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Dont Tread on Me
06-18-2007, 7:51 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/19/washington/19scotus.html?hp

WASHINGTON, June 18 — The Supreme Court on Monday extended to automobile passengers the same right that drivers have: the right to challenge the validity of a decision by the police to stop the car.

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The unanimous ruling was based on the justices’ “intuitive conclusion,” in the words of the opinion’s author, Justice David H. Souter, that passengers in a car stopped by the police do not feel free to get out and walk away.

Consequently, Justice Souter said, a police stop results in a “seizure” of the passengers no less than of the driver. It is a basic principle of constitutional law that only a person who has been “seized” through official action can challenge that action as a violation of the Fourth Amendment’s prohibition on unreasonable search and seizure.

The court’s decision reopened the appeal of a California man, Bruce E. Brendlin, who was a passenger in a car that the police stopped, ostensibly to check whether the registration had expired. The state later conceded that the stop was invalid because the police officers knew, from an encounter earlier that day, that the registration was in order.

Upon stopping the car, one of the officers recognized Mr. Brendlin as a parole violator and arrested him. A search revealed methamphetamine supplies. Mr. Brendlin pleaded guilty and was sentenced to four years in prison, but argued on appeal that the evidence should be suppressed as the result of the unlawful stop.

The California Supreme Court, overturning a lower state court that had ruled in his favor, held that Mr. Brendlin was not entitled to seek suppression. The state court said that he was not the target of the stop and that until the officer recognized and arrested him, he had not been “seized.”

The California Supreme Court’s analysis was an anomaly, as Justice Souter noted in his opinion; every federal appeals court to address the issue, as well as 47 state courts, had concluded that the police “seize” all the occupants of a car when they stop it.

While the decision, Brendlin v. California, No. 06-8120, therefore did not change the law in most jurisdictions, it did demonstrate an atypical moment of unanimity for the court in a case concerning the rights of criminal defendants.

Nearly half the decisions so far this term in cases concerning criminal procedure or habeas corpus, 9 out of 20 decisions, have been by 5-to-4 votes. In another six, the court voted 9 to 0, although the justices were not necessarily unanimous in their reasoning.

The court’s polarization is revealed by individual voting patterns. In the 14 cases with divided votes, Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. voted 12 times for the prosecution side. Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. voted for that side in 13 of the 14 divided cases. On the other side of the court, Justice John Paul Stevens, arguably the most liberal justice, voted for the defendant in 11 of the 14 divided cases.

The outcome of the latest case was foreshadowed during the argument in April, when one justice after another appeared to share the view that being stopped by the police was not a benign or casual experience for anyone in the car, whether driver or passenger. “The heart rate went up, the blood pressure went up,” Justice Souter, a former New Hampshire attorney general, mused aloud.

In the opinion, he wrote: “A traffic stop necessarily curtails the travel a passenger has chosen just as much as it halts the driver.” He added, “No passenger would feel free to leave.”

Martin S. Pinales, president of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, called the decision “a victory for common sense.”

The decision may not, however, be of much help to many passengers, whose success in suppressing incriminating evidence will depend on demonstrating that the stop was improper. But the court has given the police great leeway in stopping cars, ruling for example that a stop is valid as long as there is some objective reason for it, such as a broken tail light, regardless of whether the officer might have had an invalid motive, such as racial profiling.

It is not clear whether, as a parole violator, Mr. Brendlin will succeed in his effort to suppress the evidence. The justices left that question to the California courts.

Looking beyond this case, Justice Souter said that the inability of passengers to challenge arbitrary traffic stops gave the police “a powerful incentive” to run “roving patrols.”

In other action on Monday, the court turned down an appeal filed by six prisoners on Alabama’s death row who challenged the state’s refusal to provide lawyers for inmates who have been sentenced to death for a second round of appeals, known as state post-conviction review. Alabama, which has the country’s fastest-growing death row, is the only state that does not provide counsel at this stage, a state-court version of federal habeas corpus at which a convicted defendant can challenge the constitutionality of a trial or sentence.

The inmates lost their case in the federal appeals court in Atlanta. Their Supreme Court appeal, Barbour v. Allen, No. 06-10605, was supported by a brief filed by former justices of the Alabama Supreme Court and former presidents of the state bar association. The brief said Alabama’s refusal to provide lawyers had put the state’s legal system “in a state of crisis” and made Supreme Court review “imperative.”

Dont Tread on Me
06-18-2007, 7:53 PM
I don't like parole violators walking but I do like it when the SCOUS rules in our favor. This might help at a traffic stop when you are a passenger transporting firearms.

artherd
06-18-2007, 11:05 PM
I like meth-headed parole voilators walking, when the alternative is a tyranical police-state in which any of us can be detained without cause at any time.

Of course passengers are "seized". The very notion to the contrary is, as mentioned, borderline comical.

XDshooter
06-19-2007, 4:00 AM
So am I understanding this correctly.

If I am a passenger and the police pull the vehicle over and I have say some drugs on me, then I can just walk away and they have no legal right to search me? Or regardless if I walk away, they have no legal right to search me?

Dont Tread on Me
06-19-2007, 5:57 AM
If I am a passenger and the police pull the vehicle over and I have say some drugs on me, then I can just walk away and they have no legal right to search me?

This is how I'm reading it. I understand that the driver is detained but the passengers are not. There is the practical problem of a LEO going ape if you get out of the car.

When watching COPS (not the best source of legal advice/ police protocols....) I note that the cops order passengers out and ask them questions in a style that makes me think they are detained too.

hitnrun
06-19-2007, 6:25 AM
So am I understanding this correctly.

If I am a passenger and the police pull the vehicle over and I have say some drugs on me, then I can just walk away and they have no legal right to search me? Or regardless if I walk away, they have no legal right to search me?

We never could detain passengers on a traffic stop. At least that was the way I was taught. If I stopped a car for a traffic violation, and the passenger took off on foot...I'd just let him run. I have no articulable reason to hold him. However, if I had reasonable suspicion that a crime had been or was about to be committed by a passenger, then I could hold them/chase them.


Does this now mean that since they are considered "detained" along with the driver, I can chase them like I would a driver fleeing a traffic stop on foot? And that I can order them out of the car and question them about whatever like I would a driver???


Hmmm.

MrTuffPaws
06-19-2007, 7:54 AM
Okay, what the hell. I read the article but I am not sure if a passenger can walk or not. :confused:

code33
06-19-2007, 8:19 AM
I was told the same unless the vehicle is stopped on a roadway that prohibits pedestrian traffic. Then if the passenger starts walking, you can detain because a crime is now afoot.

We never could detain passengers on a traffic stop. At least that was the way I was taught. If I stopped a car for a traffic violation, and the passenger took off on foot...I'd just let him run. I have no articulable reason to hold him. However, if I had reasonable suspicion that a crime had been or was about to be committed by a passenger, then I could hold them/chase them.

tiki
06-19-2007, 9:25 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/19/washington/19scotus.html?hp

The California Supreme Court’s analysis was an anomaly, as Justice Souter noted in his opinion; every federal appeals court to address the issue, as well as 47 state courts, had concluded that the police “seize” all the occupants of a car when they stop it.


WHAT???? A California Court analysis is an anomaly?? Oh my god!!! Stop the presses!!! This never happened before!!!!
Ha ha ha ha.

FreedomIsNotFree
06-19-2007, 3:41 PM
Let me see if I can clear up some of the confusion.

What SCOTUS has said is this. As a passenger in a vehicle that is pulled over by the police you now have the same right/ability to challenge the lawfulness of the stop.

This does not mean you can walk or run away from the car, as a passenger, when stopped. The Justices said the passenger clearly does NOT feel free to simply walk away and therefor is "detained".

If the stop was illegal, anything that became a legal issue, such as drugs etc. etc., is fruit of the poison tree and must be excluded from any prosecution. This now applies to the passenger as well as the driver.

The state was trying to argue that as a passenger, you are not being detained and therefor have no right to challenge the legality of the stop.

Dont Tread on Me
06-19-2007, 3:51 PM
The question now has to be that while the Supreme Court states that the passenger may "feel" detained are they indeed detained? Am I within my rights as a passenger to say "thank you officer this is where i wanted to get out anyway:-)." The sanity of doing that with a LEO worried about his own safety is a different question.

PS FreedomIsNotFree - love the signature.

eta34
06-19-2007, 4:02 PM
FreedomisnotFree summarized it quite well. In my opinion, this changes very little in how I do the job. I couldn't care less who challenges my reason for stopping the vehicle...I always use lawful reasons, so challenge away.

I think, however, this is a good ruling overall. It protects everyone.

artherd
06-19-2007, 7:07 PM
eta34, if you always stop lawfully, then you have nothing to fear from challenges :D

All: there is one very easy way to tell if you are being detained. Ask "Officer, am I free to go?" If they say "yes" then GO, if they say "no" then <generally> say NOTHING ELSE, and refer all questions to counsel.

Dont Tread on Me
06-19-2007, 8:06 PM
All: there is one very easy way to tell if you are being detained. Ask "Officer, am I free to go?" If they say "yes" then GO, if they say "no" then <generally> say NOTHING ELSE, and refer all questions to counsel.

Very good advice.

eta34
06-20-2007, 5:24 AM
That is correct artherd...I have nothing to fear when it comes to challenges.

eta34
06-20-2007, 9:20 AM
Here is a briefing sent to us by the LA County District Attorney regarding the Brendlin case. Forgive the length as I don't have a link for it.


ISSUE: Is a passenger detained when the vehicle in which s/he is riding is stopped by police?

In People v. Brendlin (2006) 38 Cal.4th 1107, the California Supreme Court ruled that passengers are not necessarily detained at a traffic stop just because their driver is. The US Supreme Court has unanimously reversed this ruling:

"[T]he issue is whether a reasonable passenger would have perceived that the show of authority was at least partly directed at him, and that he was thus not free to ignore the police presence and go about his business. ... [A]ny reasonable passenger would have understood the police officers to be exercising control to the point that no one in the car was free to depart without police permission." Brendlin v. California (2007) 551 US ___ , WL 1730143.

This decision holds that passengers will have "standing" to contest the validity of traffic stops, but it also says that police have "unquestioned command" at a stop, and that "a sensible person would not expect a police officer to allow people to come and go freely from the physical focal point of an investigation into faulty behavior or wrongdoing. ... It is also reasonable for passengers to expect that a police officer at the scene of a crime, arrest, or investigation will not let people move around in ways that could jeopardize his safety." This language implies that police have the authority to detain passengers temporarily within the scope of the stop without individualized suspicion toward them, contrary to the holding of People v. Gonzales (1992) 7 Cal.App.4th 381, 386.

The Supreme Court remanded the Brendlin case to the California Supreme Court to consider whether suppression of evidence would be an appropriate remedy when a concededly unreasonable stop led to discovery of an outstanding arrest warrant for a passenger who was in possession of illegal drugs.

(The court also said in footnote 6 that taxi and bus passengers are not necessarily detained when the driver is stopped, depending on whether a reasonable passenger would have felt free to terminate the encounter with police.)

BOTTOM LINE: Passengers in a stopped vehicle that is not a common carrier are detained within the meaning of the Fourth Amendment, and so have "standing" to challenge the lawfulness of the stop.

dfletcher
06-20-2007, 9:27 AM
Then this ruling goes to a passenger having standing - by virtue of being considered "detained" during a stop - and not as to whether the passenger is free to simply leave the scene - correct?

XDshooter
06-24-2007, 8:49 AM
Then this ruling goes to a passenger having standing - by virtue of being considered "detained" during a stop - and not as to whether the passenger is free to simply leave the scene - correct?

That's what I'm getting now.