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JackRydden224
08-27-2012, 1:26 PM
After thinking long and hard about my first center fire 1911s I decided that I should look at Les Baer as well. If I'm going to have one then might as well be a good one. It's going to be my 27th birthday present to myself. My budget is $2000OTD + 5%

I'm looking for info on the different models in my price range. I believe the Concept III and Premier II Tactical would be with in my range (according to bud's).

skyscraper
08-27-2012, 1:30 PM
You cant go wrong with a baer. If you could find a local store that had some in stock(not easy) it would be best to hold a few. My friend just got a Custom Carry and its really nice. Probably the tightest lockup of any 1911 out there

JackRydden224
08-27-2012, 1:32 PM
You cant go wrong with a baer. If you could find a local store that had some in stock(not easy) it would be best to hold a few. My friend just got a Custom Carry and its really nice. Probably the tightest lockup of any 1911 out there

I'm in SoCal and I have never seen a Les Baer in a local store. I'm gonna have to make some calls. Can you tell me about the different models and different features on them?

My other choices are the STI Lawman and Dan Wesson Specialist.

Cyc Wid It
08-27-2012, 1:58 PM
The website clearly lists all the different features...

Skip the Lawman.

CrazyJohn has the best Baer prices period.

Black Majik
08-27-2012, 2:00 PM
For the most part all LBs are the same, the features differentiate one model from the other.

What types of features do you want on your gun? We can probably find you one that'll best suit your needs.

t0kie
08-27-2012, 2:01 PM
I shot a friend of mine (he's also a member here) & that thing has one of the nicest trigger that I ever shot. But I also heard from another member that the blue finish is kinda pain to keep it clean, because your finger prints will stick/show.
CJ is the guy to go.

al8550
08-27-2012, 2:02 PM
Love my Baer....a lil more than 2000 OTD but so worth it....don't limit yourself to the Concept III and Premier II Tactical, you can always go through SSE if you have your eye on other models.

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g480/al8550/photo-15.jpg

JackRydden224
08-27-2012, 2:16 PM
For the most part all LBs are the same, the features differentiate one model from the other.

What types of features do you want on your gun? We can probably find you one that'll best suit your needs.

That's what I'm feeling. They look the same for the most part and I don't think the finer parts will make a difference to me since I am no more accurate than a RIA LOL. I will be doing indoor shooting 95% of the time. For that other 5% I plan on buying a beater 1911 from RIA. I also want to hold it when I'm watching TV and say "damn baby I love you " LOL

I think it's more like what features can I get with my price range? Or should I say what's the best bang for the buck? I think even the entry level Baer is much better than the Springfield and Kimber.

I shot a friend of mine (he's also a member here) & that thing has one of the nicest trigger that I ever shot. But I also heard from another member that the blue finish is kinda pain to keep it clean, because your finger prints will stick/show.
CJ is the guy to go.

I've never shot a Baer before but I think I know somebody who has one.

Javi
08-27-2012, 2:34 PM
I'm in SoCal and I have never seen a Les Baer in a local store. I'm gonna have to make some calls. Can you tell me about the different models and different features on them?

My other choices are the STI Lawman and Dan Wesson Specialist.

I haven't gone there in a few weeks but Ammo Bros in Ontario had two Les 1911's.

Black Majik
08-27-2012, 2:35 PM
That's what I'm feeling. They look the same for the most part and I don't think the finer parts will make a difference to me since I am no more accurate than a RIA LOL. I will be doing indoor shooting 95% of the time. For that other 5% I plan on buying a beater 1911 from RIA. I also want to hold it when I'm watching TV and say "damn baby I love you " LOL

I think it's more like what features can I get with my price range? Or should I say what's the best bang for the buck? I think even the entry level Baer is much better than the Springfield and Kimber.




There isn't really an entry level Les Baer, it'll have the least features but still hang with the other guns. The base gun will still have a 3" @ 50 yards accuracy guarantee, Kart barrel and be fit the same as other 3" @ 50 shooters.

The most popular models would be the Premier II (for adjustable sights), Custom Carry (for fixed night sights) or the TRS (what to they call these now?). If you prefer your gun without frontstrap checkering then the Concept II would do well with fixed sights.

Oh yeah, regarding getting a beater RIA. There's no need. The Les Baer can handle the abuse. Use the money you would have on the RIA on either the Baer or more ammo.

jeffrice6
08-27-2012, 2:54 PM
For the most part all LBs are the same, the features differentiate one model from the other.

This

Baer's "traditional" 1911's all use the same: frame, slide, barrel, guts & attention to detail. The 1.5" pistols receive extra fitting......

At its base, there is no difference between a PII, Thunder Ranch, SRP ect. What separates them is their features. Single vs ambi safety, finish, sights, breaking of edges, standard vs thin grips & so on. Can't go wrong with any Baer, you just need to pick the flavor that suits your needs.

Baers can also be customized..... When I purchased my PII through Crazy John I ordered it with fixed sights, single sided safety and no FCS.

Crappy pic

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m302/jeffrice6/IMG_2660.jpg

Since this pic I replaced the rear sight with a Heinie Ledge (huge improvement) & installed a solid 10-8 trigger.

dholla
08-27-2012, 2:59 PM
There is a concept ii on arf right now for 1500. The guy is in Sac.

1000stars
08-27-2012, 3:01 PM
Very tight and well made pistols. A bargain even at MSRP. Accuracy better than capability of most shooters!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dpdy8QQ-Y-Q

kouye
08-27-2012, 3:03 PM
There's an LB SRP in the private sale section for $1875...that's a great deal. If I didn't already have my TRS, I'd try to buy it.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=604448&highlight=SRP

Buddhabelly
08-27-2012, 4:20 PM
The fit is, to me, unnecessarily too tight. The blueing is very pretty, but leave finger pints all over the place (I was me who told t0kie). Good value for the money. The tightness when racking/working with it kinda bugs me though...

patrickstarfish
08-27-2012, 4:52 PM
I have the P2 with 1.5" guarantee...

I should have gotten the TRS basic. My shooting changed from shooting indoor bullseye targets to IDPA targets. My P2, once broken it, does not blink with any ammo, eats them all.

Les Baer pretty much has all 1911 purpose guns.

NiteQwill
08-27-2012, 4:57 PM
You really can't go wrong with a LB. Best 1911 in the price range.

Talk to CJ if you plan on buying one.

I picked up a Custom Carry with 1.5", checkered MSH, single-sided safety, no FCS, long match trigger, and naked slide.

jessegpresley
08-27-2012, 5:09 PM
Very tight and well made pistols. A bargain even at MSRP. Accuracy better than capability of most shooters!

To be fair, the standard out of the box polymer has "accuracy better than capability of most shooters".

Two things I don't like about Baers. The Dupont finish they use (kinda cheesy) and the unnecessarily tight slide to frame fit.

In general they do represent the best overall value in the semi custom world, along with the Ed Brown Special Forces.

JackRydden224
08-27-2012, 7:27 PM
There isn't really an entry level Les Baer, it'll have the least features but still hang with the other guns. The base gun will still have a 3" @ 50 yards accuracy guarantee, Kart barrel and be fit the same as other 3" @ 50 shooters.

The most popular models would be the Premier II (for adjustable sights), Custom Carry (for fixed night sights) or the TRS (what to they call these now?). If you prefer your gun without frontstrap checkering then the Concept II would do well with fixed sights.

Oh yeah, regarding getting a beater RIA. There's no need. The Les Baer can handle the abuse. Use the money you would have on the RIA on either the Baer or more ammo.

Is it possible to send it back to Les Baer to get the 1.5" package after the purchase? My skills are no where near 3" group at 50 yards. I might get 3" group at 10 yards on a good day right now.

You are right. I will pass on the RIA, but do you guys let new shooters shoot your Les Baer? I figured having a $400 gun might be good for some other purposes.

I'm looking at the ultimate recon right now. Does anybody know what a good street price is or should I call this Crazy John guy? I

Press Check
08-27-2012, 7:36 PM
What's the deal with the Monolith pistols?

jeffrice6
08-27-2012, 7:42 PM
Is it possible to send it back to Les Baer to get the 1.5"

I don't believe so

enzo357
08-27-2012, 7:54 PM
Love my Les Baer. Accurate as heck. P11 with the 1.5.

dls
08-27-2012, 8:05 PM
I have the PII super tac w/1.5" guarantee.
I hated the DuPont finish,it looked like it had thousands of rounds after a few mags,it wore on the barrel hood and the front of the barrel. They should have just left those parts un-coated. other than that, the DuPont looked good.
It's completely iobonded now:D

The lock up was real tight at first,around 6-700rnds through it now,and it's just right. I seriously have not had one failure, that's using the OEM Les Bear,chip McCormick power,and Wilson combat ETM mags, mostly using PMC bronze & Winchester WB ammo.

Wish I would have ordered through Crazy John and did the SSE with no FCS and naked slide.

The only thing that really sucked,16 week wait.:(

RickD427
08-27-2012, 8:09 PM
After thinking long and hard about my first center fire 1911s I decided that I should look at Les Baer as well. If I'm going to have one then might as well be a good one. It's going to be my 27th birthday present to myself. My budget is $2000OTD + 5%

I'm looking for info on the different models in my price range. I believe the Concept III and Premier II Tactical would be with in my range (according to bud's).

I think that you would be very happy with a Baer. Les has pretty much defined his weapons as being that standard for a very high quality, no useless frills, type weapon.

As other posters have pointed out, the differences between models are minor. You can refer to Les' website to identify the model most to your liking.

You should expect that the fit and finish (more on the blueing later) will be top notch. The weapon will be exceptionally tight until you get a number of rounds through it. It never will loosen up to the extent of other 1911s.

Les' frames differ slightly from the traditional 1911 design. Make sure that you're comfortable with his changes (most notably in the area where the trigger guard meets the front strap).

The weapons are supplied with conventional blueing. It will quickly show wear. Keep your weapon well oiled to guard against rust.

With a Baer, you're not going to get fancy "chain link', "snakeskin" or "fishscale" finishes in places where JMB originally had serrations. You're not going to get any "eye candy", but you will get a weapon that is more capable than nearly all others of putting a small hole in a target with as many rounds as possible.

jeffrice6
08-27-2012, 8:13 PM
Wish I would have ordered through Crazy John and did the SSE with no FCS and naked slide.

For the PII there is no need to SSE

dls
08-27-2012, 8:23 PM
For the PII there is no need to SSE

If you custom order there is.

jeffrice6
08-27-2012, 8:40 PM
If you custom order there is.

I didn't SSE my custom PII

hornswaggled
08-27-2012, 9:00 PM
Turner's in Kearny Mesa had 2 a few weeks ago. I handled one, the fitment is the tightest gun I've ever felt. It was almost impossible for a weakling like me to rack the slide with the hammer down. Looks-wise, I was expecting more to be honest.

gunprofit
08-27-2012, 9:02 PM
Barnwood Arms has Les Baers in stock and they also have one you can rent and shoot on their indoor shooting range.

Buddhabelly
08-27-2012, 9:02 PM
Les' frames differ slightly from the traditional 1911 design. Make sure that you're comfortable with his changes (most notably in the area where the trigger guard meets the front strap).


Exactly. I wish he'd put an undercut in there. All the more reason to test it before spending $2000. It CAN be very different feeling if ALL your other 1911's are the same other way.

gunprofit
08-27-2012, 9:04 PM
And Kimbers, and Knighthawks, and Ed Browns, and every other 1911 you can think of

gunprofit
08-27-2012, 9:09 PM
I would have to say Barnwood Arms is the big boy on the block when it comes to owning the 1911 market

Ducman
08-27-2012, 9:09 PM
Is it possible to send it back to Les Baer to get the 1.5" package after the purchase? My skills are no where near 3" group at 50 yards. I might get 3" group at 10 yards on a good day right now.

You are right. I will pass on the RIA, but do you guys let new shooters shoot your Les Baer? I figured having a $400 gun might be good for some other purposes.

I'm looking at the ultimate recon right now. Does anybody know what a good street price is or should I call this Crazy John guy? I


Just call CrazyJohn already, you won't regret it. If you're near Riverside, I can let you try my TRS. just let me know.

JackRydden224
08-27-2012, 9:13 PM
I'm calling CrazyJohn tomorrow.

Does anybody know the average delivery time on a Les Baer or does Crazy John have some in stock?

Ducman I'm in Irvine so I'm in reasonable distance to Riverside :D

jeffrice6
08-27-2012, 9:17 PM
I'm calling CrazyJohn tomorrow.

Does anybody know the average delivery time on a Les Baer or does Crazy John have some in stock?

He has MANY in stock & delivery was just a few days as I recall

Ducman
08-27-2012, 9:21 PM
I'm calling CrazyJohn tomorrow.

Does anybody know the average delivery time on a Les Baer or does Crazy John have some in stock?

Ducman I'm in Irvine so I'm in reasonable distance to Riverside :D


If he has what you're looking for, he ships it overnight to your FFL.

dls
08-27-2012, 9:29 PM
I didn't SSE my custom PII

Hmm, I talked to Les himself, He said he couldn't ship anything not specifically listed on the CA roster,no finish changes no sights not even strong side safety.:confused:

Black Majik
08-27-2012, 9:35 PM
Is it possible to send it back to Les Baer to get the 1.5" package after the purchase? My skills are no where near 3" group at 50 yards. I might get 3" group at 10 yards on a good day right now.

You are right. I will pass on the RIA, but do you guys let new shooters shoot your Les Baer? I figured having a $400 gun might be good for some other purposes.

Unfortunately it isn't possible to convert a 3" to a 1.5" gun later on down the road. The gun is built from the ground up into a 1.5" gun, all the fitting is done at the beginning to provide the most accurate gun as possible. Something to note (and I've never benched or ranson rested my guns) but from what I understand the 3" guns provide a maximum group of 3", but most should shoot well under the 3" @ 50 yard guarantee. How true I don't know since I've never tried.

You're welcome to try my Baers out anytime, I'm usually at Angeles on Sundays. Mine won't be all that tight so it'll be easy to rack, and my PII actually has a little bit of rattle in it now. But it still drives tacks. Whether you prefer fixed sights or adjustable I can bring out either one you prefer.

jeffrice6
08-27-2012, 9:42 PM
Hmm, I talked to Les himself, He said he couldn't ship anything not specifically listed on the CA roster,no finish changes no sights not even strong side safety.:confused:

Les is by the book & covering his backside... CJ didn't have a problem with it. The PII (or whatever is on our roster) is the pistol he selling, even with slight cosmetic differences. I also believe he will ship pistols to be SSE'd

Its been awhile since I purchased from CJ, so by all means give the man a call and get it from the horse's mouth.... Just get ready for a lengthy conversation :D

Ducman
08-27-2012, 9:50 PM
Unfortunately it isn't possible to convert a 3" to a 1.5" gun later on down the road. The gun is built from the ground up into a 1.5" gun, all the fitting is done at the beginning to provide the most accurate gun as possible. Something to note (and I've never benched or ranson rested my guns) but from what I understand the 3" guns provide a maximum group of 3", but most should shoot well under the 3" @ 50 yard guarantee. How true I don't know since I've never tried.

You're welcome to try my Baers out anytime, I'm usually at Angeles on Sundays. Mine won't be all that tight so it'll be easy to rack, and my PII actually has a little bit of rattle in it now. But it still drives tacks. Whether you prefer fixed sights or adjustable I can bring out either one you prefer.


Richard, post those pics already, I wanna see and drool on those safe queens you have :D

1000stars
08-27-2012, 9:57 PM
The fit is, to me, unnecessarily too tight. The tightness when racking/working with it kinda bugs me though...

That is why they can guarantee 3" groups @50yds.

Cyc Wid It
08-27-2012, 10:01 PM
He has the largest inventory and the best prices - he's their leading dealer. The lead time depends, he'll run special order sales periodically and the lead time on those can be slightly higher. Be prepared to chat on the phone - he can be a bit of a talker.

He probably sells more Baers than Baer directly.

Beetle Bailey
08-27-2012, 10:06 PM
Unfortunately it isn't possible to convert a 3" to a 1.5" gun later on down the road. The gun is built from the ground up into a 1.5" gun, all the fitting is done at the beginning to provide the most accurate gun as possible. Something to note (and I've never benched or ranson rested my guns) but from what I understand the 3" guns provide a maximum group of 3", but most should shoot well under the 3" @ 50 yard guarantee. How true I don't know since I've never tried.

You're welcome to try my Baers out anytime, I'm usually at Angeles on Sundays. Mine won't be all that tight so it'll be easy to rack, and my PII actually has a little bit of rattle in it now. But it still drives tacks. Whether you prefer fixed sights or adjustable I can bring out either one you prefer.

Black Majik is the reason I sold my Colt and bought a Les Baer Custom Carry. PM me if you want to meet up at Angeles this sunday.

Damiiaaannn
08-27-2012, 10:08 PM
How do you get ahold of CrazyJohn?

Ducman
08-27-2012, 10:17 PM
208-772-2339

17+1
08-27-2012, 10:19 PM
That's what I'm feeling. They look the same for the most part and I don't think the finer parts will make a difference to me since I am no more accurate than a RIA LOL. I will be doing indoor shooting 95% of the time. For that other 5% I plan on buying a beater 1911 from RIA. I also want to hold it when I'm watching TV and say "damn baby I love you " LOL

I think it's more like what features can I get with my price range? Or should I say what's the best bang for the buck? I think even the entry level Baer is much better than the Springfield and Kimber.

I've starting to look at 1911's lately. Been talking to people and reading online quite a bit lately. I have been practicing with a 22/45 target pistol which has been awesome and is cheap to shoot. I am leaning towards the Springfield (Range Officer) model as they have a reputation of being a decent pistol and are a bit cheaper than Les Baer or Kimber pistols.

I plan on using the difference in price on reloading dies, powder, possibly a bullet casting setup etc. I only load bottle neck rifle calibers at the moment, so I am allocating some cost to get my reloading station geared up for 45 ACP.

I bet even a Springfield pistol will outshoot most people. Your other posts make it sound like you're not a great pistol shot. It may make more sense to buy a little cheaper and spend the difference on ammo/reloading components so you can practice. Even starting with a 22/45 will make a huge difference as I've found. My pistol shooting improved FAST when I was able to afford to shoot the 22/45 regularly.

JackRydden224
08-27-2012, 10:25 PM
Alright I'm definitely calling Crazy John tomorrow but the purchase will have to wait until January when I have money set aside. I promise to update you guys once I have it in hand. I got a good FFL near me who'll do SSE for cheap.

I can't wait. A Les Baer will be the crown jewel in my collection.

glockwise2000
08-27-2012, 10:49 PM
Love my Baer....a lil more than 2000 OTD but so worth it....don't limit yourself to the Concept III and Premier II Tactical, you can always go through SSE if you have your eye on other models.

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g480/al8550/photo-15.jpg

Which model is this?

I am too lazy to browse the LB site. I keep on drooling.

joemoia
08-27-2012, 11:20 PM
I ordered a LB Custom Carry thru my LGS last year. I paid fulll MSRP ($2000 OTD). My LGS called LB and was told delivery would be 16wks ARO. Exactly 16 wks later the gun arrived.

It far exceeds my capabilty to shoot. The only issue I had was brass marks behind the ejection port during the first several hundred rounds during break in, which I removed using Hoppes 9. The gun has function flawlessly since then with no FTF/FTE using several brands of FMJ and JHP.

tm_jones123
08-27-2012, 11:31 PM
The only issue I had was brass marks behind the ejection port during the first several hundred rounds during break in, which I removed using Hoppes 9. The gun has function flawlessly since then with no FTF/FTE using several brands of FMJ and JHP.

Thats not an issue

jessegpresley
08-28-2012, 12:06 AM
That is why they can guarantee 3" groups @50yds.

Hilton Yam says slide to frame fit contributes just 5% to accuracy.

http://www.10-8performance.com/pages/1911-Parts-%26-Modifications.html

al8550
08-28-2012, 4:31 AM
Which model is this?

I am too lazy to browse the LB site. I keep on drooling.

It's the Heavyweight Monolith (Hard chrome finish, no FCS, 1.5 in guarantee, w/ 2-piece magwell)

patrickstarfish
08-28-2012, 6:55 AM
Alright I'm definitely calling Crazy John tomorrow but the purchase will have to wait until January when I have money set aside. I promise to update you guys once I have it in hand. I got a good FFL near me who'll do SSE for cheap.

I can't wait. A Les Baer will be the crown jewel in my collection.

LBs are more like beater guns, with blued finish. They wear easily, and get brass marks from ejected brass, and meant to be abused (the more use the smoother she gets). I think wear marks on LBs are what Les intended for his guns.

If you want a crown jewel, get a SS finished LB, or other comparable 1911 with tougher finish.

Simply put, don't baby a 1911, especially an LB.

JackRydden224
08-28-2012, 7:29 AM
LBs are more like beater guns, with blued finish. They wear easily, and get brass marks from ejected brass, and meant to be abused (the more use the smoother she gets). I think wear marks on LBs are what Les intended for his guns.

If you want a crown jewel, get a SS finished LB, or other comparable 1911 with tougher finish.

Simply put, don't baby a 1911, especially an LB.

That sounds good actually. I don't need a 1911 that can't take the abuse. No matter how much a gun cost, it is after all, a gun and a gun is meant to be shot. Well...at least in my opinion.

I already know my next gun after the les baer will probably be a SS Springfield 1911 in 9mm :D

teflondog
08-28-2012, 10:00 AM
I got my TRS through Crazy John in 2009. During that time he was selling them for $300 less than msrp because of his birthday deals. Combined with no sales tax, I saved a ton of money. Make sure to always have a bushing wrench because there's no way you'll be able to turn that bushing by hand during the first dozen field strips.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/s720x720/561168_3426645349241_1783652587_n.jpg

JackRydden224
08-28-2012, 10:17 AM
I think FFLs are required to collect sales tax.

If my gun is $2000 then the tax will be another $175. Ugh.

I'm welling to pay the top dollars to get a top quality gun though. I mean it's probably the best gun that I will own in the next 10 years. I cannot justify spending $2000 on a gun once I buy a house next year.

chickenfried
08-28-2012, 10:29 AM
Baer trigger guards are undercut.

Exactly. I wish he'd put an undercut in there. All the more reason to test it before spending $2000. It CAN be very different feeling if ALL your other 1911's are the same other way.

Ducman
08-28-2012, 10:47 AM
I got my TRS through Crazy John in 2009. During that time he was selling them for $300 less than msrp because of his birthday deals. Combined with no sales tax, I saved a ton of money. Make sure to always have a bushing wrench because there's no way you'll be able to turn that bushing by hand during the first dozen field strips.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/s720x720/561168_3426645349241_1783652587_n.jpg

No need to use a bushing wrench to dis assemble your Baer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJhPari7dpc

JackRydden224
08-28-2012, 1:20 PM
I got a hold of John. He is a great guy and a real pleasure to talk to. I'm gonna have to order from him by the time I get my money together. Boy it's going to be a long wait :D

teflondog
08-28-2012, 2:29 PM
No need to use a bushing wrench to dis assemble your Baer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJhPari7dpc

I don't need it for disassembly but I definitely need it for reassembly. I give credit to that guy for making it look so easy. Trying to line up the slide lock notch while the slide is under tension from the recoil spring is a real PITA to do. Whenever I try to do it, the spring never wants to stay aligned.

ConeKiller
08-28-2012, 3:39 PM
Great 1911's - For those who don't like the blueing look, don't hesitate to do the hard chrome process too. I bought an used Baer a few months ago and sent it to Les Baer for their hard chrome process. Although it took a while, I'm very happy with how the pistol came out.

http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/uploads/gallery/album_1257/gallery_7068_1257_172903.jpg

http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/uploads/gallery/album_1257/gallery_7068_1257_46867.jpg

JackRydden224
08-28-2012, 3:41 PM
Oh wow.

I thought the hard chrome process is like a bad bling bling chrome on cars.

Dang that's sexy.

Black Majik
08-28-2012, 3:46 PM
Richard, post those pics already, I wanna see and drool on those safe queens you have :D

LOL mine are uuuuugly now. I need to keep my PII drenched in oil to avoid it from rusting, I have little rust speckles if I don't oil it immediately after shooting it. Damn I shouldn't have said that in this thread... :kest:

Lead Waster
08-28-2012, 3:57 PM
That's what I'm feeling. They look the same for the most part and I don't think the finer parts will make a difference to me since I am no more accurate than a RIA LOL. I will be doing indoor shooting 95% of the time. For that other 5% I plan on buying a beater 1911 from RIA. I also want to hold it when I'm watching TV and say "damn baby I love you " LOL

I think it's more like what features can I get with my price range? Or should I say what's the best bang for the buck? I think even the entry level Baer is much better than the Springfield and Kimber.



I've never shot a Baer before but I think I know somebody who has one.



You are doing this in reverse. Since you will buy a beater RIA Tactical. Go buy that one first. It has a beavertail safety, flat MSH, basic sights, crappy grips. It shoots and shoots though.

So get the beater RIA and shoot the living poo out of it. As you shoot it you'll figure out the stuff you like and dislike about it. Maybe you hate beavertail safeties. Maybe you want a flat MSH. You've changed the grips so you know what you like there. Maybe a FO front sight? Oh you hate the finisha nd prefer SS or blued. Oh maybe an extended mag release would help. etc, etc, etc. You've still got $1500 saved for next birthday, and ammo.


OK, so now you've sent 5000 rounds down range on that RIA Tactical "beater". You know know exactly what you want in a custom 1911. NOW go to Crazy John and buy the EXACT Les Baer model that you want for your 28th birthday. You will love it because after 5000 rounds with a beater 1911 that has things you like and hate, you are holding a custom made 1911 with everything that you love AND it'll shoot the pee around the RIA.

Now you are happy. So happy 28th. Enjoy your 27th.

You should listen to me, I've very smart. SMRT smart. :p

Buddhabelly
08-28-2012, 4:12 PM
That is why they can guarantee 3" groups @50yds.

Ah hum... I 've the 1.5 warranty. And I have other 1911's with as good if not better capability and they are not near as tight.

Buddhabelly
08-28-2012, 4:14 PM
Baer trigger guards are undercut.

Bring your Chevelle here, let's compare Chevelles and compare our 1911's. :D

May be yours is but mine is definitely not.

Excelsior
08-28-2012, 5:17 PM
How does a Ruger SR1911 actually differ from a stainless Les Baer at triple the price (which is considered a bargain by many compared to Brown, Wilson, et. al.)

Is it actually a matter of accuracy? How good of a shot does one have to be to take advantage of any greater accuracy of an LB?

Is it actually a matter of reliability?

Is it a actually a matter of aesthetics?

Is it a actually a matter of panache at the range? "Whoa, how do you like your LES BAER?"

Just curious...

Ducman
08-28-2012, 5:18 PM
LOL mine are uuuuugly now. I need to keep my PII drenched in oil to avoid it from rusting, I have little rust speckles if I don't oil it immediately after shooting it. Damn I shouldn't have said that in this thread... :kest:

Dont worry mine is getting there.....;) i think...

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q42/myusi/1911/DSC_0014-1.jpg

Black Majik
08-28-2012, 5:30 PM
Dont worry mine is getting there.....;) i think...

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q42/myusi/1911/DSC_0014-1.jpg


That is still purty :thumbsup:

Here's a quick picture of my PII as of today. I need to get my slide reblued as there's not much protecting it anymore. You can tell the different shade in bluing between the slide and frame. There are small rust speckles at the rear of the slide, and at the middle bottom of the slide. Normally in picture threads I do a little bit of post processing to hide it. :(

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d194/RChang824/DSC_0003-19.jpg

Buddhabelly
08-28-2012, 5:35 PM
That is still purty :thumbsup:

Here's a quick picture of my PII as of today. I need to get my slide reblued as there's not much protecting it anymore. You can tell the different shade in bluing between the slide and frame. There are small rust speckles at the rear of the slide, and at the middle bottom of the slide. Normally in picture threads I do a little bit of post processing to hide it. :(

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d194/RChang824/DSC_0003-19.jpg

I love the way your gun looks. Wear, character, well-taken care of regular usage. Bravo !:hurray::thumbsup:

patrickstarfish
08-28-2012, 5:40 PM
How does a Ruger SR1911 actually differ from a stainless Les Baer at triple the price (which is considered a bargain by many compared to Brown, Wilson, et. al.)

Is it actually a matter of accuracy? How good of a shot does one have to be to take advantage of any greater accuracy of an LB?

Is it actually a matter of reliability?

Is it a actually a matter of aesthetics?

Is it a actually a matter of panache at the range? "Whoa, how do you like your LES BAER?"

Just curious...

I feel that a Les Baer's fit, reliability, and durability is second to none vs. other production 1911s. Also, a Les Baer will hang with the semi-customs of Wilson, Nighthawk, etc.

Les has done a great job filling the production and semi-custom gap of 1911's.

So, one can feel very confident shooting a Les Baer, great gun, great buy...

jeffrice6
08-28-2012, 5:51 PM
Great 1911's - For those who don't like the blueing look, don't hesitate to do the hard chrome process too. I bought an used Baer a few months ago and sent it to Les Baer for their hard chrome process. Although it took a while, I'm very happy with how the pistol came out.

http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/uploads/gallery/album_1257/gallery_7068_1257_172903.jpg

http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/uploads/gallery/album_1257/gallery_7068_1257_46867.jpg

Did you add FCS or is that a different pistol?

Buddhabelly
08-28-2012, 6:42 PM
Also, a Les Baer will hang with the semi-customs of Wilson, Nighthawk, etc.


What do you mean?

InGrAM
08-28-2012, 6:45 PM
How does a Ruger SR1911 actually differ from a stainless Les Baer at triple the price (which is considered a bargain by many compared to Brown, Wilson, et. al.)

Is it actually a matter of accuracy? How good of a shot does one have to be to take advantage of any greater accuracy of an LB?

Is it actually a matter of reliability?

Is it a actually a matter of aesthetics?

Is it a actually a matter of panache at the range? "Whoa, how do you like your LES BAER?"

Just curious...

You have to actually feel and see the difference between higherend/tier 1911's and production level 1911's.

There is no comparison between say Ruger, SIG, RIA, Springers(minus TRP's), S&W, and say Les Baer, Wilson, Ed Brown, Dan Wesson, etc...

The "fit and finish" are where the quality really shines through and it is very noticeable. Hand fitting does wonders for the 1911 platform.

Not saying that production level 1911's won't work and work well, they just don't have the feel as the semi-custom and higher tier 1911's.

UserM4
08-28-2012, 7:01 PM
I'm sure that most of you have seen this but to those that don't understand the difference between a semi-custom gun such as Les Baer vs an entry level 1911, maybe this video will be insightful.

Dpdy8QQ-Y-Q
"All told there are more than 25 hours of custom pistol smith work in this Premier II model."

patrickstarfish
08-28-2012, 8:11 PM
What do you mean?

In terms of performance and workmanship done to the gun. A Les Baer will shoot accurately, trigger be as crisp and be as reliable as higher semi-custom 1911s.

The gunsmithing done to a Les Baer is not as OCD as or detailed as Wilson or NHC. However, it is quite noticeable with production 1911s. The feel of a Les Baer is like quality steel pieces interacting solidly in a harmonious manner, no slack, no gaps, no rattle, one solid American steel. I appreciate how tightly it's made, some don't.

When I shoot my P2 and compare with my friend's Nighthawk, I don't feel much difference. I don't drool over his NH, and have buyer's remorse.

All this talk about Les Baers is making me want to save up for another one. This time it will be plain TRS with 3" guarantee, short trigger and Heinie Ledge sights, fitted magwell...OP, something to consider

JackRydden224
08-28-2012, 8:33 PM
In terms of performance and workmanship done to the gun. A Les Baer will shoot accurately, trigger be as crisp and be as reliable as higher semi-custom 1911s.

The gunsmithing done to a Les Baer is not as OCD as or detailed as Wilson or NHC. However, it is quite noticeable with production 1911s. The feel of a Les Baer is like quality steel pieces interacting solidly in a harmonious manner, no slack, no gaps, no rattle, one solid American steel. I appreciate how tightly it's made, some don't.

When I shoot my P2 and compare with my friend's Nighthawk, I don't feel much difference. I don't drool over his NH, and have buyer's remorse.

All this talk about Les Baers is making me want to save up for another one. This time it will be plain TRS with 3" guarantee, short trigger and Heinie Ledge sights, fitted magwell...OP, something to consider

I talked to John and his prices are good. He is great. We talked for about 15 minutes before I had to get back to work. He said that he has some P II tactical with Rolo Low mounted sights coming in but he can also custom order things for me.

I'm now seriously thinking about taking $1K out of my house down payment to get a custom order going. Damn. This is going to be exciting!

Hamachi
08-28-2012, 8:38 PM
I don't need it for disassembly but I definitely need it for reassembly. I give credit to that guy for making it look so easy. Trying to line up the slide lock notch while the slide is under tension from the recoil spring is a real PITA to do. Whenever I try to do it, the spring never wants to stay aligned.

I agree!Here is what I got works great!


http://1911doctor.com/ACW_1911_Takedown_Tool.php

JMP
08-28-2012, 8:54 PM
In complete honesty, the only reason that I have not gotten a Les Baer is that I deem myself unworthy. If you are a handgun buff, you should get one.

JackRydden224
08-28-2012, 9:05 PM
In complete honesty, the only reason that I have not gotten a Les Baer is that I deem myself unworthy. If you are a handgun buff, you should get one.

I can't say that I'm a handgun buff but I absolutely love shooting 1911s more than anything else. There is no way that I shoot 3" groups at 50 yards but I will get there one day. I hope!

Beetle Bailey
08-28-2012, 9:43 PM
I can't say that I'm a handgun buff but I absolutely love shooting 1911s more than anything else. There is no way that I shoot 3" groups at 50 yards but I will get there one day. I hope!

Congrats on the Baer! It will be worth the wait. Dunno if I'd recommend someone take a loan out of their down payment on a house to get the Baer ASAP, but I think the Baer is a good choice.

BTW I can't come close to getting 3" at 50 yards with any handgun, but I didn't let that stop me from getting a Custom Carry. It's a very enjoyable gun to shoot and I am honestly happy to make a raggedly hole at 7 yards with mine.

NorCal Einstein
08-28-2012, 10:00 PM
I got a hold of John. He is a great guy and a real pleasure to talk to. I'm gonna have to order from him by the time I get my money together. Boy it's going to be a long wait :D

The wait isn't THATTTT bad.

My order was placed with Les Baer in the 2nd week of May. So long as I limit my time to the handgun forum and stay completely off 1911forum, I almost forget that I have ordered a 1911 and am waiting almost 6 months for one.

One day I'm just going to get a phone call that surprises me saying the order has been filled and it's being shipped off to my FFL :)

I have a Custom Carry with 1.5" guarantee on order. My focus right now is getting my reloading equipment setup so I can have something to feed my baer.

NorCal Einstein
08-28-2012, 10:07 PM
And since I'm in the company of former, current, future Baer owners, I'll leave you guys with this gem in case you missed it.
Cyc Wid It - hand fitting is trivial isn't it? hehe


Kimbers are just like DW, Nighthawk and LB, apart from a few MIM parts, hance the lower price tag ... get real people u know its true, dont hate.

patrickstarfish
08-28-2012, 11:00 PM
The wait isn't THATTTT bad.

My order was placed with Les Baer in the 2nd week of May. So long as I limit my time to the handgun forum and stay completely off 1911forum, I almost forget that I have ordered a 1911 and am waiting almost 6 months for one.

One day I'm just going to get a phone call that surprises me saying the order has been filled and it's being shipped off to my FFL :)

I have a Custom Carry with 1.5" guarantee on order. My focus right now is getting my reloading equipment setup so I can have something to feed my baer.

Great thinking...Baers are hungry beasts. I feed mine MBC 200gr LSWCs.

patrickstarfish
08-28-2012, 11:05 PM
And since I'm in the company of former, current, future Baer owners, I'll leave you guys with this gem in case you missed it.
Cyc Wid It - hand fitting is trivial isn't it? hehe

I have limited experience with Kimbers. However, I have some friends that run with them. One Kimber finally bit the dust after a whole bunch of rounds; however, it was an aluminum frame.

I don't like having firing pin block safety in a 1911, and MIM. I just appreciate crafted steel over MIMs. Just my preferences.

JackRydden224
08-29-2012, 12:14 AM
Congrats on the Baer! It will be worth the wait. Dunno if I'd recommend someone take a loan out of their down payment on a house to get the Baer ASAP, but I think the Baer is a good choice.

BTW I can't come close to getting 3" at 50 yards with any handgun, but I didn't let that stop me from getting a Custom Carry. It's a very enjoyable gun to shoot and I am honestly happy to make a raggedly hole at 7 yards with mine.

Oh not yet, not yet. For now I'm going to be the responsible adult and not touch a penny from the down payment. I'm going to save up until I have the money set aside. I'm glad Cameron told me to look at Les Baers. If I'm going to have one 1911 then it might as well be a Baer. I will either go with the premier II or the custom order an Ultimate Recon through John.

To me, if I can get consistent hits to center mass @ 50 yards with a pistol I'd be more than happy.

Now the hard part starts. I might need to pick up a few odd jobs to get some extra fun money :D

fullspeed1
08-29-2012, 5:19 AM
Dont worry mine is getting there.....;) i think...

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q42/myusi/1911/DSC_0014-1.jpg

This is gonna be the reason why I get another 1911!! I have to say that the quality and price of these Baers trumps most every manufacturer out there, period.

patrickstarfish
08-29-2012, 5:37 AM
Oh not yet, not yet. For now I'm going to be the responsible adult and not touch a penny from the down payment. I'm going to save up until I have the money set aside. I'm glad Cameron told me to look at Les Baers. If I'm going to have one 1911 then it might as well be a Baer. I will either go with the premier II or the custom order an Ultimate Recon through John.

To me, if I can get consistent hits to center mass @ 50 yards with a pistol I'd be more than happy.

Now the hard part starts. I might need to pick up a few odd jobs to get some extra fun money :D

My P2 can shoot a 6" plate at 50 yards consistently, confidently...
The gun can make an average shooter shine.

wjc
08-29-2012, 2:02 PM
I just plunked down a deposit for a Custom Carry. I chose it over the TRS because it was a little beefier and fit better in my hand. The TRS was "too thin" for my hands, i.e. didn't provide a good grip for me.

RudyN
08-29-2012, 2:21 PM
Geat on getting the Les Baer. I have a PremierII and really like it. It is a much better shooting 1911 than I will ever be. :43:

tvfreakarms
08-29-2012, 2:23 PM
Expensive!

Excelsior
08-29-2012, 8:58 PM
I feel that a Les Baer's fit, reliability, and durability is second to none vs. other production 1911s. Also, a Les Baer will hang with the semi-customs of Wilson, Nighthawk, etc.

Les has done a great job filling the production and semi-custom gap of 1911's.

So, one can feel very confident shooting a Les Baer, great gun, great buy...

Thanks, but I still wonder:

Is it actually a matter of accuracy? How good of a shot does one have to be to take advantage of any greater accuracy of an LB?

Is it actually a matter of reliability?

Is it a actually a matter of aesthetics?

Is it a actually a matter of panache at the range? "Whoa, how do you like your LES BAER?"

Just curious...

patrickstarfish
08-29-2012, 9:21 PM
Thanks, but I still wonder:

Is it actually a matter of accuracy? How good of a shot does one have to be to take advantage of any greater accuracy of an LB?

Is it actually a matter of reliability?

Is it a actually a matter of aesthetics?

Is it a actually a matter of panache at the range? "Whoa, how do you like your LES BAER?"

Just curious...

No panache...zip, zero.
Panache comes from individuals, not guns.

five.five-six
08-29-2012, 9:28 PM
Tell me about Les Baer 1911s


here's what I know about them:

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5411/stacks20of20money1ka4.jpg

JackRydden224
09-06-2012, 12:31 PM
I just placed an order with Crazy John for a blued Ultimate Recon with Rolo sights. I will be sending him a deposit on Saturday. The wait is between 6-8 months which means best case scenario I get it in February and worst case in April. I could have bought a Premier II which he has in stock and save about $400 but I decided that if I'm going to spend that much money then why settle?

I can't wait. It'll be long but I'm sure it'll be worth it.