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Flowmini98
09-03-2012, 10:21 PM
Ive been looking at options for 9mm HD ammo. I've found the Federal JHP 135 or 147G, but was wondering if there are any other suggestions?

Bug Splat
09-03-2012, 10:32 PM
Well, the Critical Defense seems to be loved right now. I really like Ranger-T's because of its solid history and cheap cost compared to its $1/round flavor of the month defense round.

AK all day
09-03-2012, 10:37 PM
I personally use "Winchester ranger 127 grain +p+ hollow points. I'm no expert, but there's my input.

6point9
09-03-2012, 10:41 PM
Here's a great read and list of options on home defense ammo from m4carbine: http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19887

223556
09-03-2012, 10:42 PM
+1 on the Critical Defense.
I have the 115g 9mm loaded in Glock 17, shoots very well.
The round itself is very relaible also.

INFAMOUS762X39
09-03-2012, 10:45 PM
I recently picked up two boxes of Hornady Critical Defense FTX. 115GR 9mm and 185GR .45 AUTO

Sbasham
09-03-2012, 10:45 PM
Id say Winchester "Whitebox" 147gr HP, $19.99 for a box of 50.

StratORcaster
09-03-2012, 10:46 PM
Use what your local PD uses.

californa
09-03-2012, 10:58 PM
Speer gold dot 124 grain +P seems to work fine in my glock 19 but not to cheap at $23 for a box of 20. I used two boxes to check reliablitiy and it was great and recoil is not bad at all a bit more that the range ammo.

Press Check
09-03-2012, 11:03 PM
I use Hornady Critical Defense. Fantastic round.

Press Check
09-03-2012, 11:05 PM
On a side note, I believe you should train with the same weight that you intend to use for HD. Since I use 115gr at the range, 115gr Critical Defense rounds made sense.

Czsp-01-9mm
09-03-2012, 11:13 PM
i use fed hst 124gr standard pressure, i wanna get some ranger t 124gr +p havent found a good price on it yet

Merz
09-03-2012, 11:15 PM
I run the Hornady Critical Defense and I like the ballistics on it. I have only fired it at the range but it's loaded in one of my CCW guns.

madstyle1
09-04-2012, 3:43 AM
I use Hornady critical duty hollow point 147gt

POINTMANDDT
09-04-2012, 7:30 AM
Speer gold dot 124 grain +P seems to work fine in my glock 19 but not to cheap at $23 for a box of 20. I used two boxes to check reliablitiy and it was great and recoil is not bad at all a bit more that the range ammo.

You can find the same stuff (Speer gold dot 124 gr +p) in boxes of 50 for around $25 -$30 a box.

I would say any of these would work great:

Speer gold dot 124 gr +p Or +p+
Winchester T series or SXT
Federal HST
Any corbon

The only hollow points I would stay away from are from reloading companies.

I did notice that the 147 gr seems to have more recoil/ push then the 115 gr in +p

XDRoX
09-04-2012, 7:37 AM
Feel confident with anything on this list. What anyone says past that is opinion.

I prefer heavier bullets in 9mm, so I use 147gr. But all of these are fine.

Barnes XPB 105 & 115 gr JHP (copper bullet)
Federal Tactical 124 gr JHP (LE9T1)
Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +P JHP
Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
Winchester Partition Gold 124 gr JHP (RA91P)
Winchester Ranger-T 127 gr +P+ JHP (RA9TA)
Federal Tactical 135 gr +P JHP (LE9T5)
Federal HST 147 gr JHP (P9HST2)
Remington Golden Saber 147 gr JHP (GS9MMC)
Speer Gold Dot 147 gr JHP
Winchester Ranger-T 147 gr JHP (RA9T)
Winchester 147 gr bonded JHP (RA9B/Q4364)

USMC 82-86
09-04-2012, 7:48 AM
I use the ranger T series 124gr +P and the Speer Gold dot 124gr +P.

USMC 82-86
09-04-2012, 7:51 AM
i use fed hst 124gr standard pressure, i wanna get some ranger t 124gr +p havent found a good price on it yet

I know it is not in your area, but Evans shooters world has this ammo for $25-$28 for a box of 50. I have not bought any in a while so I am not sure what they are going for right now, but it is probably still in that range.

guitargeak99
09-04-2012, 8:03 AM
It seems that majority is using the lighter bullets.
Why not the 147 gr?
I don't have a 9mm, but in .40 & .45 I use the heaviest bullets I can find

Red Devil
09-04-2012, 8:08 AM
This:

Federal HST 9mm 147 gr JHP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNRqrJRq4T0)

USMC 82-86
09-04-2012, 8:25 AM
It seems that majority is using the lighter bullets.
Why not the 147 gr?
I don't have a 9mm, but in .40 & .45 I use the heaviest bullets I can find

I have used the 147 gr but I have read that the better expansion was often seen in the lighter faster bullets. The heavier 147 grain did achieve better penetration in some cases but, it was often due to the bullets failure to expand. When shooting the 9mm expansion is very important when trying to create the most damage per round.

American Rifleman has a artical in the last issue with regards to handgun stopping power. The main focus was on a round that travels at least 1000ft per sec and expands to at least 1.5 times the original diameter and penetrates at least 13" in 10% ordnance gelatin.

J.D.Allen
09-04-2012, 8:56 AM
Feel confident with anything on this list. What anyone says past that is opinion.

I prefer heavier bullets in 9mm, so I use 147gr. But all of these are fine.

Barnes XPB 105 & 115 gr JHP (copper bullet)
Federal Tactical 124 gr JHP (LE9T1)
Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +P JHP
Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
Winchester Partition Gold 124 gr JHP (RA91P)
Winchester Ranger-T 127 gr +P+ JHP (RA9TA)
Federal Tactical 135 gr +P JHP (LE9T5)
Federal HST 147 gr JHP (P9HST2)
Remington Golden Saber 147 gr JHP (GS9MMC)
Speer Gold Dot 147 gr JHP
Winchester Ranger-T 147 gr JHP (RA9T)
Winchester 147 gr bonded JHP (RA9B/Q4364)

This.

This decision is not rocket science. Well, at least not for us, because people who know a lot more about this subject than any of us here have already done the work to find out what is acceptable as a defense round and what isn't. Pick something on this list that feeds reliably in your weapon. After that pick the one that is cheapest/most readily available to you. Buying in bulk online seems to be the best way to go for me. sgammo.com usually seems to have quite a few of the selections from this list available.

Actually, this is the more updated list from Doc GKR:

Barnes XPB 115 gr JHP (copper bullet)
Federal Tactical 124 gr JHP (LE9T1)
Federal HST 124 gr +P JHP (P9HST3)
Remington Golden Saber 124 gr +P JHP bonded (GSB9MMD)
Speer Gold Dot 124 gr JHP
Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +P JHP
Winchester Partition Gold 124 gr JHP (RA91P)
Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
Winchester Ranger Bonded 124 gr +P JHP (RA9BA)
Winchester Ranger-T 127 gr +P+ JHP (RA9TA)
Federal Tactical 135 gr +P JHP (LE9T5)
Federal HST 147 gr JHP (P9HST2)
Remington Golden Saber 147 gr JHP (GS9MMC)
Speer Gold Dot 147 gr JHP
Winchester Ranger-T 147 gr JHP (RA9T)
Winchester 147 gr bonded JHP (RA9B/Q4364)

A-J
09-04-2012, 9:09 AM
http://38super.net/Images/factory%20expansion/Glaser%20blue%20expansion.jpg

J.D.Allen
09-04-2012, 9:17 AM
http://38super.net/Images/factory%20expansion/Glaser%20blue%20expansion.jpg

NO!!!!!

Fragmentation is NOT a desirable trait in a pistol bullet. Rifle rounds, yes because of the much higher velocity, but not in a pistol.

XDRoX
09-04-2012, 10:02 AM
This.

This decision is not rocket science. Well, at least not for us, because people who know a lot more about this subject than any of us here have already done the work to find out what is acceptable as a defense round and what isn't. Pick something on this list that feeds reliably in your weapon. After that pick the one that is cheapest/most readily available to you. Buying in bulk online seems to be the best way to go for me. sgammo.com usually seems to have quite a few of the selections from this list available.

Actually, this is the more updated list from Doc GKR:

Barnes XPB 115 gr JHP (copper bullet)
Federal Tactical 124 gr JHP (LE9T1)
Federal HST 124 gr +P JHP (P9HST3)
Remington Golden Saber 124 gr +P JHP bonded (GSB9MMD)
Speer Gold Dot 124 gr JHP
Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +P JHP
Winchester Partition Gold 124 gr JHP (RA91P)
Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
Winchester Ranger Bonded 124 gr +P JHP (RA9BA)
Winchester Ranger-T 127 gr +P+ JHP (RA9TA)
Federal Tactical 135 gr +P JHP (LE9T5)
Federal HST 147 gr JHP (P9HST2)
Remington Golden Saber 147 gr JHP (GS9MMC)
Speer Gold Dot 147 gr JHP
Winchester Ranger-T 147 gr JHP (RA9T)
Winchester 147 gr bonded JHP (RA9B/Q4364)

Good to know, thanks.

CasperSYTFU
09-04-2012, 10:33 AM
Hornady Zombie Max ahaha because Green polymer is cooler.
Same exact round as critical defense.

kentactic
09-04-2012, 10:35 AM
Rangers awesome and a great price.

Saym14
09-04-2012, 10:43 AM
Winchester Ranger SXT 147 grain. same bullet as the black talon. good prices.

damngato
09-04-2012, 11:21 AM
Put the Rangers in both my HD guns, .45 and 9mm. Love them

J.D.Allen
09-04-2012, 11:23 AM
Winchester Ranger SXT 147 grain. same bullet as the black talon. good prices.

The SXT is an older design and is inferior to the newer Ranger T series...hence the reason why it is not on Doc GKR's list

Brandon04GT
09-04-2012, 11:51 AM
Can anyone school in me in a couple sentences about what are the best weights to go for in 9mm? I just got my first 9mm and I mostly only have experience with 45's. Is there a general preferance as to what weight is best? Kind of like how most people like to stick with 230gr in 45 but some go 185gr.

I don't want +P or bonded ammo for my 9 and I noticed that the Win Ranger T's only come in 147gr for non-bonded, standard pressure JHP.

peacedivision
09-04-2012, 11:54 AM
Running 147gr golden sabers at the moment.

JeremyS
09-04-2012, 11:58 AM
Well, the Critical Defense seems to be loved right now.Critical Duty has basically replaced it for "duty" use where it may have to penetrate barriers, etc. It's the "professional" version of Critical Defense, which was designed for civilians. They ARE different and they do perform differently for sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJZFZFmBKa0&feature=plcp


That said, I'm using Federal HST 147 grn. I think it's as good as anything on the market and the price is very reasonable. 50-round box from ammunitiontogo is $29.95.

theneko
09-04-2012, 12:31 PM
Can anyone school in me in a couple sentences about what are the best weights to go for in 9mm? I just got my first 9mm and I mostly only have experience with 45's. Is there a general preferance as to what weight is best? Kind of like how most people like to stick with 230gr in 45 but some go 185gr.

I don't want +P or bonded ammo for my 9 and I noticed that the Win Ranger T's only come in 147gr for non-bonded, standard pressure JHP.

Most people recommend the mid-range weights for the caliber so 124g in 9mm - it feeds well and expands well. The 147g velocities aren't always sufficient as someone mentioned above but you will always have people say "bigger is better" and will only shoot 147g.

For .45 ACP 230g is usually recommended as the 1911 was designed for it.

Legasat
09-04-2012, 12:40 PM
Speer Gold Dots, Federal HST, or Rangers.

Mr. Beretta
09-04-2012, 1:06 PM
This:

Federal HST 9mm 147 gr JHP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNRqrJRq4T0)



100%

InGrAM
09-04-2012, 3:21 PM
Cor-Bon 115gr +P JHP
http://www.shopcorbon.com/Self-Defense-JHP/9mm-Luger-Plus-P-115gr-CORBON-Self-Defense-JHP/SD09115-20/100/Product

J.D.Allen
09-04-2012, 3:27 PM
Can anyone school in me in a couple sentences about what are the best weights to go for in 9mm? I just got my first 9mm and I mostly only have experience with 45's. Is there a general preferance as to what weight is best? Kind of like how most people like to stick with 230gr in 45 but some go 185gr.

I don't want +P or bonded ammo for my 9 and I noticed that the Win Ranger T's only come in 147gr for non-bonded, standard pressure JHP.

Again...just pick something from the list. All the bullets on the list have been tested extensively and are adequate for defensive use.

That said, generally speaking the 147 is going to penetrate more than 124 or 115. But that can change based on the bullet design and velocity. For example most bonded rounds will penetrate more but expand less than non bonded rounds. Notice there is only 1 115 gr. round on that list, because most 115's lack sufficient penetration. Each bullet is going to be slightly different as far as penetration and expansion but all of those on the list are adequate in both categories.

As far as pressures are concerned, I like to stick to standard pressure rounds so as not to cause excess wear on the weapon. That said I'm currently using Golden Sabre 124 +P bonded bullets because I was able to pick up a bunch of them at a decent price a while ago and I know they feed reliably in my gun.

Not sure what you have against bonded bullets, they tend to perform better against intermediate barriers, but to each his own...

CK_32
09-04-2012, 3:49 PM
I'm a fan of anything with ranger or gold in the name. At least from the research I have in HD ammo.

But my 17 has a few mags stuffed with "cop killers" if the time comes.


**disclaimer I do not mean for killing cops.. Some of the older guys will know what I'm referring to**

zfields
09-04-2012, 4:17 PM
I recently picked up two boxes of Hornady Critical Defense FTX. 115GR 9mm and 185GR .45 AUTO

Two boxes? That isnt enough to even begin to test for reliability.

Freagan
09-05-2012, 1:49 AM
Federal HST 124gr +P

tradecraft
09-05-2012, 2:40 AM
I use and sell Federal HST 147gr (for around .40/rd it's a good value compared to some of the other stuff). I ran at least a few hundred rounds through my bedside gun before I was satisfied that it was GTG.

edit: numbers were off - mixed it up with some other ammo :)

SeanCasey
09-05-2012, 6:47 AM
Is regular range ammo really that bad? I use jhp too, but I'm guessing bad guys would still fall down if I put two range rounds center mass

The problem with FMJ is that your are much more likely to have over penetration. The expansion in HP rounds not only increase the damage potential but slows the round down significantly as it travels through the body.

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ainako
09-05-2012, 8:03 AM
no federal 9bp love?

tbhracing
09-05-2012, 8:21 AM
A lot of people are saying Critical Defense in their postings. I went with the CRITICAL DUTY 9mm round that is supposed to be the upgrade. Its all the rage right now in the NRA magazine and other publications.

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SpunkyJivl
09-05-2012, 11:35 AM
American Rifleman has a artical in the last issue with regards to handgun stopping power. The main focus was on a round that travels at least 1000ft per sec and expands to at least 1.5 times the original diameter and penetrates at least 13" in 10% ordnance gelatin.

Thast why I picked up Winchester PDX-1 147gr. They mentioned it performed better than expected.

NorCal Einstein
09-05-2012, 2:22 PM
I load up with Speer Gold Dot 147gr. I don't do +P because I don't practice with +P ammo.

Based on the pics I've seen I also like how HST expands. If I could get my hands on that for a reasonable price, I would.

Any of you guys use Corbon DPX? I was at WalMart picking up ammo this weekend and some guy was raving about DPX saying it "performed best in our tests" over and over.

Sam
09-05-2012, 2:32 PM
Again...just pick something from the list. All the bullets on the list have been tested extensively and are adequate for defensive use.

That said, generally speaking the 147 is going to penetrate more than 124 or 115. But that can change based on the bullet design and velocity. For example most bonded rounds will penetrate more but expand less than non bonded rounds. Notice there is only 1 115 gr. round on that list, because most 115's lack sufficient penetration. Each bullet is going to be slightly different as far as penetration and expansion but all of those on the list are adequate in both categories.

As far as pressures are concerned, I like to stick to standard pressure rounds so as not to cause excess wear on the weapon. That said I'm currently using Golden Sabre 124 +P bonded bullets because I was able to pick up a bunch of them at a decent price a while ago and I know they feed reliably in my gun.

Not sure what you have against bonded bullets, they tend to perform better against intermediate barriers, but to each his own...

I'll also add that subjectively the 147s seem to recoil the gun back slightly slower giving me the feeling that the gun is recoiling less. This is of course comparing the same round across different weights.

I like getting the HSTs because I can get them online for a reasonable price which is typically much less than the typical rounds bought at gun stores. I then prefer the 147 over the other acceptable HST load, 124 +P because I get a tad better penetration with less perceived recoil. I perceive the 147s to recoil less than 124s in the same pressure and definitely recoil less than 124 +P. I get slightly better penetration with less recoil, what's not to love?

ZombieTactics
09-05-2012, 2:51 PM
Your first and primary concern should always be basic reliability of penetration. Expansion at the cost of losing penetration is a losing proposition.

Over-penetration is over-hyped, IMHO. I can't find evidence of this being a genuine issue for concern. I am sure there are one-off anecdotes.

There is nothing "wrong" with a good old FMJ round. They do the job just fine all over the world.

When selecting a JHP or some other expanding round verify penetration before expansion. Anything on DocGKR's list should be fine, as should Hornaday Critical Defense, Hornaday Critical Duty or any of the Winchester PDX-1 series.

surplus-addict
09-05-2012, 3:37 PM
Critical DUTY 124Gr seems to do the trick for me. And it feeds well in the Walther P1, which is a plus.


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jyo
09-06-2012, 1:27 PM
I tend to have Remington 115 JHP +P (1250 FPS) loaded in my HD guns only because I have a good amount of this ammo. I also have a smaller stash of CorBon 115 JHP +P (1350 FPS---this stuff is HOT!) that would probably be good in sturdy pistols like my HK USPf or P30.

bernieb90
09-06-2012, 2:50 PM
I have used the 147 gr but I have read that the better expansion was often seen in the lighter faster bullets. The heavier 147 grain did achieve better penetration in some cases but, it was often due to the bullets failure to expand. When shooting the 9mm expansion is very important when trying to create the most damage per round.

American Rifleman has a artical in the last issue with regards to handgun stopping power. The main focus was on a round that travels at least 1000ft per sec and expands to at least 1.5 times the original diameter and penetrates at least 13" in 10% ordnance gelatin.

I have seen no evidence of lighter bullets having better expansion.

Fed HST 124 gr +P JHP (P9HST3) fired from G17 at ave vel of 1208 f/s; 5 shot ave below:
BG: Pen = 12.2", Ave RD = 0.64", Ave RL = 0.38", Ave RW = 123.8gr
4LD: Pen = 14.4", Ave RD = 0.53", Ave RL = 0.39", Ave RW = 124.1 gr
AG: Pen = 14.2", Ave RD = 0.46", Ave RL = 0.50", Ave RW = 123.0 gr

Rem Golden Saber 124 gr +P bonded JHP (GSB9MMD) fired from G17 at ave vel of 1188 f/s; 5 shot ave below::
BG: Pen = 12.6", Ave RD = 0.59", Ave RL = 0.37", Ave RW = 123.0 gr
4LD: Pen = 15.9", Ave RD = 0.55", Ave RL = 0.41", Ave RW = 124.1 gr
AG: Pen = 14.2", Ave RD = 0.46", Ave RL = 0.50", Ave RW = 123.8 gr

Fed HST 147 gr JHP (P9HST2) fired from G17 at ave vel of 1014 f/s; 5 shot ave below:
BG: Pen = 12.2", Ave RD = 0.63", Ave RL = 0.39", Ave RW = 147.5 gr
4LD: Pen = 15.4", Ave RD = 0.53", Ave RL = 0.50", Ave RW = 147.2 gr
AG: Pen = 13.0", Ave RD = 0.50", Ave RL = 0.59", Ave RW = 143.6 gr

The american rifleman article is for lack of a better term incoherent rambling. 1000fps is some arbitrary figure that disregards years of wound ballistics research. Pistol bullets are assesed by expansion, and penetration. If both are adequate the velocity is inconsequential. Almost all 230gr .45 ACP loads are below 1000fps yet have the best track records of any service pistol ammunition.

115gr Critical Defense penetrates a bit shallow, as do most 115 gr loads.

I would definetly say pick something from Dr. Robert's list, and spend the rest of your time worying about placing the bullet where it needs to go.

guitargeak99
09-07-2012, 6:13 AM
I would definetly say pick something from Dr. Robert's list, and spend the rest of your time worying about placing the bullet where it needs to go.

Amen brother

J.D.Allen
09-07-2012, 9:54 AM
I use and sell Federal HST 147gr (for much less than 0.25/round, it's a good value). I ran at least a few hundred rounds through my bedside gun before I was satisfied that it was GTG.

You sell HST for much less than 0.25 per round? Where? I want some.

JeremyS
09-07-2012, 10:55 AM
^^^ seriously.

mygoogoo
09-07-2012, 11:01 AM
Not sure if anyone mentioned this read:

http://www.chuckhawks.com/ammo_by_anonymous.htm

tradecraft
09-07-2012, 11:08 AM
You sell HST for much less than 0.25 per round? Where? I want some.

Sorry, I mixed it up with some other jhp stuff I was blowing out a while ago. It's more like .40/rd.

J.D.Allen
09-07-2012, 1:43 PM
Not sure if anyone mentioned this read:

http://www.chuckhawks.com/ammo_by_anonymous.htm

No, because it's crap. And either way it was written before any of the newest bullet designs came out.

J.D.Allen
09-07-2012, 1:44 PM
Sorry, I mixed it up with some other jhp stuff I was blowing out a while ago. It's more like .40/rd.

That's still cheaper than most. You have a website or something?

den888
09-08-2012, 7:57 AM
I use the Federal 115 gr JHP.

Saym14
09-08-2012, 9:35 PM
Is regular range ammo really that bad? I use jhp too, but I'm guessing bad guys would still fall down if I put two range rounds center mass

depends what vitals you hit. a JHP is much more likely to do more damage that a FMJ. I would not risk my life depending on FMJ when you could choose to load JHP

Chameleon Loco
09-08-2012, 10:21 PM
Because then the doctors wont operate on the person shot with it.

BigDogatPlay
09-08-2012, 11:19 PM
Is regular range ammo really that bad? I use jhp too, but I'm guessing bad guys would still fall down if I put two range rounds center mass

Maybe yes, maybe no. FMJ in pistol bullets generally make neat holes going in and going out and without a lot of wound channel.

I use standard pressure 9mm; either Federal 147 grain HST (when I can find them) or Winchester Ranger T 147 grain. Both run well in my two 9mm guns. There is a pretty good sized body of evidence on how well these loads perform in the real world, particularly the Ranger load, as they are used by some of the largest police agencies in the state.... officers and deputies of which get into shooting scrapes on enough of a frequency to make the sample size meaningful.

willerfortheworld
09-09-2012, 11:04 AM
+1 Critical duty. I like the shiny box it comes in. Everyone knows if your ammo does not come in a nice shiny box then it ain't shat :clap:

Trakker
09-09-2012, 11:18 AM
9mm and defense. Sound like oxymoron. Let the flames begin :-)


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bsg
09-09-2012, 11:21 AM
no federal 9bp love?


my w german 9mm Sigs love the classic Federal 9BP 115 grain JHP.

willerfortheworld
09-09-2012, 11:33 AM
9mm and defense. Sound like oxymoron. Let the flames begin :-)


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The 9mm round is very capable for home defence and in a ccw.
True, a 45 has better odds of dropping a perp quicker, but when you have a 9mm gun with hp expanding rounds in it with a lot less felt recoil, you can quickly place fallow up shots.. also if you live outside of Californian you can use hi-cap mags with 20+ rounds

I know you know all of this already and just want to start a thread war :63: :52:

bernieb90
09-09-2012, 8:30 PM
9mm and defense. Sound like oxymoron. Let the flames begin :-)


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http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq319/DocGKR/Handgun_expanded_JHP.jpg

I would really love to see the guy that can tell if the hole in his Aorta is .62" diameter, or .74".

babe
09-09-2012, 8:45 PM
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq319/DocGKR/Handgun_expanded_JHP.jpg

I would really love to see the guy that can tell if the hole in his Aorta is .62" diameter, or .74".


Are you saying there is little difference between the larger and smaller bullets? (9mm vs 40 vs. 45)

Aren't there a lot of animal shootings that show a difference? Like shooting bear with a 9mm or 45?

locosway
09-10-2012, 2:21 AM
After seeing a .40 caliber round not even make it to the heart of an attacker, I've been rethinking my strategy on what ammo I want to use.

I've been running Federal HST 147gr, however if I buy again it will be +p now. My .45 HST is all +p, and my 10mm is all from Double Tap.

I want the most penetration I can get, which looks like +p all around.

scootle
09-10-2012, 3:50 AM
I load up with Speer Gold Dot 147gr. I don't do +P because I don't practice with +P ammo.

I run Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P as the "HD" rounds in the safe. It's a very common LEO round from what I've heard, which is what some would say is the simplest way to select your HD ammo.

I'm not sure what you mean by the above... do you practice with 147gr rounds (that can get spendy)? My range trips are with 115gr FMJ, like most for economic reasons. I've run it side by side with the 124gr +P when doing function/reliability checks and honestly, the difference is quite subtle at the ranges that you'd ever expect to engage in a defensive shooting, imho.

Are you saying there is little difference between the larger and smaller bullets? (9mm vs 40 vs. 45)
Aren't there a lot of animal shootings that show a difference? Like shooting bear with a 9mm or 45?

While the actual wound diameter might differ little, there is a difference in actual imparted kinetic energy with the different mass bullets. It's just physics. Whether or not this is important for HD/SD applications is, of course, hotly debated...