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bhands
09-10-2012, 12:45 PM
Ok so on Friday, 9/14, I am walking into my local gun shop to DROS either a Glock 21 or Glock 17. I have shot the 21 and the 19 but not the 17 I wouldn't think it is much different from the 19 just bigger mabye a little less recoil. This will be my first handgun so I am not the best aim but I quickly learn and I am getting better with every trip to the range. I feel that I shot well with the 21 and was able to handle the recoil without problem. I am just looking for opinions on which way others think is a good start.

Thank you for your help with this tough decision :).

DRAB_81
09-10-2012, 12:54 PM
If I were in your shoes, the G17 would be a no-brainer. I have 9mm, 10mm & 45 Glocks, and I love them all, but you can get twice the practice for the same money you'll be spending on ammo with the G17. Since it's your first handgun, it will be extremely beneficial to get as many rounds down range as possible. Wallyworld sells 100rds of 9mm for about $25, while 100rds of 45 goes for about $38.

corcoraj2002
09-10-2012, 12:58 PM
1. Goto Range.
B. Rent the type of gun you are interested in.
iii. buy your favorite.
* Win

killathrilla
09-10-2012, 12:58 PM
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InGrAM
09-10-2012, 12:58 PM
Other, M&P 9.

POINTMANDDT
09-10-2012, 1:00 PM
The glock 21 has a wider grip. It's not the same feel as the 17. I personally love my glock 17.

SA227driver
09-10-2012, 1:03 PM
What's the purpose of this gun? HD, ranger plinker, backpacking, a mix of all? Why not a 19? Too big of hands? Have you done your research on ammo prices? It will be more expensive with the .45, but you've narrowed your selection down to a few good options.

I personally went with the 19 for a couple reasons:

1.) It's small enough to be concealed.

2.) Being in California, and limited to 10-round mags, I wasn't gaining more rounds by getting a 17; so I went with a 19.

3.) The 19 has been great for my wife and friends to learn with.

4.) Once again, it conceals really well, has a light rail option, and a felt better in my hands over a 17.

The 21/21SF is a great platform all around. For a lot of people it comes down to the price point of ammo.

Good luck with your decision.

The Mad Mule
09-10-2012, 1:11 PM
I would personally start with 9mm since ammo is cheaper, and eventually add a .45 in.

Also, the finger groove spacing is different on the 17 than the 19, so take note of that.

NorCalXJ
09-10-2012, 1:13 PM
what about the G19? I have smaller hands and the G19 feels more comfortable. But it is up to you.

TATER313
09-10-2012, 1:16 PM
9mm is cheaper to shoot, but if you reload then 45 can save you lots.

scglock
09-10-2012, 1:18 PM
17.

jessegpresley
09-10-2012, 1:21 PM
Your G17 is already 40% empty when you put in a fresh mag because of 10 round restrictions. G19. The .40 is dying, people are going 9 or 45.

killathrilla
09-10-2012, 1:28 PM
9mm....such a cute round :)

enzo357
09-10-2012, 1:32 PM
Everyone should have a 17. Just does so many things well. Years from now when you have a vast collection of hand guns, you will still appreciate the 17.

Shenaniguns
09-10-2012, 1:49 PM
I say a Glock 19 or 17 if you're never going to carry concealed, shooting a 9mm will be easier for you to learn how to shoot quickly accurately since there is less felt recoil.

bhands
09-10-2012, 1:54 PM
What's the purpose of this gun? HD, ranger plinker, backpacking, a mix of all? Why not a 19? Too big of hands? Have you done your research on ammo prices? It will be more expensive with the .45, but you've narrowed your selection down to a few good options.

I personally went with the 19 for a couple reasons:

1.) It's small enough to be concealed.

2.) Being in California, and limited to 10-round mags, I wasn't gaining more rounds by getting a 17; so I went with a 19.

3.) The 19 has been great for my wife and friends to learn with.

4.) Once again, it conceals really well, has a light rail option, and a felt better in my hands over a 17.

The 21/21SF is a great platform all around. For a lot of people it comes down to the price point of ammo.

Good luck with your decision.

The purpose is all of the above.

My GF shot the 19 and said it had too much recoil, she's weird. Plus I think she should have her own gun that she really loves.

The 17 is a little bigger and my hands are huge so thats why 17 over 19.

tbc
09-10-2012, 1:57 PM
The 19 looks better.

The 17 shoots better.

My two cents.

bhands
09-10-2012, 1:57 PM
Thank you everyone for the help. I think my first handgun will be the 17. I am not too worried about the price difference in ammo but if something is half price why wouldn't you start there? I am sure I will get the 21 in a month or so:D I do feel, from all the reading and researching I've done, the .45 is the better choice for HD but I believe the 17 will be sufficent for now. Thanks again calgunners and please keep the opinions comming.

Shenaniguns
09-10-2012, 1:58 PM
The purpose is all of the above.

My GF shot the 19 and said it had too much recoil, she's weird. Plus I think she should have her own gun that she really loves.

The 17 is a little bigger and my hands are huge so thats why 17 over 19.


Sounds like she needs some training of the fundamentals.

Sbasham
09-10-2012, 1:58 PM
9mm....such a cute round :)

Why do you like .45 ACP?

Shenaniguns
09-10-2012, 2:01 PM
9mm....such a cute round :)



So is .223 so what's your point?

killathrilla
09-10-2012, 2:03 PM
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InGrAM
09-10-2012, 2:04 PM
Oh... god. People this is NOT a caliber debate thread, please don't even start....

tbhracing
09-10-2012, 2:07 PM
Get the 17 and it will serve you well for life. Dont buy the anti-9mm hype.

Shenaniguns
09-10-2012, 2:12 PM
I love the fact that it is a big girthy round going down range with knock down power that's guaranteed. There r a lotta reasons the government is getting away from 9 millimeter... and even more reasons why Special Forces guys havehave traded thier 9 millimeters for 45s..... the only other round Id buy is a 357 wheel gun;)

1. you watch too many movies.
2. SF guys are also stuck to Full Metal Jacket ammo, we are not.

killathrilla
09-10-2012, 2:24 PM
^^lol

SgtMerc
09-10-2012, 2:34 PM
Of the two choices you posted in OP, i would say go with the G17. Others have stated, 9mm is cheaper, and it will get you more practice.

Later on, when you're ready, you can start looking at other guns. Personally, I would suggest your .45 be a 1911 of some sort. This way you have a variety of different firearms.

No, i'm not trying to turn this into a 9mm vs .45 thread, or a glock vs 1911 thread. I'm just stating that if you're getting your first glock, get the G17. if you're set on 45, get a 1911. Nobody can accuse you of being a fanboy if you have one of each.

Shenaniguns
09-10-2012, 2:47 PM
Of the two choices you posted in OP, i would say go with the G17. Others have stated, 9mm is cheaper, and it will get you more practice.

Later on, when you're ready, you can start looking at other guns. Personally, I would suggest your .45 be a 1911 of some sort. This way you have a variety of different firearms.

No, i'm not trying to turn this into a 9mm vs .45 thread, or a glock vs 1911 thread. I'm just stating that if you're getting your first glock, get the G17. if you're set on 45, get a 1911. Nobody can accuse you of being a fanboy if you have one of each.


Who gives a crap? I carry a Glock 9mm since I'm proficient with it, not to impress people on forums.

23 Blast
09-10-2012, 2:50 PM
Your G17 is already 40% empty when you put in a fresh mag because of 10 round restrictions. G19. The .40 is dying, people are going 9 or 45.

.40 is dying? Don't tell the PD! :eek:

:D Not flamin' ya, man - just that .40 seems to be the semi-official caliber of law enforcement, kinda like .38 Special back in the day.

As to OP's question - seems his heart is set on a Glock, and that's fine. They're great weapons and don't have doodads like external safety levers, grip safeties, mag disconnects, or unnecessary good looks.

Between the 17 and the 21, I'd pick the 17. I love .45, don't get me wrong, but 9mm is plenty potent and much cheaper for practice.

Squidward
09-10-2012, 3:01 PM
I say you have two choices:

1) Get the Glock 17.

2) Or do something that is a rarity on the internet. Disregard everyone's
opinion (mine included) and get whatever the hell you want.

HKchucksta
09-10-2012, 3:24 PM
Glock 17 is a great first gun. Good friend of mine just picked one up. Although it doesn't feel the best in my hand (I have a SIG myself) it shoots great!

bhands
09-10-2012, 3:24 PM
Sounds like she needs some training of the fundamentals.

I agree, it was her first time shooting a 9mm and she is learning she wants to sign up for classes.

bhands
09-10-2012, 3:25 PM
The 19 looks better.

The 17 shoots better.

My two cents.

Why is it that the 17 shoots better?

DArBad
09-10-2012, 3:30 PM
I vote the Glock 17.

tbc
09-10-2012, 3:46 PM
Why is it that the 17 shoots better?

Longer sight radius. Less muzzle flip.

And I shot a much tighter group with a 17.:D

kpblade
09-10-2012, 3:57 PM
I have 3-G30s, 2-G21s, a G36, an M&P 45 and 4-1911s. I shoot .45 alot. I also have 1 G17. My recommendation is the 17. It is cheaper to shoot, almost twice as many rounds for the same cost of a box of .45. For starting out, twice as many rounds downrange for the same cost will make you better more quickly. I know that you can probably handle the G21, but you are probably less likely to learn bad habits with the smaller caliber while starting out. You can always trade up and sell later without losing too much. Just my 2 cents... Also, my smaller frame G30s are at least as accurate or even more so than my 21s. The 1911s are a different story.

SgtMerc
09-10-2012, 4:19 PM
Who gives a crap? I carry a Glock 9mm since I'm proficient with it, not to impress people on forums.

hostile much? i should have added the :D at the end of my statement to show i was being light-hearted. It was light ribbing at the fact that these threads tend to devolve into caliber or glock/1911 wars.

Oceanbob
09-10-2012, 4:21 PM
If I were in your shoes, the G17 would be a no-brainer. I have 9mm, 10mm & 45 Glocks, and I love them all, but you can get twice the practice for the same money you'll be spending on ammo with the G17. Since it's your first handgun, it will be extremely beneficial to get as many rounds down range as possible. Wallyworld sells 100rds of 9mm for about $25, while 100rds of 45 goes for about $38.

This^^^^^^^^

9MM is base caliber in most of the entire world; the GLOCK 17 is a base handgun that is a cornerstone of any Gun Collection.

(Get the G21SF later)

Welcome to handguns..!

Lead Waster
09-11-2012, 11:51 AM
I have the "fat frame" G21 Gen 2. I couldn't shoot it straight until I learned how to shoot with both hands in the "thumbs forward" grip. It really has a brick for a grip, but since OP said he tried it and liked it... I'd have to still say start with the 17. Cheaper rounds, enough for HD.

If you are punching paper, why not punch twice as many holes for the same price? 100 rounds of 9mm or 50 rounds of .45? (Or 500 rounds of .22lr)

Sam
09-11-2012, 12:13 PM
9mm will be cheaper and easier to shoot. Cheaper ammunition means that you can practice more, which is what is most important.

jonzer77
09-11-2012, 12:26 PM
Always remember, a 9mm may expand but a 45 never shrinks :)

VNGHOST
09-11-2012, 12:50 PM
i had both. the only one i kept is the 21 sf. 9mm is cheaper but your gonna get bored and eventually get up to a .45 . and my 21sf had about half the recoil of my colt 1911.

savannah
09-11-2012, 12:51 PM
I bought a Glock 19 and the 9mm is enough for me. I am pretty good with it, but after 150 rounds last week, my arms are sore. I intend to work with this gun a lot so for now, 9mm is enough.

I agree with Shennaniguns. Use it, get proficient. No need to try and impress.

Squid
09-11-2012, 12:55 PM
bonus, IIRC the convt 9mm barrel will be slightly heavier, so you wont need to buy a tungsten rod for $50 or weighted mag well for $30 so the 9mm barrel really only costs $50

I'd get either 23 or 35

slightly compact is good, but if you go full size the extra sight radius makes a diff.

bubbagump
09-11-2012, 2:16 PM
My first Glock was a 21.

I loved it...BUT...

It was too damned big for my girly-man-hands. I would have to excessively shift the pistol in my shooting hand to reach the mag release/slide stop with my thumb. My rounds would impact to the left due to my trigger finger barely reaching the trigger.

If I put on gloves, it made things even worse.

Wish I would have shot one at the range before purchase.

On top of all that, shooting .45 ACP gets expensive on my income.

I would say G17 all the way for your first pistol.

INFAMOUS762X39
09-11-2012, 2:17 PM
9mm will be cheaper and easier to shoot. Cheaper ammunition means that you can practice more, which is what is most important.

This.

My pick:
17 for the Range
19 for Home Defense
26 or 27 for Carry Conceal

Lead Waster
09-11-2012, 2:19 PM
My first Glock was a 21.

I loved it...BUT...

It was too damned big for my girly-man-hands. I would have to excessively shift the pistol in my shooting hand to reach the mag release/slide stop with my thumb. My rounds would impact to the left due to my trigger finger barely reaching the trigger.

If I put on gloves, it made things even worse.

Wish I would have shot one at the range before purchase.

On top of all that, shooting .45 ACP gets expensive on my income.

I would say G17 all the way for your first pistol.

Everything you just said is exactly my experience with my Gen 2 G21.

If you shoot two hands, thumbs forward, it works better. Holding the G21 in one hand is for manly men with menly manly man hands, which I don't have. (Nobody does! This is why the SF came about!)

Sam
09-11-2012, 2:47 PM
This.

My pick:
17 for the Range
19 for Home Defense
26 or 27 for Carry Conceal

Why would you go with a 19 for home defense over a 17?

ThE_LoNgShOt
09-11-2012, 2:53 PM
G17 because it's cheaper to shoot...

INFAMOUS762X39
09-11-2012, 2:54 PM
Why would you go with a 19 for home defense over a 17?

It's Personal Preference. More compact for me.

JMP
09-11-2012, 3:02 PM
100% 9mm (or .22) for your first gun. Also, if you are sure you want a Glock, what about a G34?

DannyInSoCal
09-11-2012, 3:13 PM
G21 -

That way you can upgrade to .50GI

:43:

ExtremeX
09-11-2012, 3:21 PM
1. Goto Range.
B. Rent the type of gun you are interested in.
iii. buy your favorite.
* Win

^^ This

Tee Why
09-12-2012, 1:16 PM
I have the 21SF and have shot the 17 and the 19 before. As a matter of fact, will be picking up my very own 17 on the 18th.
I find that the 17 shoots softer, not that 21 kicks that much, but it's more than the 17. Not sure if that will be a factor for you or not.

I voted for the 17 b/c if it's your first gun, it's cheaper, slightly smaller, softer shooting, and cheaper to shoot. But if the price isn't a factor and you like the 45 over the 9, then I say the 21 or the 21 sf.

Glock is a glock, just pick your caliber and the size (S/M/L).

bhands
09-12-2012, 1:22 PM
bonus, IIRC the convt 9mm barrel will be slightly heavier, so you wont need to buy a tungsten rod for $50 or weighted mag well for $30 so the 9mm barrel really only costs $50

I'd get either 23 or 35

slightly compact is good, but if you go full size the extra sight radius makes a diff.

This sounds like another good idea. Can I get some more info? Where would I get the 9mm barrel? What are the cons?

CK_32
09-12-2012, 3:06 PM
17 no doubt

bsg
09-12-2012, 10:27 PM
G17 and G19 are both good buys; sooner or later you'll have both.

cebuvfr
09-12-2012, 11:08 PM
for the "first", i'd go with the g17. fun to shoot, cheap ammo and once you get used to the recoil, then i'd get a g21 or a 1911.

dawn777
09-12-2012, 11:18 PM
how about glock 34?

Squidward
09-13-2012, 11:06 AM
Ok so on Friday, 9/14, I am walking into my local gun shop to DROS either a Glock 21 or Glock 17. I have shot the 21 and the 19 but not the 17 I wouldn't think it is much different from the 19 just bigger mabye a little less recoil. This will be my first handgun so I am not the best aim but I quickly learn and I am getting better with every trip to the range. I feel that I shot well with the 21 and was able to handle the recoil without problem. I am just looking for opinions on which way others think is a good start.

Thank you for your help with this tough decision :).

Tomorrow is the day! Any decision yet??

J.D.Allen
09-13-2012, 11:20 AM
I voted G17 because I prefer 9mm. But you really can't go wrong with either one.

Consider this quote from one of the foremost experts on this subject:

"Unless your department picks your caliber for you, pick the platform you shoot best, then decide on caliber from there. Basically all the standard service calibers work when using good quality ammunition; the platform picked tends to dictate the caliber. Currently the best duty pistols going right out of the box are probably the 9 mm Gen 3 Glocks, 4th gen Glock 21, S&W M&P40 & 45's, as well as the HK P30 and HK45."

And another quote from the same expert:

"If you want a Glock, get it in 9 mm, as the pre-2011 3rd gen 9 mm Glocks are probably the most proven pistols available. The new 4th gen G21's are also working well so far."

Lumpia is sarap!
09-13-2012, 1:51 PM
Every American should own a .45:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/Gregdog/Pin%20Ups/DSCN3215.jpg

DArBad
09-13-2012, 1:51 PM
One more day to go, I hope the OP had already made a decision.:)

bhands
09-24-2012, 2:54 PM
Sorry for the delay guys but someone stole the catalytic converter off my 4runner so that plus I bought some much needed armor for my 4runner, skid plate and sliders, has put my gun purchase on delay. I thank eveyone for their opinions. I will be purchasing the G17 because of price, comfort and the reliability on Saturday probably from Sacramento Black Rifle since that is the best price I have found so far.

RED VASQUEZ
09-24-2012, 3:55 PM
17 first, cheaper ammo=more range time. Then 21 for fun/HD. Since you're buying .45 acp for the 21 you should get a 1911 to go with it. Then when you need something for CC you should get a 19. Then you should get some wheelguns.:D

ROCKETW19
09-24-2012, 4:14 PM
Sorry for the delay guys but someone stole the catalytic converter off my 4runner so that plus I bought some much needed armor for my 4runner, skid plate and sliders, has put my gun purchase on delay. I thank eveyone for their opinions. I will be purchasing the G17 because of price, comfort and the reliability on Saturday probably from Sacramento Black Rifle since that is the best price I have found so far.

oh man you are like the 10th person that had the CC stole off a toyota crazy what people will do for a buck.

check out "the gun range" off of watt and 80 it has the lowest prices I have ever seen. and you can shoot the gun while it is in jail as they are a indoor range. just cant take home but you can shoot first day you pay for it.

bhands
09-24-2012, 4:43 PM
oh man you are like the 10th person that had the CC stole off a toyota crazy what people will do for a buck.

check out "the gun range" off of watt and 80 it has the lowest prices I have ever seen. and you can shoot the gun while it is in jail as they are a indoor range. just cant take home but you can shoot first day you pay for it.

Yeah while I was at the shop getting mine replaced there was another guy there getting two replaced on his Sequoia. I will definitely have to check out the gun range. I had a buddy of mine tell me they are cheap and I have been checking out their webste but I havent had a chance to go check it out. Thanks for the heads up.

CK_32
09-24-2012, 4:47 PM
17/19 IMO..

Everyone I know that owned a 21 hates it including me not a fan of the fat grip..

I like 45 in 1911s and sigs personally.

Mossy Man
09-24-2012, 5:15 PM
9mm

cheaper ammo = more ammo = more training = more win

Timmm
09-24-2012, 5:46 PM
I went with a G17, then went up .45 acp g30 and then found a good deal on a g26. I think that it for me and Glocks. Aww, maybe a 10mm down the road.

USMC 82-86
09-24-2012, 6:33 PM
I have the G19 and it is a great gun. I am also thinking about adding the G17 to the collection as well.

Dhena81
09-24-2012, 7:03 PM
Whatever you get should be in 9mm. All HD handgun calibers are underpowered. But with the 9 you can train and practice what you trained more often. So if your more proficient with your firearm your less likely to miss what your aiming at.

I'd go with the G17 I'm biased, and don't start tricking it out with fancy crap you don't need. If its for HD all you need besides ammo and mags are new sights and a flashlight. If you want to train get the above and a holster and good belt.