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AK all day
08-22-2012, 9:21 AM
Hey guys, I'm looking into getting a 12 gauge shotgun of my own pretty soon here. I'm looking for something pretty multi-purpose for trap and skeet, hunting, and possibly home defense. Price is obviously a concern, but anything under $400 is great. Any information or input is greatly appriciated. Thanks guys.

Currently looking at the good ol' mossberg 500.

henmar77
08-22-2012, 9:27 AM
Remington 870. The swiss army knife of the shotgun world. Nuff said...

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Barbarossa
08-22-2012, 9:30 AM
Looking into a 12 Gauge...

Better make sure it's unloaded first, 'orwise things can get messy.

I'm very comfortable with the 870, and it's served me well so far. It's a good tool.

CSACANNONEER
08-22-2012, 9:33 AM
For skeet, you'll want a semi or O/U. For trap, if you ever plan on shooting doubles, the same would apply. While there are some old semis out there under $400, I would plan on spending double that at least. In the mean time, an 870 or a 500 will get you started.

AK all day
08-22-2012, 12:00 PM
The 870 and the 500 were the two I was debating with myself over. Both pretty good records, but the 870 is a bit more. Worth it?

henmar77
08-22-2012, 12:03 PM
The 870 and the 500 were the two I was debating with myself over. Both pretty good records, but the 870 is a bit more. Worth it?

So worth it! both are great i will admit. But like i said its the swiss army knife of shotguns. Better put, its the AR15 of the shotgun world. unlimited aftermarket. I now own the 11-87 which is the auto version of the 870 so to speak. but a lot of aftermarket parts are interchangeable. Which i love!

CSACANNONEER
08-22-2012, 12:26 PM
The Big5 special 500 combo kit is the best way to go. An 870 with 2 barrels is going to cost you a lot more. I'm not bias. I own both. Well, I have an 870 in .410 but, I wouldn't get a 500 in .410.

AK all day
08-22-2012, 12:34 PM
Well thanks guys, I'm leaning further toward the 870 now, regardless of cost. The 500 will always be a good option in my book though. Is there different types of 870s I should be aware of?

CK_32
08-22-2012, 1:29 PM
500 or 870..

I might as well copy and paste this responce and leave my comouter on.

roc_my_tims
08-22-2012, 1:42 PM
I got my 870 express for $300 back in the day. Now years later i purchased a new takeoff 28in barrel for $100. I like this option because it came with a tube that hold 6 rounds.

RockinGlock69
08-22-2012, 2:29 PM
I picked up an 870 recently. I think 870 versus 500 is like Fors versus Chevy or Honda versus Toyota...etc...etc...both are good...

Wherryj
08-22-2012, 5:39 PM
So worth it! both are great i will admit. But like i said its the swiss army knife of shotguns. Better put, its the AR15 of the shotgun world. unlimited aftermarket. I now own the 11-87 which is the auto version of the 870 so to speak. but a lot of aftermarket parts are interchangeable. Which i love!

The 500/590 have pretty much anything you will want available as aftermarket.

Either the 810 or 500/590 will serve you well.

AK all day
08-22-2012, 9:37 PM
Now the delima seems to be finding which Remington I want... So many variations...

blazeaglory
08-22-2012, 10:31 PM
The Big5 special 500 combo kit is the best way to go. An 870 with 2 barrels is going to cost you a lot more. I'm not bias. I own both. Well, I have an 870 in .410 but, I wouldn't get a 500 in .410.

This^^^

870 are good guns but no better than mossberg. Only good thing is that they can get "tacticool" quicker than a mossberg.

BigFatGuy
08-22-2012, 10:35 PM
I love shooting skeet with my 590.

I would suggest a 500 over the 590, as replacement barrels are more readily available and chokes can be more easily fit for trap/sporting clays.

smittty
08-22-2012, 10:48 PM
I suggest looking for a used 870 Wingmaster. They start at about $200.

I would shop in this order:
- Used 870 Wingmaster
- New 500
- new 870 express

mikajo39
08-22-2012, 11:49 PM
I suggest looking for a used 870 Wingmaster. They start at about $200.

I would shop in this order:
- Used 870 Wingmaster
- New 500
- new 870 express

Smittty nailed it.

odslim
08-23-2012, 12:04 AM
Isn't there a capacity difference between the 500 vs the 870?

OP.. I was on the exact same search as you but never came to a conclusion, i was wanting an all around shotgun as well (skeet, trap, HD). For me though, I wanted capacity and thats where I got lost and stop searching. But what I did do was go to my local gun store and handled both the 500 and 870. To me the 870 was a little bit more well built, considering it was a display, I racked both gun relatively hard a few times and the 870 was just a bit more sturdier.

Does anyone know how to if possible get the most capacity out of the 500 and 870 with aftermarket parts? I thought I saw a high cap kit for the 500 from brownells that had a 20" barrel and a magazine that carried 8 shots?? Does Remington have a kit like that?

mikajo39
08-23-2012, 12:10 AM
If I can remember correctly Remington puts dimples in their magazine tubes to limit capacity on the lower end models. Police 870s have the larger capacity tubes. Mossbergs allow for the attachment of magazine tube extensions.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

CK_32
08-23-2012, 7:12 AM
If you go 870 new buy an express and add the junk your self.. Remington over charges for the stuff added on like the added labor to putting on the after market stuff to the MSRP..

If you want used look at a wing master or express.. Don't get caught up in all that tactical stuff buy a 28/26" and buy a tactical barrel for around 100 and the. Later add a ext tube and what have you..

Also don't get ghost sights such a waste unless you plan on shooting slug 95% of the time. It's just a tacticool feature guys swear buy the preformance but have no clue they aren't got normal shot just slugs.. It's just a look more than preformance.

Legasat
08-23-2012, 10:22 AM
The "Big 5 special" Mossberg 590 holds 9 shots, and is under $400.

Sicarius
08-23-2012, 10:57 AM
First question. Are you left handed? If so, mossberg is the best way to go because the safety is located on the top back of the receiver. If not, you can go whichever way fits your budget. I personally like the 870 more because it feels more solid in my hands and I like the ability to add an extension tube as to where the mossbergs are pretty fixed without buying a new barrel and extension tube. I believe the new 870s are going to that form factor too though...
Kevin

AK all day
08-23-2012, 2:24 PM
Okay, I'm digging the 870 express tactical 18 1/2 barrel. Next on the list is the regular 870 express with 7+1 capicity. I'm not sure if I'm on the right track or not... I understand these are not ideal for hunting and or trap, but am I on the right path here? I would like a wingmaster, but don't want to by used.

AK all day
08-23-2012, 2:24 PM
I will go and look at both guns and decide if they feel different in quality.

Newshooter
08-23-2012, 4:44 PM
Bass Pro has the Weatherby Semi-Auto SSA-08 on sale right now for just a little over your budget ($479.99). Great for skeet, doubles trap, hunting and sporting clays.

repubconserv
08-23-2012, 4:47 PM
Better make sure it's unloaded first, 'orwise things can get messy.


First thing I thought when I saw the thread title

repubconserv
08-23-2012, 4:48 PM
OP, my vote is for the Moss 500

CK_32
08-23-2012, 4:59 PM
OP the best value 870 is an old wing master or new express.. I was in the same boat after selling my first 870 and wanting the best one for my buck.. The express is the best for your buck the rest is all over priced stuff you can do your self cheaper..

I looked at the tactical and everything done to it is about $150 more expensive if you just bought a express and did it your self. Your money.. But personally I went express they aren't bad if younger them in decent shape.. And get a 28/26" if you plan on skeet or anything because barrels for 26+ inches go for $170+ 18" go for $100.. So youll spend more in the long run starting with an 18" barrel.

Lumpia is sarap!
08-23-2012, 6:46 PM
A side by side coach gun is what's on my mind right now...reloading is a pain with only two shots. Go for the Wingmaster.

AK all day
08-23-2012, 10:36 PM
Thanks for all the info guys, it's helping. Okay, here is links to guns I have my eyes on. Not looking to buy from CTD, just using to browse.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/2-REM82104

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/2-REM25077

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/95568

smittty
08-23-2012, 11:26 PM
Ok, check these out,
http://www.davidsonsinc.com/consumers/subsites/inven_product.asp?dealer_id=44598&item=5077&instock=in&manufact_combo=Remington&mod_ser_combo=870&category_combo=2&model=870&g_type=None&act_type=&finish_type=None&calib_combo=12+Gauge&sight_class_combo=None&price_range=None&left_handed=&youth=&Offset_rec=0&num_rec=100&item_num=

http://www.davidsonsinc.com/consumers/subsites/inven_product.asp?dealer_id=44598&item=52136%2DMOS&instock=in&manufact_combo=Mossberg&mod_ser_combo=500&category_combo=2&model=500&g_type=None&act_type=&finish_type=None&calib_combo=12+Gauge&sight_class_combo=None&price_range=%24300+to+%24500&left_handed=&youth=&Offset_rec=0&num_rec=100&item_num=

http://www.davidsonsinc.com/consumers/subsites/inven_product.asp?dealer_id=44598&item=50575&instock=in&manufact_combo=Mossberg&mod_ser_combo=500&category_combo=2&model=500&g_type=None&act_type=&finish_type=None&calib_combo=12+Gauge&sight_class_combo=None&price_range=%24300+to+%24500&left_handed=&youth=&Offset_rec=0&num_rec=100&item_num=