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TNP'R
08-23-2012, 6:01 PM
So I mentioned on my FB that i'm probably going to get a Kimber Custom II Target 1911 and someone commented that a 400 Rock Island armory is just as good and that a Kimber Custom II Target is a cheap Kimber. Is this true?

SilverTauron
08-23-2012, 6:08 PM
So I mentioned on my FB that i'm probably going to get a Kimber Custom II Target 1911 and someone commented that a 400 Rock Island armory is just as good and that a Kimber Custom II Target is a cheap Kimber. Is this true?


No.

There is certainly a signifigant fit and finish difference between a Rock Island Armory versus a higher dollar 1911 such as a Kimber or other brand.

Functionally, while that aspect depends on the intended use there usually isn't a difference. I am no 1911 expert, but note that plenty of men have taken care of business on the target range and against hostiles using plain jane GI grade 1911s. Unless your skill is such that Jerry Mickulek should be concerned when you walk to the line , a match barrel will shoot just as well as a 'standard' barrel offhand at self defense distances.

Ultimately the decision is yours whether the price difference justifies owning a prettier and better-finished weapon.

TNP'R
08-23-2012, 6:11 PM
No.

There is certainly a signifigant fit and finish difference between a Rock Island Armory versus a higher dollar 1911 such as a Kimber or other brand.

Functionally, while that aspect depends on the intended use there usually isn't a difference. I am no 1911 expert, but note that plenty of men have taken care of business on the target range and against hostiles using plain jane GI grade 1911s. Unless your skill is such that Jerry Mickulek should be concerned when you walk to the line , a match barrel will shoot just as well as a 'standard' barrel offhand at self defense distances.

Ultimately the decision is yours whether the price difference justifies owning a prettier and better-finished weapon.

The one i'm looking at is only like 10 dollars more than a Colt Government model. I like the looks over the Government model though.

DArBad
08-23-2012, 6:31 PM
So I mentioned on my FB that i'm probably going to get a Kimber Custom II Target 1911 and someone commented that a 400 Rock Island armory is just as good and that a Kimber Custom II Target is a cheap Kimber. Is this true?

If you like the Kimber Custom II Target, I would heartily recommend it! It is a good gun and NO, it is not a cheap gun.

I have nothing bad to say about the RIAs as they too are good guns, just not in the same tier as the Kimber Custom Target.

Functionally, all 1911s are the same, just that the higher priced brands and model delivers a more satisfying experience.

INFAMOUS762X39
08-23-2012, 10:08 PM
Save your pennies and get the 1911 you want from the start, you will regret it later if you don't.

I love my Kimber TLE II "my first 1911", shoots flawlessly, reliable, accurate blah blah blah. I recommend any Kimber that tickles your fancy. You really can't go wrong. Kimber's in my opinion are one of the best run for your money Production 1911's.

Rock Island 1911's do not count in my book, simply not made in the USA. Self Explanatory! :hide:

InGrAM
08-23-2012, 10:23 PM
They will both shoot, and shoot about the same size holes and most distances (depending on the shooter) but the Kimber has more features. You will feel the quality difference between the two.

A RIA is just as good as the Kimber in the fields of reliability and function. But the Kimber is going have a much better fit, finish and over all quality.

InGrAM
08-23-2012, 10:24 PM
Save your pennies and get the 1911 you want from the start, you will regret it later if you don't.

I love my Kimber TLE II "my first 1911", shoots flawlessly, reliable, accurate blah blah blah. I recommend any Kimber that tickles your fancy. You really can't go wrong. Kimber's in my opinion are one of the best run for your money Production 1911's.

Rock Island 1911's do not count in my book, simply not made in the USA. Self Explanatory! :hide:

So I guess Springfield Armory doesn't count in your book but SIG 1911's do. ;)

PerfectReset
08-23-2012, 11:23 PM
Look at it this way, depending how long you want to keep it, you'll get about the same % back when you sell it so that % is probably a much smaller difference than the price difference up front... If you have the money, go with the one that gets you excited (and for some that's the Rock Island because they want to beat the piss out of it and not worry about it). I have gone the cheap route; 50% of the time I regret missing out on the overall experience of the more expensive route. If money is tight, the Rock Island is a damn well built gun with solid materials where it counts, it lacks the polish of the higher end 1911's but is a nice piece of hardware mechanically.

KandyRedCoi
08-24-2012, 1:38 AM
i own both kimber and rocks ... short answer is NO!

the target model should be considerably better than the rock, and you dont need to be a gun expert to be able to tell the difference ... i set all 1911 standards to my Kimber and i personally havent shot any that feels as good, accurate and solid ... but i love my rocks too :D

LovingTheYear1911
08-24-2012, 5:52 AM
I also own both and there is a huge difference in fit and finish. With my RIA I've had FTF but with nevercan issue with my Kimber. You can't compare the two. It's like a Honda Civic and a Mustang GT.

LovingTheYear1911
08-24-2012, 5:53 AM
Dang auto correct on my phone. I meant to say I've never had an issue with my kimber.

Horton Fenty
08-24-2012, 6:26 AM
The one i'm looking at is only like 10 dollars more than a Colt Government model. I like the looks over the Government model though.

I like me some Colt's, and this is probably what I would go home with. They're just better cause as they are from the factory they can play music.

La7n8-b3V7Y

WWDHD?
08-24-2012, 10:39 AM
They will both shoot, and shoot about the same size holes and most distances (depending on the shooter) but the Kimber has more features. You will feel the quality difference between the two.

A RIA is just as good as the Kimber in the fields of reliability and function. But the Kimber is going have a much better fit, finish and over all quality.

Agree. I have a RIA Tactical and I like it for what it is: a pretty good 1911 for a fair price.
Besides the price difference, I would say the only advantage the RIA has over the Kimber is the Armscore customer service is very good if you have a problem whereas Kimber has a rep for being, to put it nicely, rather uncooperative in that regard at times.
No doubt, the Kimber has better fit/finnish and is US made. That goes a long way. Good luck. (Buy both!)

DArBad
08-24-2012, 10:53 AM
I also own both and there is a huge difference in fit and finish.......... You can't compare the two. It's like a Honda Civic and a Mustang GT.

I would have said " its like comparing a Kia (RIA), to a Ford Mustang GT (Kimber Custom Target II).:)

polo.45
08-24-2012, 11:01 AM
So I mentioned on my FB that i'm probably going to get a Kimber Custom II Target 1911 and someone commented that a 400 Rock Island armory is just as good and that a Kimber Custom II Target is a cheap Kimber. Is this true? I like RIA's. But Kimbers are. Better guns

gorenut
08-24-2012, 11:17 AM
Functionally both will perform similar. The Kimber will probably have better sights and trigger. The Kimber will definitely have a better fit and finish. As with most guns.. after you spend X base amount, the additional costs may not exactly translate directly in "getting your money's worth" since beyond a certain point it's mostly preference and luxury.

Lead Waster
08-24-2012, 12:28 PM
I'm an RIA fanboy, but yes, the RIA could do with better sights and the stock grips aren't very good. However, I think that Armscor realized that most people change these things out to custom parts, even if the gun came with nicer sights and grips.

Is it rough around the edges? Yep. Is it a pretty pretty kitty? Nope.

But it shoots, it's reliable. It's a good place to start if you haven't had a 1911 before and you really don't know what bells and whistles you want.

Sure it's valid to say "Save up your pennies and get what you want" but it's hard to say what those things are that you might want unless you've had a 1911 before!

IMHO, everyone should have 2 1911s (I only have one) the RIA Tactical to start and to figure out what you really want in a 1911, and then the fully customized 1911 that you built based on your experiences with the RIA.

OR, just get the RIA, learn to shoot it really really well, then go to the range and shoot better than newbies with high end guns, just to be annoying! LOL!

KandyRedCoi
08-24-2012, 3:53 PM
start with a GI and move up ... you really appreciate the differences even minor, i know i do

jvpark
08-24-2012, 5:38 PM
I thought I was missing something when I read the title... seems to be completely different classes of 1911s.

gmcal
08-24-2012, 6:14 PM
It's been awhile since I checked out 1911's but, Kimbers usually have smoother edges (dehorning), a better/lighter trigger, and a higher cut front strap than other entry level 1911's. I do wish Kimber would make their "bump and grooved" GS standard across their lineup though.

KandyRedCoi
08-24-2012, 7:16 PM
I thought I was missing something when I read the title... seems to be completely different classes of 1911s.

yep, thas why the RIA can be bought and "modded" to the owners preference and still be with-in the budget of the Kimber as-is.

if someone wants to tinker around with their toys i suggest the RIA for the ve u get and the fact that u can mod it as you please and learn how to work on 1911 rather than ruining a more expensive gun

but if all you want is a straight shooter out of the box then just get the other higher priced guns

not that the RIA is not a good gun, but it does lack certain refinements found on the much pricier counter parts

StormRaven
08-24-2012, 9:12 PM
I like me some Colt's, and this is probably what I would go home with. They're just better cause as they are from the factory they can play music.

La7n8-b3V7Y

That video is EPIC. Never saw it before, thanks! :D

Now, if the new Colts didn't have so many quality issues and weren't so expensive on top of that. :(

Josh3239
08-24-2012, 9:23 PM
Go to a gun store and just feel them. You can feel the difference. Fit and finish is nicer on the Kimber and they are tighter. Just better made. I don't think I can ever own a RIA after seeing one that got shipped out without rifling. Yea, stuff slips through the cracks, but that is a pretty big screw up. A lot of RIA owners get emotionally invested in their handgun and try to say it is just as good as other 1911s, they are just plain wrong. RIA is big on the MIM, Kimber has MIM but not nearly as much.

63 tango
08-25-2012, 7:22 AM
I used to have a Kimber Stainless Target II. I believe its the same gun your looking at except its stainless. It was a very smooth, nice shooting gun and it felt good in the hand. I liked the adjustable sights. I wouldnt call any Kimber a cheap gun. The only reason I don't have it still is because I sold it to buy a Colt Gold Cup series 70.