies on the side of your receiver or its limited capacity or the outdated design with one action bar where two should be Ithaca is totally the way to go ! :facepalm: All due respect unless its a older model 37 capable of being slam fired its not a model 37 far as I'm concerned it was that shotguns whole claim to fame for HD / defense gun IMO . :whistling:

Nooooo, its claim to fame is the fact that it was/is the shotgun carried by the LAPD / LASD for many, many years. Not mention it has the smoothest action of any pump action (even better than a wingmaster) which is why it only needs one action bar. The M37 is J.M. Browning design with a bolt that locks into the receiver instead of a barrel extension, making it a stronger action.

Those little Duckies must have been why we had problems in Vietnam, I guess Charlie was laughing at the shotgun being carried by our troops......

http://olive-drab.com/images/firearms_shotgun_ithaca37_seals_375.jpg

http://www.shootingillustrated.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/r2k03-viet-3.jpg


Have you ever actually shot an Ithaca?

gunfan74
09-24-2012, 10:15 AM
Now that I think about it, a while back I did shoot a 500 with a pistol grip, and the safety was somewhat uncomfortable to operate. I'll have to head over to Big 5 and check one out again. It's been awhile.

CSACANNONEER
09-24-2012, 10:21 AM
Once you try PGs only on a shotgun, you'll decide that a stock and no forward PG is better. But, don't listen to me. Learn it for yourself.

HatersLOVEme : )
09-24-2012, 2:29 PM
Nooooo, its claim to fame is the fact that it was/is the shotgun carried by the LAPD / LASD for many, many years. Not mention it has the smoothest action of any pump action (even better than a wingmaster) which is why it only needs one action bar. The M37 is J.M. Browning design with a bolt that locks into the receiver instead of a barrel extension, making it a stronger action.

Those little Duckies must have been why we had problems in Vietnam, I guess Charlie was laughing at the shotgun being carried by our troops......

Have you ever actually shot an Ithaca?

That is why all the branches of the Military and both the LAPD / LASD and every other agency or department in duty / service have all changed to different shotguns ( Mostly Mossbergs and 870's ) many many years ago !

I won't even go into the Vietnam conflict since I have to much respect for those who went through it but we only have to pick up a History book to see how well that went .

Yes I grew up shooting Ithaca's back in the day when they were still made in N.Y. not Ohio . My Uncle collects them ( only the older ones the newer ones are junk ) I also remember their customer service being a lot better I called with a question a few months back and they had to call me back almost two weeks later with a answer . Unless you get a newer model Ithaca the parts aren't even inter changeable they all need to be fitted at the factory what a pain in the butt . At least with Remington and Mossberg you can get get parts for them and they both have strong after market followings try finding bolt on after market parts for Ithaca's they are far and few between at best .

I thought the OP was asking for a low cost HD option that has after market parts available not the complete polar opposite :shrug:

Scuba Steve33
09-24-2012, 3:11 PM
Now that I think about it, a while back I did shoot a 500 with a pistol grip, and the safety was somewhat uncomfortable to operate. I'll have to head over to Big 5 and check one out again. It's been awhile.

This is the only way to really determine what will be best for you. I own and recommend a 500 but wouldn't not recommend an 870 because I have fired them numerous times and know they work. The 500 simply works for me, whether that is due to all the training I received with it/carrying it or not, I'll never get rid of it.

Play around with each model in the configuration you are going to have. Someone mentioned a pistol grip makes the safety of a 500 awkward. I'm not sure if he meant a pistol grip with a stock or just a pistol grip in general but for my stockless 500 with a pistol grip I have no problems but that's just me. Either way you can't go wrong.

gunfan74
09-24-2012, 3:22 PM
I am. The shotgun I am looking for has to be pump action, 12 gauge, has to accept either 3" or 3.5" magnums, and a large aftermarket parts list. Anyone live in or near Ventura County and wanna let me try your 500, 590A1, or 870?

-hanko
09-25-2012, 12:12 PM
I am. The shotgun I am looking for has to be pump action, 12 gauge, has to accept either 3" or 3.5" magnums, and a large aftermarket parts list. Anyone live in or near Ventura County and wanna let me try your 500, 590A1, or 870?
So you've painted yourself into a corner...Mossberg offers 3.5" in the 535 series...not the 500 or 590 or 590a1.

Remington has the larger aftermarket parts selection.

Both are owned by Cerberus, so generally older guns should have better fit and finish.

Cyndynles is spot-on about the Ithaca...simply nothing smoother...

HatersLOVEme : ) is not aware of the 6-shot Ithaca's, apparently. :confused:

-hanko

hth

-hanko

mif_slim
09-25-2012, 12:23 PM
The one you train with most. Any of those guns will do well in the right hands.

RedFord150
09-25-2012, 1:39 PM
Maverick has a cross safety instead of tang safety.

Maverick is also about $100 cheaper than Mossberg. Both Turners and Big 5 frequently have them in their sale ads.

The Mad Mule
09-25-2012, 3:21 PM
Big 5 has the 500 combo on sale this week for $310. Even though I've been waiting two weeks for the sale to come around, I didn't end up buying it because the forend felt unbelievably cheap, moving side to side like it is was about to fall off.

I know the Big 5 version uses some Maverick parts, and some play in the forend is to be expected, but of all the "normal" 500s I've held, the forend of the Big 5 version was ridiculous. I'm looking into getting the Davidson's combo on budsgunshop instead.

gunfan74
09-25-2012, 5:24 PM
At Hanko: I don't need the ability to shoot 3.5" shells, but I do have to have my 3" shells

-hanko
09-25-2012, 6:11 PM
I am. The shotgun I am looking for has to be pump action, 12 gauge, has to accept either 3" or 3.5" magnums, and a large aftermarket parts list. Anyone live in or near Ventura County and wanna let me try your 500, 590A1, or 870?
Just answered what I saw.:)

-hanko

SFBA
10-05-2012, 3:13 AM
My vote is the Mossy 500 for the reason many have mentioned of overall value for what you get, 7 shells in the tube in the Persuader model, and it's so darn easy to add the side saddle. If I am not mistaken, Remingtons have to be drilled and tapped? I cannot recall as I only fired a Remy a few times, but believe there are some subjective preferences in loading the Mossbergs over the Remingtons.

tacticalcity
10-05-2012, 11:58 AM
All 3 are excellent options. When comparing base models there is no difference other than personal preference. However, the higher end 870s come with an improved cylinder barrel and the Mossbergs do not (not sure about the Winchester). That improved cylinder barrel is critical for any serious defensive shooter who knows his stuff. An improved cylinder barrel results in a tighter more predictable pattern that offers the ability to take more shots without fear of collateral damage when you know your patterns and holds. It also increases your effective range, but I consider the tighter group in close the more critical benefit. For Joe Blow who is just going to point and squeeze no matter what the distance its no big deal either way. For a truly trained professional, it matters.

I've owned both Remington and Mossbergs and will own both again at some point. Budget and reality often outweigh what we would want in an ideal world. However, my favorite HD Pump Shotgun is the Remington 870 Police model with an 18" barrel and a standard bead sight and 7 shot magazine extension. I'm kinda fond of the look of wood, but prefer the shorter length of the Hogue 12" LOP tactical stock as it makes working in doors easier.

mandor
10-05-2012, 1:11 PM
i prefer the location of the safety and controls on the 870. both are great guns though. comes down to ergonomics for you.

if you're gonna use an assault rifle style stock, i like where the safety is on the 870 compared to on the top like with the mossberg/hunting shotgun. still not very convenient though.

knucklehead0202
10-05-2012, 6:32 PM
well, to some people's chagrin i'm gonna throw my hat in the ring here. first of all, no mossberg has had single action bar since before i was born i'm pretty sure so that's a stupid argument. remington's quality-control is absolute garbage these days, and so are most of their products subsequently. never liked the safety position on 870. using the 590's bayonet lug as a good reason for purchase is dumb. if you need a bayonet on your shotgun, you've really fu**ed up. last but not least, a winchester 12/1300 defender is way sweeter in just about all aspects than both of them, only unfortunately no longer produced. after experiencing one, i promptly sold my mossberg and bought a used defender and wouldn't give it up for ANY shotgun. that said, durability and parts availability, i'd buy a mossberg, hands down. or an older 870 if that's what blows your skirt up. the new ones are crap.