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JackRydden224
08-20-2012, 12:40 AM
I saw a PWS T3 summit rifle at the gun show yesterday and boy I wanted one. Not that I have the money for it. Do you guys have any experience with those custom 10/22? I'm talking about the likes of

Tactical Solution's TS-22
PWS T3
VQ rifles
Magnum Research's Magnum Lite

Merc1138
08-20-2012, 12:59 AM
Something to keep in mind is that you can generally buy the receivers used in some of those rifles then do whatever else you want to it. Some of those receivers have parts that are interchangeable with the standard ruger parts, some are proprietary. The TS x-ring receiver(the one they use in the TS-22) has a proprietary bolt, guiderods(it has 2), and the charging handle is actually bolted into the bolt itself instead of the normal 10/22 style where they just fit together.

Pardon the crappy cellphone pic:

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj122/prisoner1138/resized_ts_10_22.jpg

That's a tactical solutions receiver and stock, with a barrel similar to theirs(Whistle Pig), and a VQ trigger group.

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj122/prisoner1138/resized_ts_10_22_barrel.jpg

edit: added a better shot of the front of the barrel

oddball
08-20-2012, 2:16 PM
Go to rimfirecentral.com and browse the Ultimate 10/22 threads. You'll see Kidd Innovations as the favorite company for high end 10/22s. They make really good rifles.

JackRydden224
08-20-2012, 8:42 PM
Something to keep in mind is that you can generally buy the receivers used in some of those rifles then do whatever else you want to it. Some of those receivers have parts that are interchangeable with the standard ruger parts, some are proprietary. The TS x-ring receiver(the one they use in the TS-22) has a proprietary bolt, guiderods(it has 2), and the charging handle is actually bolted into the bolt itself instead of the normal 10/22 style where they just fit together.

Pardon the crappy cellphone pic:


That's a tactical solutions receiver and stock, with a barrel similar to theirs(Whistle Pig), and a VQ trigger group.


edit: added a better shot of the front of the barrel

I have never seen any of those custom 10/22 receivers in a shop. I remember looking for a X-Ring but gave up because I wouldn't find one.


Go to rimfirecentral.com and browse the Ultimate 10/22 threads. You'll see Kidd Innovations as the favorite company for high end 10/22s. They make really good rifles.

I'm gonna have to stay away from Kidd. Their stuff is too good and too tempting!

Merc1138
08-20-2012, 8:49 PM
I have never seen any of those custom 10/22 receivers in a shop. I remember looking for a X-Ring but gave up because I wouldn't find one.




I'm gonna have to stay away from Kidd. Their stuff is too good and too tempting!

You typically have to order them. As expensive as custom receivers tend to be, it severely limits what a shop can put on the shelves and expect to sell. Throw in different colors, finishes, rails, and so on and now you've got something that a shop cannot possibly expect to actually keep in stock.

Also, having a shop order something for you isn't necessarily the same thing as say... an FFL transfer where they tack on an extra $50-$100+. Including tax and DROS I still wound up paying under MSRP for mine.

JackRydden224
08-21-2012, 3:15 PM
You typically have to order them. As expensive as custom receivers tend to be, it severely limits what a shop can put on the shelves and expect to sell. Throw in different colors, finishes, rails, and so on and now you've got something that a shop cannot possibly expect to actually keep in stock.

Also, having a shop order something for you isn't necessarily the same thing as say... an FFL transfer where they tack on an extra $50-$100+. Including tax and DROS I still wound up paying under MSRP for mine.

I can agree with that. It can't be easy to sell a custom 10/22 receiver at $450-$550 when a complete AR lower goes for less than that. You'd have to really want a super 10/22 to invest that much money on just a complete receiver.

I actually do have some PWS and TacSol dealers near me. I think I should stop by to ask what they can do with those receivers.

JackRydden224
08-22-2012, 2:37 PM
I was browsing those custom receivers and all of them have integrated picatinny rails. I want to see if I can attach some sort of rear irons on the receiver and if there is a custom barrel compatible with front irons.

sholling
08-22-2012, 5:06 PM
If you want iron sights you can build your own using a base model Ruger 10/22, a 920 barrel and Tech-Sights (http://www.tech-sights.com/ruger3.htm). Or a GM Barrel (http://www.gmriflebarrel.com/rugertargetbarrels/10-22920sporterdiameterbarrels/ruger-10-22-920-bull-barrels-page/18-stainless-fluted-920-w-fire-sights) with factory sights. I just don't think it's worth the investment in an after market receiver (http://www.shootersdiscount.com/cart/index.php?_a=category&cat_id=6&page=all) if you are doing much other than competition benchrest with a scope. These were all made from factory Rugers.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u197/damnfineguy/22s%20-%201024/IMG_0221a.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u197/damnfineguy/22s%20-%201024/IMG_0220a.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u197/damnfineguy/22s%20-%201024/IMG_0145a.jpg

Merc1138
08-22-2012, 5:30 PM
I was browsing those custom receivers and all of them have integrated picatinny rails. I want to see if I can attach some sort of rear irons on the receiver and if there is a custom barrel compatible with front irons.

Here's the thing. There is a difference between custom, and aftermarket. If you want something you can't just bolt on, get it done completely custom. It's not like it's impossible to dovetail some sights into a barrel or something. However, you're going to be paying even more for someone to do that. It's not impossible, just expensive.

JackRydden224
08-22-2012, 11:01 PM
If you want iron sights you can build your own using a base model Ruger 10/22, a 920 barrel and Tech-Sights (http://www.tech-sights.com/ruger3.htm). Or a GM Barrel (http://www.gmriflebarrel.com/rugertargetbarrels/10-22920sporterdiameterbarrels/ruger-10-22-920-bull-barrels-page/18-stainless-fluted-920-w-fire-sights) with factory sights. I just don't think it's worth the investment in an after market receiver (http://www.shootersdiscount.com/cart/index.php?_a=category&cat_id=6&page=all) if you are doing much other than competition benchrest with a scope. These were all made from factory Rugers.


[QUOTE=Merc1138;9183171]Here's the thing. There is a difference between custom, and aftermarket. If you want something you can't just bolt on, get it done completely custom. It's not like it's impossible to dovetail some sights into a barrel or something. However, you're going to be paying even more for someone to do that. It's not impossible, just expensive.

Good points. I guess I should tell you guys what I have in mind. I'm trying to do a M1 Carbine stock with a bit of a twist. Probably something like an Green Mountain S/S barrel with a stock S/S receiver so I can put tech sights on.

I'm not sure if aftermarket barrels would fit in that M1 carbine stock though.

donw
08-23-2012, 8:55 AM
generally speaking, if you want iron sights, you have to stick with the standard 10/22 barrel or have a gunsmith mount one on a custom barrel; not many aftermarket barrels are equipped with irons.

i like open sights, too, for bright days and close range. but beyond 50-70 yds...i gotta have telescopic sights...:(

donw
08-23-2012, 8:56 AM
generally speaking, if you want iron sights, you have to stick with the standard 10/22 barrel or have a gunsmith mount one on a custom barrel; not many aftermarket barrels are equipped with irons.

i like open sights, too, for bright days and close range. but beyond 50-70 yds...i gotta have telescopic sights...:(

Merc1138
08-23-2012, 9:16 AM
[QUOTE=sholling;9182993]If you want iron sights you can build your own using a base model Ruger 10/22, a 920 barrel and Tech-Sights (http://www.tech-sights.com/ruger3.htm). Or a GM Barrel (http://www.gmriflebarrel.com/rugertargetbarrels/10-22920sporterdiameterbarrels/ruger-10-22-920-bull-barrels-page/18-stainless-fluted-920-w-fire-sights) with factory sights. I just don't think it's worth the investment in an after market receiver (http://www.shootersdiscount.com/cart/index.php?_a=category&cat_id=6&page=all) if you are doing much other than competition benchrest with a scope. These were all made from factory Rugers.




Good points. I guess I should tell you guys what I have in mind. I'm trying to do a M1 Carbine stock with a bit of a twist. Probably something like an Green Mountain S/S barrel with a stock S/S receiver so I can put tech sights on.

I'm not sure if aftermarket barrels would fit in that M1 carbine stock though.

So use the TS157 adapter from the tech sights page(it's under the 10/22 section).

As far as whether or not something like the eabco m1 carbine stock could work with a .920 bull barrel, again just about anything can be done fully custom if you pay someone with the tools to do it.

sholling
08-23-2012, 9:47 AM
Good points. I guess I should tell you guys what I have in mind. I'm trying to do a M1 Carbine stock with a bit of a twist. Probably something like an Green Mountain S/S barrel with a stock S/S receiver so I can put tech sights on.

I'm not sure if aftermarket barrels would fit in that M1 carbine stock though.
What you could do is have a gunsmith cut a front sight dovetail into an aftermarket "sporter" style (factory profile) barrel like the one on this 10/22. Both GM and ER Shaw make sporter barrels which should fit the M1 style stock.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u197/damnfineguy/22s%20-%201024/IMG_0272a.jpg

JackRydden224
08-24-2012, 12:41 PM
So I gave it some thoughts....

For the 10/22 M1 I would probably just go stainless with some aftermarket parts. For it's intended pinking and training with iron sights purpose I can't justify an aftermarket receiver. Now I will eventually build a 10/22 with all the aftermarket parts for a 100 YD rifle :)