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gunfan74
09-05-2012, 8:01 PM
hello, can anyone recommend a reliable and accurate semi-auto .22 for steel challenge and fun plinking? not interested in gsg 1911/22

MiddleKingdom
09-05-2012, 8:45 PM
Are you looking for a .22 version of a combat handgun? If so, take a look at what Smith and Ruger have to offer.

surplus-addict
09-05-2012, 9:47 PM
hello, can anyone recommend a reliable and accurate semi-auto .22 for steel challenge and fun plinking? not interested in gsg 1911/22

M&P-22 is a good one, and the SR-22 is a great pic in my opinion.

kmca
09-05-2012, 10:07 PM
You'll probably see more Rugers and Buckmarks than anything for Steel Challenge. Marvel conversions are popular, work well, once you get the bugs worked out, and Tactical Solutions conversions are being seen more. Once you find the ammunition your pistol likes, they're pretty much the same. Reliability is number one for Steel Challenge.

Edit to add: Smith & Wesson Model 41

Speedpower
09-05-2012, 10:37 PM
hello, can anyone recommend a reliable and accurate semi-auto .22 for steel challenge and fun plinking? not interested in gsg 1911/22

The best will be a RUGER MK III pistol or a Browning Buckmark.

gunfan74
09-06-2012, 4:42 AM
I'm not exactly particular to Ruger or browning or tactical solutions. Like kmca said, reliability is my number one objective. It really doesn't matter to me if it looks like full size combat handgun, or if it looks like anything else. I would like to get one that will run flawlessly on the cheaper ammo like the Remington 550rd brick or won Winchester 333rd brick. Any input is much appreciated.

Excaliburr
09-06-2012, 7:14 AM
The best will be a RUGER MK III pistol or a Browning Buckmark.



+1 Vote for me.

Sennasixty8
09-06-2012, 8:43 AM
I'm throwing my .02 in , with my recent 'jailing' of a Ruger SR22, my second pick was the S&W MP22, then the Ruger 22/45, and so on.. Ruger MK3 or Browning Buckmarks ain't cheap (but both are great choices) !

gunfan74
09-06-2012, 9:14 AM
So which ones are inexpensive but reliable?

kmca
09-06-2012, 9:15 AM
I'm not exactly particular to Ruger or browning or tactical solutions. Like kmca said, reliability is my number one objective. It really doesn't matter to me if it looks like full size combat handgun, or if it looks like anything else. I would like to get one that will run flawlessly on the cheaper ammo like the Remington 550rd brick or won Winchester 333rd brick. Any input is much appreciated.

I've been using a 22/45 for about 5 years. I recently picked up a Buckmark for a back up. The 22/45 runs Federal 550's (now 525's) with perhaps 1 failure to fire every 2 or 3k rounds. The Buckmark runs Winchester and Remington with about the same reliability. I have a C-More on the Ruger and a Tasco PDP III on the Buckmark and I am faster with the Tasco, so that's the one I've been using lately. It took a few more modifications to the Ruger to make me happy though. I also use a Kimber when I feel like using iron sights, but I just can't make it as reliable as the other two.

Added: Inexpensive?...the Ruger and Buckmark are about the same. I put more money into the Ruger than the Buckmark with modifications. They aren't "cheap", but then if it's for Steel Challenge, reliability should be your first priority. The Marvel conversions cost more and require more tinkering to get them to work right. Not sure about the Tactical Solutions, but they are pricey. If you take the Challenge seriously, the extra $50 or $100 you spend on the gun, will seem small compared to the cost of ammunition and traveling to places to shoot.

gunfan74
09-06-2012, 11:10 AM
Thanks! I prefer to buy the better gun that will reliably run cheap ammo. I will be running iron sights. Unless I buy an optic. Last time I did steel challenge, I shot my 1911 with factory .45 in 230gr. boy was that expensive.

kmca
09-06-2012, 11:27 AM
Thanks! I prefer to buy the better gun that will reliably run cheap ammo. I will be running iron sights. Unless I buy an optic. Last time I did steel challenge, I shot my 1911 with factory .45 in 230gr. boy was that expensive.

I haven't found a rimfire that won't fire one of the brands of cheap ammunition, Blazer, Remington, Winchester or Federal, especially after you break it in. If you're serious about the Challenge, you'll be getting a red dot soon. Remember, at the Challenge, you're all put together in one list (one for centerfire, one for rimfire), fastest wins, regardless of gun or sights.

PoorRichRichard
09-06-2012, 11:42 AM
Check out S&W 22a. Upgrade to aftermarket sights if you are going to use iron sights. If you wanna go red dot, the 22a already has the rail on the gun. I'm getting. Red do for mine soon. Great gun, reliable, and accurate. Shop around, and you can find them for under $250.

gunfan74
09-06-2012, 11:48 AM
Are they reliable on bulk 'brick' ammo?

NytWolf
09-06-2012, 11:51 AM
Take a look at the Walther P22 also.

http://www.christiangunowner.com/images/waltherside.jpg

gunfan74
09-06-2012, 12:14 PM
@ NytWolf, I've looked at the walther p22's I love the way they feel in my hand, though haven't seen one with the comp on the end. I've heard mixed things about reliability on these. Also a friend of mine had a walther g22, which I believe is the same action, but in a carbine stock. His almost never fed reliably even with CCI mini mags.

PoorRichRichard
09-06-2012, 12:40 PM
Yes, the 22a shoots EVERTHING I put through it. I've used CCI blazers, Fed bulk, CCI Mini Mags, Fed Lighting, and a few others I can't remember off the top of my head. I like CCI Blazers the best because they are fairly clean, and I can find then consistently for $20 a box (525 rounds).

Also, if you can ever find someone selling an off list S&W 422 via PPT with a 6" barrel (I can't speak to the 4" and 2" barreled versions as I've never fired them), buy the hell outta that gun!!! Best feeling and most accurate 22 I've ever shot.

kmca
09-06-2012, 12:54 PM
Too bad for you, they moved the World Championship to Florida and you missed the regional this year, or you could check out the guns. I'd guess you've probably been to Piru to check things out.

As for cost, don't forget to add in the 4 or 5 extra magazines you'll probably need.

gunfan74
09-06-2012, 2:03 PM
Yeah I've ran the Piru course. IDPA is becoming more and more addicting...

kmca
09-06-2012, 2:07 PM
Yeah I've ran the Piru course. IDPA is becoming more and more addicting...

IDPA??? Don't they do the Challenge there anymore:confused:

Izzy43
09-06-2012, 2:16 PM
Check out S&W 22a. Upgrade to aftermarket sights if you are going to use iron sights. If you wanna go red dot, the 22a already has the rail on the gun. I'm getting. Red do for mine soon. Great gun, reliable, and accurate. Shop around, and you can find them for under $250.

+1 ^^^. I have a 22A and it is very reliable using any type of bulk ammo or STD Velocity. Never had a failure in over 2000 rounds. Easly to clean, has an integral rail for optics, inexpensive with a lifetime warranty. Accuracy is very good. Down side is cheap plastic (thick) grips but you get used to it.

XVIga_Rob
09-06-2012, 9:17 PM
I bought a Buck Mark Plus UDX and love it!!! Good looking, reliable, and accurate!! It eats all .22lr that I've tried, and rocks the Federal 550 bulk.

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/images/images-by-title-name/Buck-Mark-Plus-UDX-MID-051428-m.jpg

gunfan74
09-07-2012, 7:23 AM
@ kmca, yes they still run IDPA at Piru.
http://isishootists.com/

@ Izzy43 and @ PoorRichRichard, do you know if the S&W 22A is on the California Roster?

macxd
09-07-2012, 8:23 AM
The best will be a RUGER MK III pistol or a Browning Buckmark.

This. Best bang for your buck. And yes, S&W 22A is on the roster. They can be had for $250-$300 from what I've seen.

Kestryll
09-07-2012, 9:59 AM
@ kmca, yes they still run IDPA at Piru.
http://isishootists.com/

@ Izzy43 and @ PoorRichRichard, do you know if the S&W 22A is on the California Roster?

Yes, they are on the roster I have one I bought not too long ago.
I'm not sure I'm keeping it though, it shoots fine I just much prefer my customized 22/45. The 22A doesn't fit my hand as well and I really like that the 22/45 feels like a 1911.

Of course the built in rail on the 22A is a very cool feature.

Izzy43
09-07-2012, 11:37 AM
Just saw one in Turner's in San Marcos last week. For the $$$ I think it is a good choice. Gotta tell ya that mine has never failed using any ammo. Heavy in the hand but an accurate shooter. Can't beat the warranty.

Excelsior
09-07-2012, 1:32 PM
No one asked you a very important question. Are you going to be shooting "open" (dots/optics) or "limited" (iron sights)? I would want at least a 5" barrel for a decent sight radius if I was shooting limited.

Without question the Ruger MKI-III and 22/45 will feed more reliably than anything else. I thought the 22/45 Hunter with a 6 7/8" fluted barrel and fiber optic sights was just about the perfect limited gun. Unfortunately Ruger stopped making the model.

Ruger does make a 5.5" 22/45 which is a great gun but the model with removable grips is not on the roster. The model with integral grips might feel a bit "thin" to some.

As far as the Ruger SR22 for SC? No -- not even with optics.

Excelsior
09-07-2012, 1:33 PM
This. Best bang for your buck. And yes, S&W 22A is on the roster. They can be had for $250-$300 from what I've seen.

S&W 22a's are not as reliable in competition as the Rugers, however. Nor are the M41's.

Excelsior
09-07-2012, 1:35 PM
Take a look at the Walther P22 also.

http://www.christiangunowner.com/images/waltherside.jpg

The reliability of the weapon compared to the Ruger would make me choose the Ruger.

PoorRichRichard
09-07-2012, 2:33 PM
+1 ^^^. I have a 22A and it is very reliable using any type of bulk ammo or STD Velocity. Never had a failure in over 2000 rounds. Easly to clean, has an integral rail for optics, inexpensive with a lifetime warranty. Accuracy is very good. Down side is cheap plastic (thick) grips but you get used to it.

Smith among others make aftermarket wood grips:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Category4_750001_750051_758005_-1_757843_757837_image

I don't think custom grips would be all that hard to make given a few simple woodworking tools, sandpaper, and some elbow grease.

Izzy43
09-07-2012, 4:02 PM
Smith among others make aftermarket wood grips:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Category4_750001_750051_758005_-1_757843_757837_image

I don't think custom grips would be all that hard to make given a few simple woodworking tools, sandpaper, and some elbow grease.

I have a set of wood grips (after market) on my 22A. Look great but make the grip of the pistol even larger. But like most things, I got used to them and don't regret the purchase.