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Mendo223
09-18-2012, 12:00 AM
I was going to build my upper piece by piece, but decided id rather just buy the whole damn thing at once! been searching classifieds and these forums for a week now and cant figure out! got some good ideas from the SPR thread but it seems everyone is doing custom everything. i want to just buy the whole upper as one, then maybe change the charging handle and BCG, and install a giselle trigger in the lower.

This build is more for 300 yard shooting, not exactly a "recce" or "SPR"....but i do want a longer match grade barrel, and HIGH END COMPONENTS! im not going to put some 20x scope on it, but mostly like an aimpoint or trijicon with low zoom like 3x maybe...again, not sure exactly.

really want to do VLTOR upper but i would have to buy the barrel seperate i think....

maybe noveske afghan? Stag 3h? i really have no idea....the lower is a LMT with a MAGPUL UBR...

also i DONT want it to have the fixed iron sights on the front, i want it to be a straight upper that i can mount a MBUS on..

thanks in advance!

Mendo223
09-18-2012, 12:09 AM
something like this....although i already have a STAG ar15 carbine...so i kind of want a different brand.
http://cdn.armslist.com/images/posts/6347100124325986491flyuxjw.jpg


i really like the upper on this, but the barrel tip looks funny...
http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/u/-/u-145p-556-n.jpg

http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/primary/866/866054.jpg
like this one too....the noveske recon might be my choice...but im a stickler id rather just put that on a noveske lower....BLARGH.

has anyone had issues matching a noveske upper to a LMT lower.....

Mendo223
09-18-2012, 12:13 AM
VLTOR doesnt make a complete upper right? i would have to buy this than add a barrel...what else besides the barrel?
http://www.pkfirearms.com/product_images/0000/6545/Vltor2.jpg

mariley85
09-18-2012, 12:40 AM
not as far as i know, you'd need a barrel, bcg, and charging handle.

you could just get a complete noveske upper, seeing as vltor makes their stuff.

http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?cat=124

mariley85
09-18-2012, 12:42 AM
about the upper/lower question:

as long as they're all milspec, there should be absolutely no problem.

Dreaded Claymore
09-18-2012, 12:54 AM
I'm not sure how to say this, but your criteria are all over the place. They aren't specific enough for us to make any targeted suggestions.

It looks like you have a larger amount of money to spend, and it looks like you want something capable of enough precision to shoot at targets 300 yards away. You may not be aware of this, but virtually any rifle can do that if it's not chambered in .22 LR.

Are there particular makes and models that you are considering, and want opinions about?

scglock
09-18-2012, 1:09 AM
something like this....although i already have a STAG ar15 carbine...so i kind of want a different brand.
http://cdn.armslist.com/images/posts/6347100124325986491flyuxjw.jpg


Lol theres so many things wrong with this upper. Backward sights.. Polymer front sight mounted on gas block... and without a riser.. I doubt the person ever got it zeroed

TheThousands
09-18-2012, 1:12 AM
Lol theres so many things wrong with this upper. Backward sights.. Polymer front sight mounted on gas block... and without a riser.. I doubt the person ever got it zeroed

I was just about to point out the sights, knew something looked funky...

MrPlink
09-18-2012, 1:31 AM
Want an Spr? PRI
/ thread

Bobby Hated
09-18-2012, 8:00 AM
JP rifles are the absolute best AR uppers money can buy. they are far and away the most common uppers for 3Gun shooters who regularly must hit out to 300, 400 even 500 and 600 yards. i paid something like $1400 for my 18" JP upper.

Noveske also makes very good quality barrels and uppers.

Stag 3G upper is a wannabe JP, but alot cheaper, both in cost and quality.

JayBeeJay
09-18-2012, 8:15 AM
Lol theres so many things wrong with this upper. Backward sights.. Polymer front sight mounted on gas block... and without a riser.. I doubt the person ever got it zeroed

I actually LOL'd looking at that pic :D!

HK Dave
09-18-2012, 8:18 AM
I went with a Rainier Ultramatch, couldn't be happier. The sub 1/2 moa groups with factory match ammo speak for themselves.

Honestly though, if you're going to put an aimpoint on it, it's really pointless.

JP, Noveske, Larue were also on my short list.

starsnuffer
09-18-2012, 8:25 AM
That would be this one:

http://www.centermassfirearms.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/h/k/hkupper.jpg

-W

hnoppenberger
09-18-2012, 8:42 AM
go on ar15.com and look at gallery setups, you don't have enough info on what parts exist to make a decision at this point man, you have zero clue of anything at this point if you are posting pics of junk uppers like that first one.

BucDan
09-18-2012, 9:17 AM
If you have money, check out the SR-15 Mod 1 upper.

Knight_Who_Says_Ni
09-18-2012, 9:27 AM
That would be this one:

http://www.centermassfirearms.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/h/k/hkupper.jpg

-W

I like your thinking... :D

deviljon
09-18-2012, 10:06 AM
I wouldn't exactly consider Magpul MBUS as "high end components".

Also, the Noveske upper you posted with the funny looking barrel tip is using a Battlecomp.

Rainier Arms, Noveske, Larue are some sites to check out first. What is your budget?

Mendo223
09-19-2012, 1:27 AM
budget is under 1500 hopefully, yea the stag had wrongly mounted mbus but it was to get an idea...and yea im not too sure what to do hear, my first ar i just bought a complete and added optics and a few accesories.

i have the money to buy everything up front instead of peicing it together in a build...

thanks for the advice.

BrianRodela
09-19-2012, 6:21 AM
If you want precision, look no further unless your worried about not looking cool enough on the range.

http://www.whiteoakarmament.com/xcart/home.php?cat=253

DudeDoug2000
09-19-2012, 7:20 AM
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-BFH-16-Mid-Length-Upper-Receiver-VLTOR-VIS-p/bcm-urg-16md%20bfh%20vis12.htm

Here ya go, VLTOR upper, no fixed front sight... If you must have a lower to match G&R tactical usually has some, Grant Is a good guy.

outlawdaveyjones
09-19-2012, 11:40 PM
I own a CMMG Wasp Gas Piston upper with Century Arms C4 Diopters on a CMMG lower. I bought the upper for $599.99 out the door. Must say its a nice piece of hardware! I currently have 2 other AR builds that are STAG ARMS with DI uppers and STAG ARMS lowers, and I still love my CMMG. never fails!

triggs75
09-20-2012, 11:26 AM
JP rifles are the absolute best AR uppers money can buy. they are far and away the most common uppers for 3Gun shooters who regularly must hit out to 300, 400 even 500 and 600 yards. i paid something like $1400 for my 18" JP upper.

Noveske also makes very good quality barrels and uppers.

Stag 3G upper is a wannabe JP, but alot cheaper, both in cost and quality.

+1 for JP. That is what you are looking for.

Here is my 20" JP upper and it is a tack driver

http://imageshack.us/a/img98/7836/img0821q.jpg

CK_32
09-20-2012, 11:47 AM
Hands down the Magfiretac11 battle war CQB rifle 5000


http://americandigest.org/ar15acces.jpg

devilchien0105
09-20-2012, 12:17 PM
Hands down the Magfiretac11 battle war CQB rifle 5000


http://americandigest.org/ar15acces.jpg

Whenever I see that gun, I have to yell: "WOLVERINE!!!!!" =D

CK_32
09-20-2012, 12:21 PM
Yea although that is no doubt the best complete rifle out right now..

I believe it's out dated and they need to make a belt fed version to keep up with the tactical reload and double tap demand

tacticalcity
09-20-2012, 12:32 PM
No such animal exists.

AR15 is a modular weapon that can be configured to serve a 1000 different roles. For each of those roles there are a hundred or more equally good manufactured off the rack ARs on the market. So there is no best of the best.

CK_32
09-20-2012, 12:39 PM
No such animal exists.

AR15 is a modular weapon that can be configured to serve a 1000 different roles. For each of those rolls there are a hundred or more equally good manufactured off the rack ARs on the market. So there is no best of the best.

There it is^^ :hurray::mnl::party:

onequickshift
09-20-2012, 1:36 PM
BCM, Noveske, LMT, Daniel Defense. Make great uppers.

CK_32
09-20-2012, 1:40 PM
BCM, Noveske, LMT, Daniel Defense. Make great uppers.

100% agree!


Only downside is their complete rifles have a tad bit of mark up and come sort of expensive. But still worth every penny. But those are top uppers in my build lists.

Love my BCM 16" mid

mariley85
09-20-2012, 2:26 PM
100% agree!


Only downside is their complete rifles have a tad bit of mark up and come sort of expensive. But still worth every penny. But those are top uppers in my build lists.

Love my BCM 16" mid

not always.

i decided my next rifle will be a noveske infidel with the switchblock and VIS. i priced it all out separately and it came out about 200 bucks less than the complete upper from noveske. add pin/weld fees and it's almost a wash.

Dhena81
09-20-2012, 2:40 PM
Get a Noveske 18" spr upper with the NSR it has the Vltor MUR upper and a match grade barrel already assembled.

Checkout Tier 1 arms he'll get one for you for a good price.

CK_32
09-20-2012, 2:41 PM
not always.

i decided my next rifle will be a noveske infidel with the switchblock and VIS. i priced it all out separately and it came out about 200 bucks less than the complete upper from noveske. add pin/weld fees and it's almost a wash.

I'm not quite sure what your saying. I feel like we're either talking about 2 different things or agreeing on the same thing with different words..

I'm not talking about building an upper. I'm talking about building your own lower and buying a BCM upper comes out cheaper than buying a complete BCM rifle. But still can have the same quality and specs.

mariley85
09-20-2012, 2:50 PM
I'm not quite sure what your saying. I feel like we're either talking about 2 different things or agreeing on the same thing with different words..

I'm not talking about building an upper. I'm talking about building your own lower and buying a BCM upper comes out cheaper than buying a complete BCM rifle. But still can have the same quality and specs.

ooohhh, i was talking about building an upper. yeah, the lower does come out less if you don't go all buck wild with a trigger and ambi this and that.

Donk310
09-20-2012, 10:55 PM
I will be getting myself a JP upper as soon as my kids grow up and finish college and I can sell my house and move in with my mother. Those things are the best!!

Heiko
09-20-2012, 11:07 PM
Agreed there is really no such thing as "the best" but there are lots of choices. Your specs are a bit vague but check out Larue Tactical Stealth uppers. $1200, you can choose your barrel and handguard length, they're a great company, and top end in quality. Comes complete with BCG and standard charging handle.

I have a Larue Stealth 18" and it is amazing. The standard barrel finish is Ion Bond but you can request bead blasted stainless which is what I went with.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd280/PNG_x5world/LaRue%20SPR/SPR-10.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd280/PNG_x5world/LaRue%20SPR/SPR-6.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd280/PNG_x5world/LaRue%20SPR/SPR-8.jpg

elfstone
09-21-2012, 12:15 AM
Genius!!! I want it! I'll offer you 50% more than asking price.

Thank you for the pic. I am saving it to my photo folder, ok.

Hands down the Magfiretac11 battle war CQB rifle 5000


http://americandigest.org/ar15acces.jpg

snypr
09-21-2012, 8:14 AM
MR556 or KAC SR or Larue TS are nice also....depends how much you want to spend

Aldemar
09-21-2012, 9:37 AM
Got mine from GGG. LMT barrel and upper receiver. You will need to ad your BCG and CH though.

I just checked their website and don't see it listed anymore.

HPGunner
09-21-2012, 10:04 AM
I was just about to point out the sights, knew something looked funky...

I was just about to ask if it's ok to put a MBUS plastic sights directly onto a gas block. I was wondering if it would melt right off or at least warp.

onequickshift
09-21-2012, 11:26 AM
Forgot Larue :P hahaha. Ops, great guns.

Hubby had a heart attack when he saw the various BCM uppers arrive lol. Then that I put in for iphone5s for myself and our daughter :P

Waiting on some goods from Noveske. Honestly off shelf rifles, or built lowers+a complete upper? Its all good. My daughters going to use a BCM upper, but has a Noveske lower, she really really wants pink moe parts, if they don't come soon enough, she will be going for green from Magpul.

Hubs got rid of a bunch of his LWRC, two 590a1s, a t3 and grp, he's got a bcm upper on a riflegear lower, and another on a blem bcm lower :P haha.

Has gotten more use out of those 2 builds in the past week and a half then with his LWRC collection that just sat. He picked up 2 M&P pistols, one last month, one last week. He picked up a 870 Extac, and is going to pick up some kind of 870 from Wilson? Or was it Nighthawk 870, to keep at other house. Can't remember.

But in anycase, point is, built seems the nice way to go, so you can choose what you like, and also have something already assembled to throw on. Also, I acquire 7 different uppers from different sources :) they are diff lengths, and will be used for diff things like as loaner rifles, and or plinking, and shorter/lighter variants for home use.

Hubs freaked out about BCM :) wait till he sees Noveske stuff coming in :P

CK32: Yah, gets very very expensive, had saved for the last few months to get just uppers. But if its something you're ganna train with, then fight with? Quality is whats important to me, saving a few more dollars, and sacrificing quality isn't something I would do.

And off shelf rifles? I was told off by some guy at gun show that his uber tac, bargain built $600 rifle in a voodoo tac case can do anything say, a LMT upper I was buying, can do, and SAVE $ doing it lol. Right....lol.

Quality is the name of the game :D good to see someone else agrees.

chicoredneck
09-21-2012, 11:34 AM
There is no best, only that which best suits your needs.























Oh, and of course, we are the best.:p

nitroxdiver
09-21-2012, 3:04 PM
Do yourself a favor and at least look into a knights sr-15 upper. Skip the triple tap mb unless you've got extra cash and just go with a battle comp or your preferd muzzle device It is a very nice upper, and light weight as well. It comes with top quality buis.

xoutxkastx
09-21-2012, 3:19 PM
I bought an Addax Evo Recon and added a trijicon 1-4 scope

http://i808.photobucket.com/albums/zz9/nismo-33/IMG_0261.jpg

Also have you looked into JP Enterprise. The rig below is CTR-02 with 22" barrell but they range from 14.5" - 22" There's also a JP 15 which is more economical.

http://i808.photobucket.com/albums/zz9/nismo-33/IMG_0384.jpg

ar15barrels
09-21-2012, 4:02 PM
What's the BEST car on the market?

Striker
09-21-2012, 4:42 PM
You've gotten some good recommendations; Larue, KAC, Noveske etc. Before you decide, take a look at this. http://www.centurionarms.net/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=138

Monte LeClair is the owner of Centurion Arms. Active duty Naval spec ops guy who has used an SPR overseas. Builds them to that spec. Everything I've ever read about his uppers has been stellar.

cabinetguy
09-21-2012, 5:00 PM
What's the BEST car on the market?

shouldnt you know this and tell us?

onequickshift
09-23-2012, 10:49 AM
What's the BEST car on the market?

Nothing to do with OPQ :P but sure, lets say ummmmm an Aerostar!!!!

Hungster
09-23-2012, 7:07 PM
Forgot Larue :P hahaha. Ops, great guns.

Hubby had a heart attack when he saw the various BCM uppers arrive lol. Then that I put in for iphone5s for myself and our daughter :P

Waiting on some goods from Noveske. Honestly off shelf rifles, or built lowers+a complete upper? Its all good. My daughters going to use a BCM upper, but has a Noveske lower, she really really wants pink moe parts, if they don't come soon enough, she will be going for green from Magpul.

Hubs got rid of a bunch of his LWRC, two 590a1s, a t3 and grp, he's got a bcm upper on a riflegear lower, and another on a blem bcm lower :P haha.

Has gotten more use out of those 2 builds in the past week and a half then with his LWRC collection that just sat. He picked up 2 M&P pistols, one last month, one last week. He picked up a 870 Extac, and is going to pick up some kind of 870 from Wilson? Or was it Nighthawk 870, to keep at other house. Can't remember.

But in anycase, point is, built seems the nice way to go, so you can choose what you like, and also have something already assembled to throw on. Also, I acquire 7 different uppers from different sources :) they are diff lengths, and will be used for diff things like as loaner rifles, and or plinking, and shorter/lighter variants for home use.

Hubs freaked out about BCM :) wait till he sees Noveske stuff coming in :P

CK32: Yah, gets very very expensive, had saved for the last few months to get just uppers. But if its something you're ganna train with, then fight with? Quality is whats important to me, saving a few more dollars, and sacrificing quality isn't something I would do.

And off shelf rifles? I was told off by some guy at gun show that his uber tac, bargain built $600 rifle in a voodoo tac case can do anything say, a LMT upper I was buying, can do, and SAVE $ doing it lol. Right....lol.

Quality is the name of the game :D good to see someone else agrees.


Family. You're doing it right.

ar15barrels
09-23-2012, 8:04 PM
Nothing to do with OPQ :P but sure, lets say ummmmm an Aerostar!!!!

I'll raise you an Aerostar with my Pontiac Aztek.

Vepr 54R
09-23-2012, 8:22 PM
No one has mentioned them, but Bushmaster is a good solid brand. I have an old fashioned A2 and it has been solid ever since I got it.

joker70
09-24-2012, 9:19 AM
No one has mentioned them, but Bushmaster is a good solid brand. I have an old fashioned A2 and it has been solid ever since I got it.


:lurk5:

Mendo223
09-24-2012, 10:45 AM
+1 for JP. That is what you are looking for.

Here is my 20" JP upper and it is a tack driver

http://imageshack.us/a/img98/7836/img0821q.jpg

love this gun, my LMT lower has the same stock, want something very similar to this

there are just so many options!

i like the price of the complete BCM upper...but am gonna check out the others as well, gotta sift through everything and do some research..

Mendo223
11-18-2012, 7:51 PM
is a 12.5 upper illegal in CA?
http://cdn1.bigcommerce.com/server800/ebad2/products/179/images/873/M4KU-MTa__48755.1329428764.1280.1280.jpg
http://www.vltorstore.com/12-5-vltor-m4k-upper-tan-casv-mt/

fullrearview
11-18-2012, 7:58 PM
Many are better than others, but I don't think you can say one is the best. It all depends on what your going for.

ar15barrels
11-18-2012, 8:00 PM
is a 12.5 upper illegal in CA?
http://cdn1.bigcommerce.com/server800/ebad2/products/179/images/873/M4KU-MTa__48755.1329428764.1280.1280.jpg
http://www.vltorstore.com/12-5-vltor-m4k-upper-tan-casv-mt/

As a pistol, it is legal.
As a rifle, not legal unless you permanent attach something to get it over 16" barrel length.

Mendo223
11-18-2012, 8:01 PM
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-BFH-16-Mid-Length-Upper-Receiver-VLTOR-VIS-p/bcm-urg-16md%20bfh%20vis12.htm

Here ya go, VLTOR upper, no fixed front sight... If you must have a lower to match G&R tactical usually has some, Grant Is a good guy.

very close to ordering this one, and just doing a regular build with an aimpoint/trijicon 3x...

then if i want to splurge more il go for the JP 20' with a 10-20x scope for 600 yard shooting...maybe even go ar10 instead.

Mendo223
11-18-2012, 8:04 PM
As a pistol, it is legal.
As a rifle, not legal unless you permanent attach something to get it over 16" barrel length.

Oh so the upper/barrel itself has to be longer than 16" for some reason i though you could have a 12.5 or 14inch because the stock will make the rifle longer than 16inch total.

SB1964
11-18-2012, 8:23 PM
My First URG (upper Receiver Group) was a Daniel Defense M4V5. I also have a Noveske Reece that`s even better IMO. I Built both my Lowers & used DD Parts Kits with Geissele SSA`s. DD, Noveske, Larue, LMT, BCM are some of the best & there IS a Difference.


Tough to actually answer your question though! I`d stay away from Magpul Plastic Sights, I bought a pair for my first Flat-Top & promptly sold them.

ar15barrels
11-18-2012, 8:28 PM
Oh so the upper/barrel itself has to be longer than 16" for some reason i though you could have a 12.5 or 14inch because the stock will make the rifle longer than 16inch total.

Overall length of the barrel of a rifle is federal and state law, 16" minimum.
Federal overall length of the rifle must be over 26" with collapsible stock extended.
California minimum overall length for semi-auto center fire rifles is 30" with collapsible stocks collapsed.

Exemptions apply for pistols, registered machine guns, short barreled rifles and AOW's.

Bhobbs
11-18-2012, 11:11 PM
What's the BEST car on the market?

Smart car.

9-12
11-18-2012, 11:45 PM
BCM, Noveske, LMT, Daniel Defense. Make great uppers.
Other than the markings, you couldn't tell one of those from the other for the most part. (excecpt the MRP/MWS)
Now look at a KAC upper, or a LWRC. The quality of workmanship and finish on either is a level above most of the "main stream" AR uppers. I have a friend who's a private conrtractor "over there" (not limited by US Mil regulations) and he tells me what stands up to the abuse, and what doesn't. He'll wear out a rifle in a day...;)
His go-to are LWRC and KAC, and he definitely thinks piston rifles are way more trouble than they're worth.
Now I'm passing this along second hand, so take it for what it's worth, but this is a guy who does nothing but test battle rifles, and uses them every day in his line of work. He doesn't have an agenda, just experience and I like to pass that along when I can.
YMMV.

Aeonstar
11-18-2012, 11:53 PM
Lots of people make good guns. A few make amazing guns. if a custom built upper in any profile you want. Made with a shilen stainless barrel shooting clover leaf groups is your need then go here. I have his 22" .75 204 ruger upper and its leathal.
http://www.careycustomrifleco.com/index.html

http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af180/aeonstar3/1eeeca8a.jpg

3GunFunShooter
11-19-2012, 12:34 PM
JP is great. My 18" will group 1" at 300 yards with Black Hills 5.56 262 77Gr SMK.
All the guys I know that have a JP love them. Probably the top 3 Gun Rifle on the market today.

SB1964
11-19-2012, 1:15 PM
After Barrel Cleaning, I can TELL THE DIFFERENCE, looking down the Bore of my DD vs. Noveske Barrel. LMT/NOVESKE uses M249 Barrel Steel & has extra heavy Chrome Lining. The Noveske I have has a better Finish outside the Barrel too, looks sweet. I`m certainly not saying spending the most makes anything better. Maybe a lot of Guys think Craftstman (Sears) Tools are the only way to go, lol.

Some sweet Rigs on here!!!

lehn20
11-25-2012, 12:57 AM
Noveske, LT, LMT, DD, Centurion, High Caliber Sales, BCM

BigfootHunter
11-25-2012, 7:36 PM
LaRue LaRue LaRue - all the way. Too bad you can't get their lowers for the time being. I had my stealth 16" upper on a CalGuns lower though and it was fine.