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vantec08
08-20-2012, 10:42 AM
http://articles.courant.com/2012-08-19/business/hc-colt-45-marine-corp-20120817_1_pistols-military-officers-caliber

An order last month of new M45 Close Quarter Battle Pistols for the Marines is the first purchase of any Colt handgun in almost three decades by any branch of the U.S. military, though .45-caliber Colts were a trusty sidearm of the Army and Marines for most of the 20th century.

Synergy
08-20-2012, 11:55 AM
Outstanding! :79:

I really like that color and grips!

http://www.courant.com/media/photo/2012-08/71862399.jpg

9mmepiphany
08-20-2012, 1:16 PM
...and I was all excited, when I read the title, that the Marines were going to go back to the Colt SAA.

How disappointing that it was old news in just another thread...that has been posted here more than once already

PolishMike
08-20-2012, 1:22 PM
Lol complete bull****. They have always had a small number like this in service.

They bought a very small number of them (comparatively) for one unit even though the test units all decided to off themselves before completing the tests, lol. Even the guys testing them were surprised that the Corps still bought them.

john67elco
08-20-2012, 1:24 PM
Now that's good news

PolishMike
08-20-2012, 1:27 PM
There are also a ton of Glock 19's being used by MEU(SOC) among others.

Sutcliffe
08-20-2012, 5:42 PM
Shortest lived, most awesome, service handgun ever.

surplus-addict
08-20-2012, 6:44 PM
Aaaand they're already failing. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/08/robert-farago/incendiary-image-of-the-day-failed-marsoc-winning-colt-m1911-rail-guns/

http://ttag.zippykidcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Lower-crack-on-test-Colt-M1911-courtesy-soldiersystems.net_1.jpg

cdtx2001
08-20-2012, 7:39 PM
Aaaand they're already failing. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/08/robert-farago/incendiary-image-of-the-day-failed-marsoc-winning-colt-m1911-rail-guns/

http://ttag.zippykidcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Lower-crack-on-test-Colt-M1911-courtesy-soldiersystems.net_1.jpg

Yikes!!!

Looks like the corner on the outside of the frame is a good stress riser. I'm sure a slight modification during manufacturing in the form of a rounded corner will do the trick.

Spiggy
08-20-2012, 9:14 PM
It's a problem with the square cut for the material. They need a rounded corner instead of a sharp one.

jyo
08-21-2012, 2:15 PM
Already failing---that's a Colt for you...

dieselpower
08-21-2012, 9:03 PM
more Glocks then Colts...

SilverTauron
08-21-2012, 9:26 PM
I mean no sarcasm when I ask this, but who here as actually run 12,000 of .45 ACP through a 1911?

At my local practice ammo prices that's $4800 worth of rounds.Call it $5K with targets and range fees.

Colt-45
08-21-2012, 9:31 PM
Are these still ONLY for special forces(read a while back)?
or did they decide to dump the M9s all together and replace them with ALL 1911s?

Maddog5150
08-21-2012, 9:32 PM
Already been posted and they are already cracking.

Maddog5150
08-21-2012, 9:36 PM
I mean no sarcasm when I ask this, but who here as actually run 12,000 of .45 ACP through a 1911?

At my local practice ammo prices that's $4800 worth of rounds.Call it $5K with targets and range fees.

While this is true and wouldnt bother you or me, this is for the military. That gun is expected to run forever. It's not going to live its whole entire life to a single Marine, it's supposed to last and be reissued over and over and over. I've seen M9s so used that they almost look like an INOX and still tick with well over 10k plus neglect that were probably over a decade old. If a pistol cant outrun 10k on todays technology, it doesnt belong in the military and is a waste of tax payers money.

Colt-45
08-21-2012, 9:36 PM
That's no bueno, I hope Colt makes it right, I'm thinking this has something to do with the rail? otherwise, all prior 1911's would've cracked in the same place since the begging of their inception?

If this is correct, watch everyone dump their railguns on the marketplace or other forums marketplace, gunbroker aswell. :43:

MXRider
08-21-2012, 9:44 PM
I mean no sarcasm when I ask this, but who here as actually run 12,000 of .45 ACP through a 1911?

At my local practice ammo prices that's $4800 worth of rounds.Call it $5K with targets and range fees.

I will break the 10,000 round mark in one of my glocks later this year or early next year. Granted it has taken me almost 5 years to get to that point. If it were my only pistol, it would be 20,000 most likely over that time.

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frankm
08-21-2012, 9:46 PM
Damn! They need to buy some Rock Island .45s.....what? At least they're milspec WW2 style!

SuperSet
08-21-2012, 9:50 PM
zing While this is true and wouldnt bother you or me, this is for the military. That gun is expected to run forever. It's not going to live its whole entire life to a single Marine, it's supposed to last and be reissued over and over and over. I've seen M9s so used that they almost look like an INOX and still tick with well over 10k plus neglect that were probably over a decade old. If a pistol cant outrun 10k on todays technology, it doesnt belong in the military and is a waste of tax payers money.

Your statement is such irony as I believe the M9 is a huge piece of crap and proof that the procurement process was/is seriously broken.

Maddog5150
08-21-2012, 9:54 PM
I will break the 10,000 round mark in one of my glocks later this year or early next year. Granted it has taken me almost 5 years to get to that point. If it were my only pistol, it would be 20,000 most likely over that time.

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yeah. they definately should of went with a glock 21 if they wanted a 45. Cheap, realiable, cheap, accurate, cheap, easy to work on and the armoror can replace any part without needing to be fitted... did I mention cheap?
I know a lot of people will get offended at that but we're talking 100 year old technology vs technology thats a few decades old. Its the equivilant to a new car vs a model A. The newer one will definately last long. (btw, model A's needed engine overhauls ever 3k ;) )

fighterpilot562
08-21-2012, 10:21 PM
Aaaand they're already failing. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/08/robert-farago/incendiary-image-of-the-day-failed-marsoc-winning-colt-m1911-rail-guns/

http://ttag.zippykidcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Lower-crack-on-test-Colt-M1911-courtesy-soldiersystems.net_1.jpg

That looks nasty/bad

SuperSet
08-21-2012, 10:25 PM
Curious..how much pistol training does the average Marine get per year?

Colt-45
08-21-2012, 10:53 PM
Curious..how much pistol training does the average Marine get per year?

The average infantrymen (Army and/or Marines)? I could be wrong but most likely very little, I'm sure they at least know how to use them though.

I've been told from more than one source that officers, and special forcers get sidearms. If there's any left over some NCO's get them too starting with the senior NCO's and working their way down the ranks.

jonzer77
08-21-2012, 11:02 PM
I mean no sarcasm when I ask this, but who here as actually run 12,000 of .45 ACP through a 1911?

At my local practice ammo prices that's $4800 worth of rounds.Call it $5K with targets and range fees.

That is why you reload......that would only be $1500 for 12,000 rounds :)

I have put about 6k through one of my Colts and 5k through another in a little over a year and they are still going strong. Now they only gets reloads which are quite mild compared to the ammo they are probably using. That and the fact that the round count has been spread out between several range sessions and competitions.

surplus-addict
08-21-2012, 11:03 PM
Damn! They need to buy some Rock Island .45s.....what? At least they're milspec WW2 style!

All they'd need to do is buy the tactical model and redesign it to have an integrated rail!

Oh wait, they already have :D

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/Other/SHOT-Show-2012-Day-3/i-TTT5qMR/0/L/DSC6716-L.jpg

Sheepdog1968
08-21-2012, 11:04 PM
I mean no sarcasm when I ask this, but who here as actually run 12,000 of .45 ACP through a 1911?

At my local practice ammo prices that's $4800 worth of rounds.Call it $5K with targets and range fees.

Took a 1911 class by John Jardine. According to him, if the parts aren't fighting each other a 1911 should be capable of a million rounds. Yes, you need to do rountine maintenance He tests fires about 4,000 rounds through the ones he sells to make sure they are working properly.

InGrAM
08-22-2012, 1:49 AM
Outstanding! :79:

I really like that color and grips!

http://www.courant.com/media/photo/2012-08/71862399.jpg

Those stocks kind of look like the stocks/grips on the R1 Enhanced but lighter in color.

Actually they look exactly the same. Good looking grips.

SFgiants105
08-22-2012, 2:07 AM
Damn! They need to buy some Rock Island .45s.....what? At least they're milspec WW2 style!

Lol that's why they wouldn't. Good luck hitting anything smaller than a barn door with those GI sights. Thing weighs a ton too; would rather carry 3 more 30 rd mags for the same weight :p

keenkeen
08-22-2012, 8:28 AM
Lol that's why they wouldn't. Good luck hitting anything smaller than a barn door with those GI sights. Thing weighs a ton too; would rather carry 3 more 30 rd mags for the same weight :p

Can't disagree about the sights...but the weight issue has me confused. The Colt with rail they spec'ed is going to be at least as heavy as the GI version of the RIA. (probably 4 oz or so heavier actually)

:confused:

gunprofit
08-22-2012, 10:16 AM
I am a former Marine and would like to see my brother Marines armed with the best available. I have owned many many 1911's as well as many Beretta 92s. My experience with the Beretta has not been good. I broke the locking lugs twice. The safety broke off. And finally the slide cracked. Total number of rounds was less than 10k. In regards to the 1911, there are many good ones. However, Colt would not be my first choice. I own 1911's that have well over 100k shot thru them with no problems. I expect to perform normal maintainence and replace certain parts, springs, etc. But, frame cracks are unacceptable. Anyway I would like to see my Marine Corps go back to a 45 caliber and I believe the 1911 platform is best suited for that. Semper Fi

Quiet
08-22-2012, 5:09 PM
Are these still ONLY for special forces(read a while back)?
or did they decide to dump the M9s all together and replace them with ALL 1911s?
USMC special forces units only.
Regular USMC won't get them, they will be getting the M-9A1 as a replacement to the M-9.

John Browning
08-22-2012, 6:53 PM
It is sad that a WWII era Remington Rand, Ithaca, Colt, and US&S can do 20k rounds with no spring changes and no preventive maintenance, and a brand new Colt can't even make 12k without destroying itself. The test was supposed to run 15k rounds, but since the Colts were destroying themselves they stopped at 12k. People personally involved in the tests have come out and said that the Colt was the worst performer in the bunch tested. Lucky for Colt, they have excellent lobbyists and DoD connections.

Our procurement system makes me sick.

Spiggy
08-22-2012, 9:42 PM
USMC special forces units only.
Regular USMC won't get them, they will be getting the M-9A1 as a replacement to the M-9.

I hope they get rid of the on-slide safety. That's a pain in the butt when you rack the slide and the safety activates.

Oceanbob
08-22-2012, 10:07 PM
Love the look of those Colts. Personally, I would prefer a G21 Gen4.

14 rounds and no cracks anywhere after 50,000 rounds. :D

Synergy
08-22-2012, 11:05 PM
Those stocks kind of look like the stocks/grips on the R1 Enhanced but lighter in color.

Actually they look exactly the same. Good looking grips.

I just bought 10-8 Black Desert Sand for my TRP.

http://www.10-8performance.com/product_images/u/231/Grip04-BDS-IMG_3146__57564_zoom.jpg

LexLuther
08-22-2012, 11:23 PM
I mean no sarcasm when I ask this, but who here as actually run 12,000 of .45 ACP through a 1911?

At my local practice ammo prices that's $4800 worth of rounds.Call it $5K with targets and range fees.

I have...during the summer I can shoot @600/ per month at my local gun club in uspsa matches, lots of guys shoot 1,000 per month easy. Cost is about $100-$120 per 1,000.

tuna quesadilla
08-23-2012, 12:57 AM
That looks nasty/bad

Now I'm not exactly a fan of 1911s.

And I'm far from being a gunsmith.

But I DO have some mechanical knowledge, and I submit this:

If a competent armorer had been looking over these 1911s and noticed the crack just starting to form, couldn't he have drilled a relief hole and then welded the crack? Thus rendering it a non-issue?

As I read it, this test was X amount of rounds without any maintenance.

InGrAM
08-23-2012, 1:51 AM
I just bought 10-8 Black Desert Sand for my TRP.

http://www.10-8performance.com/product_images/u/231/Grip04-BDS-IMG_3146__57564_zoom.jpg

Great looking grips. Thanks for the heads up, I might have to purchase a pair for myself. :D

CBlacksheep
08-23-2012, 2:19 AM
Lol that's why they wouldn't. Good luck hitting anything smaller than a barn door with those GI sights.

It's entirely possible that you're just a rusty marksman. ;)