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Gun_Owner_901
08-27-2012, 9:59 PM
So I am sure alot of you guys have seen the show Son's Of Gun's on the Discovery channel, well they just started there line of custom 1911's, there asking price is $1735.00 I want to know what you guys think of it, do any of you own one, is it worth the price or are you just buying the Red Jacket name, here is a link.

http://www.redjacketfirearms.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=45&category_id=7&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=17

jeffrice6
08-27-2012, 10:02 PM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=478557

Cyc Wid It
08-27-2012, 10:03 PM
I wouldn't pay for anything made by that shop.

Gun_Owner_901
08-27-2012, 10:13 PM
oops my bad forgot to do a search, thanks lol.

MA2
08-27-2012, 10:14 PM
LoL

Check out the 1911 forum, there are about 18 manufacturer with a sub-fourm...buy one of those.

tempdrummer
08-27-2012, 10:17 PM
Pass

jdmacl
08-27-2012, 10:43 PM
What intrigues you about their 1911? If their show is indicative of their products, I'd look elsewhere, but then again, I don't know what you're looking for in a gun.

hermosabeach
08-27-2012, 10:55 PM
Buy one and let us know your thoughts

NSR500
08-27-2012, 10:56 PM
Game Changer

Gun_Owner_901
08-27-2012, 10:58 PM
I wasn't even considering buying one of there 1911 way to expensive at the moment, I just bought a RIA 1911 that was pretty much all I was willing to pay for my first 1911, at the moment I have 0% experience with the 1911 model so I went with a cheap one to start off with, later on down the line if I like the way it feels and shoots I may decide to go with a higher end 1911 such as Colt or Kimber, I was just wonder what everyone thought of the Red Jacket 1911's quality, its a somewhat fun show to watch lol.

Exposed
08-27-2012, 11:06 PM
Costs as much as a Nighthawk or TRP Operator but without the "bells and whistles". Looks like a RIA with a magwell. They dont look bad. If they were $1000 less (about $700) I MIGHT consider picking one up.......maybe.

zfields
08-27-2012, 11:07 PM
I'd rather slam my dick in a cardoor then buy anything from them.

far from tactical
08-27-2012, 11:15 PM
I would rather get a Kimbe for that price or even a colt

jeffrice6
08-27-2012, 11:37 PM
I'd rather slam my dick in a cardoor then buy anything from them.

This...... LOL

Chaos47
08-28-2012, 12:16 AM
Slap their name on an STI Lawman and charge a couple hundred bucks more.

1911? Neva Ben Dun Bee For!

m98
08-28-2012, 1:39 AM
Ill triple quad pass on any game changer guns


Dont drink the game changer koolaid.

drunktank
08-28-2012, 4:32 AM
Seeing the name "Red Jacket" is like seeing "Tactical, Rare, Matching Numbers, or FDE" in the Calguns marketplace. You know it's going to be overpriced.

glockwise2000
08-28-2012, 4:43 AM
I'd rather slam my dick in a cardoor then buy anything from them.

Ouch.

zfields
08-28-2012, 5:07 AM
Seeing the name "Red Jacket" is like seeing "Tactical, Rare, Matching Numbers, or FDE" in the Calguns marketplace. You know it's going to be overpriced.

Yea, but at least Matching Numbers usually means its worth part of the price.

guns4life
08-28-2012, 5:16 AM
1800.00 for a no-name brand 1911? Riiiiight

epilepticninja
08-28-2012, 5:26 AM
I'd buy a Nighthawk way before I'd think of dropping that kind of money on their shizz. I wonder if the RJ 1911 comes with a bunch of drama too.

bob7122
08-28-2012, 5:43 AM
I'd rather slam my dick in a cardoor then buy anything from them.

hahaha my new sig

sundayduffer
08-28-2012, 5:59 AM
U kidding right????? Failz!!!

Capybara
08-28-2012, 6:14 AM
Nevahhh been dun befoh....

Red Jacket? Seriously?

R1J1D
08-28-2012, 6:30 AM
LMAO still laughing at dick in cardoor!

LOL too much...

Army
08-28-2012, 7:28 AM
Not even Bomar/Novak sights, just cheap dovetails from Brownells.

But then, no one has ever built a 1911 before Red jacket did.

I'd be more worried that every shot taken, will result in a huge explosion and fireball.............

.............on second thought, that would be COOL!!

skyscraper
08-28-2012, 9:19 AM
Never in a million years.

CK_32
08-28-2012, 9:35 AM
Anything by anything who makes 90% of their income on a tv show will never get my business.. Been to pawn stars been to sons of guns just before the tv show.. It's all scripted **** none of the people on tv are ever there and they are more of museums and merchandise than actual shops they portray on tv..

Especially by sons of guns is the worst display of gun business.. They are like the classifieds. "one of a kind AK" or "first ever grande launcher"

They just reinvent the wheel on everything and call it one of a kind for people with too much money and no knowledge to blow their money on another run of the mill gun for a museum piece price.

Don't know why anyone funds these horrid jokes called a "gun shop"

CK_32
08-28-2012, 9:36 AM
Also if you notice the 10% deposit because they probably get so many idiots who need to have it then find out how screwed they are getting paying top dollar for a basic 1911 or any gun and back out.

Fishslayer
08-28-2012, 9:44 AM
So I am sure alot of you guys have seen the show Son's Of Gun's on the Discovery channel

And lots of us haven't. :puke:

The trailers on tV & internet snippets are enough to convince me that...

I'd rather slam my dick in a cardoor then buy anything from them.

whipkiller
08-28-2012, 9:46 AM
Will they fly it to me in the helicopter and then blow crap up with it?

FYI, I too would rather slam zfields dick in a car door than buy a Red Jacket 1911.

someR1
08-28-2012, 9:47 AM
I'd rather slam my dick in a cardoor then buy anything from them.

LOL! This is sig material ...

johncmng
08-28-2012, 9:48 AM
Game Changer

You beat me to it. Hahahaha
"it neva bin dun befo"

Grumpyoldretiredcop
08-28-2012, 9:55 AM
Give RJF a chance to screw up a 1911 for me? Oh, I think not.

Press Check
08-28-2012, 11:32 AM
I'd be embarrassed to call my dealer and tell him that I had a RJ 1911 coming in for SSE. At the price-point, I'd be looking at a TRP, Baer, Wesson, etc.

1000stars
08-28-2012, 11:58 AM
You would be buying a 1911 from a company whose expertise is in full auto rifles.

Army
08-28-2012, 12:11 PM
You would be buying a 1911 from a company whose expertise is in full auto rifles.
Woah! Easy on the blanket statements!!

If they can't make a simple part for a vastly popular commercial gun without a ton of drama, no way would I entrust them to my $30,000 FA arm.

CK_32
08-28-2012, 12:41 PM
You would be buying a 1911 from a company whose expertise is in full auto rifles.

Hah expertise is a VERY generous word..

Woah! Easy on the blanket statements!!

If they can't make a simple part for a vastly popular commercial gun without a ton of drama, no way would I entrust them to my $30,000 FA arm.

QFT!! No thanks!

trew10
08-28-2012, 12:47 PM
Did you see the episode were they took the Kris arms carbine from the movie total recall and hooked it all up with all the bells and whistles, if you could get your hands on that definitely a good choice.

t0kie
08-28-2012, 12:59 PM
I watched their show sometimes, but I think their prices are too high & speaking of their 1911: too early to tell if it's a good built with that kind of price.

CK_32
08-28-2012, 1:12 PM
I watched their show sometimes, but I think their prices are too high & speaking of their 1911: too early to tell if it's a good built with that kind of price.

2nd.. Watched like 2 one of the Thomson and some other big gun and too much drama and these fools cant act for sh**.

Wasnt worth my time and his trashy cocky daughter made me want to kick my TV. Something about her annoyed the piss out of me..

Tried watching american guns but the dads nerdy as hell although the daughter is a lot better to look at the gunsmiths are idiots and also make me want to kick my TV in especially the fat boy. Sadly even tho the family cant act you can tell most of that drama between the smiths is some what real..

And the dad always saying well I gatta have that gun and ill offer you 900 guns for your 10 priceless ones and the way he talks idk just isn fun to watch.. Rather watch mountain men or survivor man something decent to put my ratings and $$ towards.

NorCalXJ
08-28-2012, 1:14 PM
I wouldn't pay for anything made by that shop.

X2 me too

Prices are outrageous and the owner is a know it all.

Bartin
08-28-2012, 1:23 PM
came here to see if this was a joke thread

Kendoka
08-28-2012, 1:38 PM
I notice that there are no first hand range reports on this pistol. Although there is a fair amount of chatter on the M1911 forum about this pistol, I didn't see any first hand report there either. That is not surprising since there is a 12-16 week delay (18 weeks for the "subdued" version) before you can get one of these in your hands.

Another question I would have is how they would scale up to any significant production. They don't look to have the staff, processes, QA, etc. to put out a semi-custom, but still production, pistol. The scale at which they could be successful and maintain quality would be pretty low I would think. Either that, or they outsource most of the production.

I am also reminded of other notable pistol makers with a great brand trying to get on the 1911 band wagon and running into snags. Sigarms has a great reputation, but when they put out the Granite SeriesRail 1911 their first production was problematic.I do have first hand experience with that. I bought one, and had quite a bit of trouble getting them to rectify feeding problems, etc. In fact I ended up taking it to a custom 1911 gunsmith who got it running reliably....for an extra $200.

As an comparison, look at the level of maturity Ed Brown has in manufacturing a high end production 1911 for a couple of hundred dollars more than the RedJacket piece. Maybe better yet, for the same dough as the RJ 1911, you can buy a Les Baer Custom or Thunder Ranch Special. The TRS was the first high end 1911 I bought, and after 40,000+ rounds it still is malfunction free and still (unfortunately) shoots better than I can.

Having said all this, I would still be interested is seeing one or hearing a first hand range report.

1000stars
08-28-2012, 1:49 PM
Woah! Easy on the blanket statements!!

If they can't make a simple part for a vastly popular commercial gun without a ton of drama, no way would I entrust them to my $30,000 FA arm.

I wouldn't trust them with your RIA GI ! LOL

kouye
08-28-2012, 2:02 PM
I'd buy one if I wanted my target to dun blowed up....

hornswaggled
08-28-2012, 2:07 PM
To me, any business shown on Discovery is automatically relegated to pop culture label whore BS as far as products go. It'd be like getting a tattoo at Vince Neil's shop or buying an OCC chopper. You're overpaying and people will laugh at you.

JTROKS
08-28-2012, 2:16 PM
I think the show is a joke and I watch it for entertainment purposes only. Will's his way or the highway attitude just isn't conducive to bringing out the best of his employees. Then there's Steph that fell in love with the employee with the highest IQ, big daddy Will didn't get his way on that one. I wouldn't buy that RJF 1911 just because of the strange attitude of the employees. What kind of customer service will they provide if the gun ends up becoming problematic. Judging from their attitudes they will blame it on the buyer before even checking it out.

You can tell they are a tight knit group when the Asian gunsmith from Vegas got a welcoming from Flem.

This is interesting in case it's not a dupe.
http://www.tmz.com/2011/12/23/sons-of-guns-atf-william-hayden-firearms/

intensefab
08-28-2012, 2:18 PM
I'd rather slam my dick in a cardoor then buy anything from them.

I'd pay to watch that!!!

P5Ret
08-28-2012, 2:21 PM
Come on now he gave one to Uncle Ted. They made a BAR look like it came from some Bling factory for Jesse James. Those two shows are the top of the mark for the firearms industry, where else but either red jacket or gun smoke could you take an 870 and have them turn it into a home defense gun for $1700, that was the bargain of a life time right there.

That's all I got, I can't do it with a straight face, I'm laughing too hard.

MossbergMan
08-28-2012, 2:31 PM
I'm just surprised there's no AK magazine or sights on the gun.
Wouldn't it be cool if they mounted the 1911 under the barrel of a ..........(fill in the blank, gun of choice) with a can and bayonet?? :13:
NO F'ing way would I spend that kind of money for a no-name 1911 with some aftermarket parts...hand assembled and fitted (arent' they all). There is also a conspicous lack of accuracy claims. Les Baer claims 3" @ 50 yards. My SA PPC 9mm came with a 2.04" group on the test target from 50 yards.....
I will not be slamming any of my anatomy in a cardoor, but I appreciate the dedication of anyone that would...:popcorn:

jessegpresley
08-28-2012, 2:54 PM
I think the show is a joke and I watch it for entertainment purposes only.

As opposed to all the reality tv you watch for educational purposes?

Never seen the show. By the way, Champion sights = made in China Novak knock-offs.

mossy
08-28-2012, 3:14 PM
Come on now he gave one to Uncle Ted. They made a BAR look like it came from some Bling factory for Jesse James. Those two shows are the top of the mark for the firearms industry, where else but either red jacket or gun smoke could you take an 870 and have them turn it into a home defense gun for $1700, that was the bargain of a life time right there.

That's all I got, I can't do it with a straight face, I'm laughing too hard.

or you could have your mounted to a motorcycle for 2000 bucks more.

Sonic_mike
08-28-2012, 3:19 PM
I'd rather slam my dick in a cardoor then buy anything from them.

Hahahahahahahahahaah

But it's Neva been dun befo!

Lead Waster
08-28-2012, 3:21 PM
I'd rather slam my dick in a cardoor then buy anything from them.

Uh, I, on the other hand will gladly buy their products to avoid the same car door! :p

Kendoka
08-28-2012, 6:59 PM
Like so much on TV, Red Jacket is a formula. Pawn Stars, American Pickers, American Restoration, Storage Wars are built on a formula. Red Jacket is the firearms version of Orange County Choppers. They all track back to "I Love Lucy"of the 1950's with the archetypical roles of Father, Mother, Child-craftsman, and Child-clown. Nothing new.

It would cool to have a "reality" program related to armory and gunsmithing challenges that were actually enlightening and informative.

2nd Shot
08-28-2012, 7:58 PM
Hahahah... Somebody sat me down once to show me "this cool gun show on tv" once. Sons of Guns, it turned out, and it was awful. Like painful to watch. All the "building" consisted of grinding on things with air grinders, a couple of instances where they were going to "take over the market" with some mail order parts they did some beginners level hack and slash work to on a Bridgeport, and a whole lot of attitude from an owner that doesn't seem to demonstrate any skill doing anything else. You also gotta love the corny plot lines and all the cheesy "competitions" the new owner is having the such and such machine gun built for, and how they all consist of shooting at containers filled with bright yellow green colored dye with a few unlikely looking friends.

My favorite part is the episode where they were going to hire a new guy. They go through a bunch of "applicants", and finally find a guy who brought a build with him, so they immediately go and test fire it on the range. It's a full auto MG34 machine gun. Sure... A a private individual manufactures a post 86 machine gun from a parts kit...

From the couple of episodes I've watched, you couldn't pay me the amount they're asking to be seen in public at the range with one in my hands...

KWB977
08-28-2012, 8:27 PM
Whatever you shoot will explode like on their lame show.

Speedpower
08-28-2012, 8:33 PM
Just as bad as the American Guns! Gunsmoke is a JOKE!

ChaneRZ
08-28-2012, 9:12 PM
Yeah they were shooting a paintball gun and they target exploded. I was like WTF?!

straykiller
08-28-2012, 9:37 PM
Id rather custom design a 1911 out of my poop that shoots corn. Probably be just as accurate as anything they produce and only cost $5 curtsy of the nearest fast food joint.

tempdrummer
08-28-2012, 9:55 PM
I'd buy one if I wanted my target to dun blowed up....

haha


http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/7729/1313128351682.jpg

m98
08-29-2012, 2:37 PM
I think the show is a joke and I watch it for entertainment purposes only. Will's his way or the highway attitude just isn't conducive to bringing out the best of his employees. Then there's Steph that fell in love with the employee with the highest IQ, big daddy Will didn't get his way on that one. I wouldn't buy that RJF 1911 just because of the strange attitude of the employees. What kind of customer service will they provide if the gun ends up becoming problematic. Judging from their attitudes they will blame it on the buyer before even checking it out.

You can tell they are a tight knit group when the Asian gunsmith from Vegas got a welcoming from Flem.

This is interesting in case it's not a dupe.
http://www.tmz.com/2011/12/23/sons-of-guns-atf-william-hayden-firearms/


Link no longer works. Care to elaborate on the gunsmith from vegas?

peacedivision
08-29-2012, 3:29 PM
Link works fine. Basically says FEDs busted them for not being able to account for 10 weapons. Will/Steph lost their licenses and had to sell the business to Vince, and now they are actually his employees.

The whole show, just like everything else on TV, is make believe.

dc2integra
08-29-2012, 4:15 PM
I wouldn't get caught dead with one of there products.

MaxMoto
08-29-2012, 4:31 PM
....

Flyin Brian
08-29-2012, 5:37 PM
Just wait till they hook 3 1911s to a rotating gun mount and turn it into a .45ACP gattling gun!! Wooo Hoooo... what a bunch of BS.

gregshin
08-29-2012, 6:10 PM
For that same price I'd go les baer

Carsgunsandchics
08-29-2012, 6:53 PM
For reliability your best chances would be to purchase 8 hi-point pistols, percentages would be in your favor by far.

BigDogatPlay
08-29-2012, 7:14 PM
I would buy a Gunsmoke custom 1911 long before I would buy an RJF 1911.... and I wouldn't buy a Gunsmoke either.

If I am going to dump big dough on a 1911 it's going to say Les Baer on it.... unless Stephanie Hayden slams my dick in a car door, and somehow I think that's not going to happen.

I'm also going to guess also that the RJF model is not on roster, so you'd have to ask them to single shot it anyway to bring it in. For all that fuss it's hard to see the value add of the big price tag other than the name..... which isn't worth much as it is.

o0RedEyE0o
08-29-2012, 7:22 PM
If I'm spending that much on a 1911 I'll get a Wilson Combat.

sirgiles
08-29-2012, 7:23 PM
Did you see the episode were they took the Kris arms carbine from the movie total recall and hooked it all up with all the bells and whistles, if you could get your hands on that definitely a good choice.

people actually watch this show?

kurac
08-30-2012, 7:23 AM
is it fit with a grinder and finished with spray paint?

m98
08-30-2012, 3:17 PM
Just wait till they hook 3 1911s to a rotating gun mount and turn it into a .45ACP gattling gun!! Wooo Hoooo... what a bunch of BS.

But its a Game Changer!

skosh69
08-30-2012, 5:27 PM
I would buy a Gunsmoke custom 1911 long before I would buy an RJF 1911.... and I wouldn't buy a Gunsmoke either.


My thoughts exactly....

jvpark
08-30-2012, 11:04 PM
I'd rather slam my dick in a cardoor then buy anything from them.

this is what happens when you post in forums past midnight.

I would not buy that 1911... I stopped watching the show because it became lame with that contrived love story of the two barn animals.

I changed to American Gun but they are getting stupid with their fake ego fights and overpriced custom work.

myusername
08-31-2012, 12:53 AM
No offense to the Red Jacket guys - but their gun looks pretty much like my Colt Gold Cup but with a funky hammer. Since I've already got the best why would I pay twice as much for theirs?

Carry on. :)