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1911Operator
09-14-2012, 10:56 PM
The gun is about $1450 out the door new. He has been wanting a AR type for a while. and likes the SIG. What do you guys think?? any big issues or anything with these?

Yugo
09-14-2012, 10:59 PM
I would just build something for $800 and buy ammo with the rest but Im not a name brand groupie.

rickster1269
09-14-2012, 11:05 PM
Hated mine, inaccurate and over priced. Mounted a Larue SPR with a Trijicon TR20 3-9. I shot only XM193 55gr and M855 62gr but never had any better than 3" groups @100. Id put the $ into a quality AR build. $1450 is steep BTW. Many little quality control issues like a canted quad rail, and cheap front flip sight.

TZL
09-14-2012, 11:07 PM
I have two and like them a lot

They are very front heavy, not as versatile as an ar15

The factory trigger is awesome !

secret.asian.man
09-14-2012, 11:08 PM
tell him to do what makes him happy. show him the sig 522 (http://www.riflegear.com/p-715-sig-sauer-sig522-classic-22lr-rifle.aspx). and use the rest of the money on an AR build.

1911Operator
09-14-2012, 11:09 PM
Hated mine, inaccurate and over priced. Mounted a Larue SPR with a Trijicon TR20 3-9. I shot only XM193 55gr and M855 62gr but never had any better than 3" groups @100. Id put the $ into a quality AR build. $1450 is steep BTW. Many little quality control issues like a canted quad rail, and cheap front flip sight.

He wants to buy new, and we saw the average for it was about $1,400-$1,500. He dsnt want to build a rifle, he wants a off the shelf gun and liked the SIG. Any subs for it that you would recommend?

shooter556
09-14-2012, 11:11 PM
With that much money I'd spend it on a quality AR15. But if that's what he ultimately wants he will still keep wanting one even after he buys something else.

EvolutionGSR
09-14-2012, 11:12 PM
He wants to buy new, and we saw the average for it was about $1,400-$1,500. He dsnt want to build a rifle, he wants a off the shelf gun and liked the SIG. Any subs for it that you would recommend?

Off the shelf subs: Daniel Defense gets my vote.

ChaneRZ
09-14-2012, 11:13 PM
Get a Sig 516 instead

1911Operator
09-14-2012, 11:13 PM
With that much money I'd spend it on a quality AR15. But if that's what he ultimately wants he will still keep wanting one even after he buys something else.

lol yea i know what you mean. Hes been watching torture tests and stuff like that. Also a big thing for him was the gas system. So it seems to be what he wants. But you know of anything like it with a piston upper?

rickster1269
09-14-2012, 11:13 PM
Robinson XCR is a good alternative IMO. Barnwood in Ripon has one for $1350 right now but it is lightly used if he wants something similar to the Sig that is.

Fherot
09-14-2012, 11:15 PM
Weird I heard Sig 556's were very accurate as they're the basic same uppers as Sig 55* series from Switzerland with Sig Sauer American lowers.

There's less aftermarket crap to stick on them and they are top heavy. If I was going to spend $1400 on an AR-style rifle it would be the Sig 556 (Classic for me).

If I was going to spend what I wanted I'd get a S&W M&P Sport for under $800. If price was no option I'd get a Scar...

ir0nclash86
09-14-2012, 11:17 PM
Has he checked out the Sig 516?

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rickster1269
09-14-2012, 11:17 PM
Weird I heard Sig 556's were very accurate as they're the basic same uppers as Sig 55* series from Switzerland with Sig Sauer American lowers.

Thats what I heard until I invested in one and found out the hard way

1911Operator
09-14-2012, 11:25 PM
If I had one dollar for everytime that vid said "the SIG 516" I could buy one too!

jpm804
09-14-2012, 11:34 PM
He wants to buy new, and we saw the average for it was about $1,400-$1,500. He dsnt want to build a rifle, he wants a off the shelf gun and liked the SIG. Any subs for it that you would recommend?

Seems like that OTD price seems a little bit high, since I swear I have been seeing them online for $1000 - $1100 before taxes and fees. But maybe after all the fees and taxes it gets up there.

If you friend wants a 556 and is willing to spend $1450 then maybe he might want to look at the SIG551 A1 for some more money. Unless he is really sold on the Rail on the SWAT model. I personally like classic look over the railed look on the 55* models.

I also finally was able to handle a 556R (7.62 version) in person and was not impressed with it..and this was selling for $1049. I dont know if I could pony up $1450 for one.

But if your friend's heart is set on one, I have heard they have worked out their early issue when they first were released and should be a decent rifle.

m03
09-14-2012, 11:36 PM
Weird I heard Sig 556's were very accurate as they're the basic same uppers as Sig 55* series from Switzerland with Sig Sauer American lowers.

The Swiss 550/551 is a different beast, as they're optimized for the Swiss GP90 ammo. Even then, you still have to consider that it's basically a more modular AK.

The 556 has a 1:7 twist, so accuracy with 55gr. lead core isn't the best.

Personally, if he's set on the 556 series, I'd steer him towards the Classic or the 551A1.

bighead
09-14-2012, 11:43 PM
They are great rifles.What they lack in precision they make up with reliability.The piston setup has been likened to the Ak.That being said 1400 is way too much, for that price you can have the 516.

LovingTheYear1911
09-14-2012, 11:59 PM
I vote 516

chead
09-15-2012, 12:06 AM
I'd look at the classic Sig rifles too if he's into the piston.

wfloo
09-15-2012, 12:26 AM
Why not look into a JP rifle? JP-15D or go semi custom for around $1999.00
Buy once cry once. :)

sigstroker
09-15-2012, 1:43 AM
This is the one based on the 550/551, right? At least the 550 is used by a military, which I doubt any Robinson is. The 550 is a superior design to the M16 in many ways. Many years ago they brought one and 20k rounds to SOF and let potential customers shoot it as much as they want. They burned through it all without cleaning the rifle.

HKDoc
09-15-2012, 2:22 AM
Sig 516

GM4spd
09-15-2012, 6:22 AM
Buy the 556,your life insurance underwriter will thank you. Pete

http://fototime.com/8D94372F05CF706/large.jpg

intensefab
09-15-2012, 7:42 AM
I had one and liked it....the only problem I had was that it was front heavy, which I did not like. No other problems with it, would eat any and all ammo.

rickster1269
09-15-2012, 7:43 AM
The gun is about $1450 out the door new. He has been wanting a AR type for a while. and likes the SIG. What do you guys think?? any big issues or anything with these?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=619812

emptybottle151
09-15-2012, 9:53 AM
Price is too high. I paid $1200 for my swat patrol back in 2010.

goodlookin1
09-15-2012, 10:01 AM
Sig 516 is just another AR-15 with a proprietary piston system. I'm sure it's a fine rifle, just like most other AR-15 rifles out there. But the Sig 556 is a different beast: Folding stock (in free states) without a buffer system, long stroke piston, unique receiver design compared to the AR-15, completely different bolt, etc. It's just a different gun and shouldnt be compared to an AR-15, even though the shape and form is fairly similar.

My buddy just picked one up from a friend for $750, and that was a great deal. I'm thinking $1000-$1100 is a fair sale price these days.

Donk310
09-15-2012, 10:35 AM
No problems that I know of. If he likes it and has the money, let him get it.

AVID HUNTER
09-15-2012, 10:46 AM
Nothin wrong with a Daniel Defense V5! In fact I am in the market for one right now.

duc748bip
09-15-2012, 10:49 AM
Congratulate him?

1911Operator
09-15-2012, 11:11 AM
Where are you guys finding these sig 556's for under $1200??? ive looked around and cant! any gun shops or links in my area??

Stockton
09-15-2012, 11:15 AM
Alternative to off the shelf piston AR would be POF.

Striker
09-15-2012, 11:53 AM
The gun is about $1450 out the door new. He has been wanting a AR type for a while. and likes the SIG. What do you guys think?? any big issues or anything with these?

First, the 556 is more AK than AR, so if it's an AR he's looking for, that's not the right rifle. If he wants an AR, he should buy an AR. If he wants an AK, he should buy an AK. But I would buy something from Arsenal if I wanted an AK. For that much money, I would buy a good DI AR like Daniel Defense or even something like a Larue Predatar. If he wants piston, I would save more money until I had enough for at least an LWRC and preferably an HK.

MrPlink
09-15-2012, 2:19 PM
. He has been wanting a AR type for a while. and likes the SIG.?

so lemme guess, you put rails on something and it becomes an ar now?

Speedpower
09-15-2012, 2:37 PM
SIG556 are very reliable, accuracy is ok, I used to have one, it's more of a combination AR/AK, it uses standard AR magazines and AR mag lock system (Radlock, Bullet button) trigger is awesome too!

1911Operator
09-15-2012, 2:51 PM
you guys know what I mean, AR type rifle = (uses ar mags)

Mr Malarkey
09-15-2012, 5:36 PM
Also a big thing for him was the gas system. So it seems to be what he wants. But you know of anything like it with a piston upper?
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=620273

ChaneRZ
09-15-2012, 6:27 PM
So did he buy it?

1911Operator
09-15-2012, 6:42 PM
So did he buy it?

Yea he ended up getting it and hes getting a deal on a SIG 516 next week.

emptybottle151
09-15-2012, 7:30 PM
So is he going to get a SIG pistol to complete the package?

nitroxdiver
09-15-2012, 8:52 PM
Sig 556 rifle is a great rifle. However, the only thing AR like about it is it's black and accepts NATO STANAG (Standardization Agreement) magazines.

Sig DID have some CQ issues with them early on. Following this rifle for a while, it seems they have squared themselves away. I had one and loved it, but sold it and bought a 551 A1 when they came out, as it was cosmetically closer to a swiss sig 551 and uses the Swiss sig magazines for which the rifle was designed around.

Have fun, they are great!

castelle
09-16-2012, 9:18 AM
I love my 556, handles any ammo, shoots accurate, weight is good although a little front heavy (offset by some C123 batteries in the stock) but overall a good rifle. I picked mine up at Turners (used) for $800.

kcjr1125
09-16-2012, 9:36 AM
I have a patrol swat and love it, I think the 516 is ok but the 556 did it for me, it's what makes sense to you and what you like

inferno03
09-16-2012, 11:03 AM
I've shot my friends 556 several times. They supposedly have high reliability reputation. We compared my CMMG to his sig using Tula ammo and my rifle had 2 FTF out of 40 rounds and his had 3 FTF and 4 FTE out of 20 rounds. Maybe it was dumb luck but that and two other times were the only times i ever had a FTF. Maybe it was the ammo but he claims his has never jammed since with other ammo. Other than that, it shoots really nice, the piston system shoots cleaner and it is pretty accurate, but it is front heavy.

james758
09-16-2012, 7:30 PM
I have a 556 swat patrol. I have had ZERO malfunctions with it. It may not be able to pop off a golf ball at 100 yds, but I hit steel plates all day long with an ACOG (X4) at 400 yds.
As stated about 5 dozen times, it is a little front heavy but that can be alleviated somewhat by getting the "patrol" version.
It shoots the brass out at about your 2 o'clock so you are not going to be shooting brass at the guy 3 benches to your right.
The factory trigger is smooth. You will never have to replace it.
Its the upper receiver of a SIG 55* rifle, with a lower receiver that takes AR mags. In my opinion, it is the best rifle you can get.
I have an AR, I have an AK, and I have a SIG 556. The Sig is by far my favorite.

JDW67
09-16-2012, 7:32 PM
No, do not not have him buy that POS

zombiescanlearn
09-16-2012, 9:03 PM
I had a Sig 556. Loved it. It's an AR-AK combo and it's unique. Accuracy? An operator's issue, not the rifle. I sold mine to get an HK MR556 but I'm thinking about getting another one that is until I found a Galil mini and a Sterling carbine that I couldn't say no to. So, the Sig will have to wait.

jvh22a
09-16-2012, 10:51 PM
i got the sig 556 swat for $1199 at rifle gear. i love it. no problems at all.
like others have said it is really front heavy!

one thing i dont like is that i have to remove the charge handle when transporting it in a rifle bag. but love the side charging though.
i lost the charge handle last week and called customer service and they sent me a new one. will be here tuesday cant wait.