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Q
06-23-2007, 10:25 PM
I've wanted a saiga 12 for a while but I do not own any saigas as of yet. I'm still hoping someone will have a fixed mag design for one someday. Or a bolt/pump action design.

Saw this the other day and whoa :eek:...People say it might cause the saiga 12 to be banned. I think its cool but don't think its better than the 8-10rd designs out there now. there is a 20rd stick mag that the spetsnaz use in russia.

I could see how it would be an advantage to the plastic feed tubes that they carry on the leg for benelli shotgun competitions. But I think the 10rd ones are still better.

do you think the saiga 12 will be banned or reclassified because of this invention? seems like a shame and a loss for the collecting and sporting community if it did. Since saiga did not invent such a thing. it was of american ingenuity. right now there are two design that I have seen here..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-eGP62sdds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScQT60H8JHc
http://www.wraithmaker.com/

M. Sage
06-23-2007, 10:41 PM
Do you mean in CA? Too late.

AJAX22
06-23-2007, 10:47 PM
A bullet button that works on an AK will work on a SAGIA12

I'll buy one tonite if you can find an FFL that'll sell it to me dissasembled, slap a bullet button on it and call it a night.

slick_711
06-23-2007, 10:49 PM
They're already illegal here, and the rest of the country no longer faces magazine capacity restrictions. So no, I don't see this posing a legal issue.

Furthermore, whats up with the guy that made that first video? :confused: "Yeah cool man, you made a 20rd drum for your shotgun... then you go shoot 20 rounds into the dirt with the shotgun's stock on a tree because your're a girlie man?" :p

Q
06-24-2007, 1:15 AM
A bullet button that works on an AK will work on a SAGIA12

I'll buy one tonite if you can find an FFL that'll sell it to me dissasembled, slap a bullet button on it and call it a night.
they use a different release than a ak. I think the 20g or 410 uses the same..but I guess a similar design could be made.

There might be someone with a s12 in ca?(probably in parts), I felt that a ca ps90 was impossible due to lack of imagination..but there are quite a few now.

Just wondering if the drum mag would make law makers think of banning a sporting arm like the s12 into a DD like they did to the streetsweeper,aa-12,usas-12. But those were not originally designed as sporting shotguns so I think they probably won't be banned in the other states. The s12 was designed primarily for sporting. It comes with a 24inch barrel. Imported with 5rd mags. I've read they're the best 3 gun shotgun..

gunrun45
06-24-2007, 6:04 AM
$320 for a magazine!!!!!
I almost hard a heart attack!
It would actually be cheaper to buy another entire shotgun and shoot 2 at the same time!

PIRATE14
06-24-2007, 9:04 AM
They're already illegal here, and the rest of the country no longer faces magazine capacity restrictions. So no, I don't see this posing a legal issue.

Furthermore, whats up with the guy that made that first video? :confused: "Yeah cool man, you made a 20rd drum for your shotgun... then you go shoot 20 rounds into the dirt with the shotgun's stock on a tree because your're a girlie man?" :p

Well there is a a ongoing federal ban on semi-auto shotguns w/ a magazine so these might not be available anymore.....maybe.......:chris:

M. Sage
06-24-2007, 8:12 PM
Well there is a a ongoing federal ban on semi-auto shotguns w/ a magazine so these might not be available anymore.....maybe.......:chris:

"Ongoing?" No, HR1022 is still just a bad dream waiting to come true. There isn't any Federal ban on semi-auto shotguns with detachable magazines. I know someone who bought a brand new S12K just a couple of months ago.

If you want to go "tacticool" with one, you've gotta play 922r games, though.

PIRATE14
06-24-2007, 8:27 PM
Pretty sure there is something federal......cause they won't allow anymore FN SLPs in the country.........I haven't had time to dig it up though:chris:

1022 is another kooky ban...

Two Shots
06-24-2007, 8:55 PM
Watch this idiot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tGN8_eWTYI and you wonder why they ban guns/mags.

M. Sage
06-24-2007, 9:33 PM
Pretty sure there is something federal......cause they won't allow anymore FN SLPs in the country.........I haven't had time to dig it up though:chris:

SLP? They still show it on the FN site: http://www.fnhusa.com/products/firearms/model.asp?mid=FNM0018&gid=FNG002&cid=FNC01&fid=FNF005

Either way, there really isn't anything new since the Fed AW sunset regarding things like Saigas or mag capacity.