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M4A1
08-19-2012, 3:00 PM
I keep looking for an M9A1, I went to a local store that said they had it. It turned out to be a 92A1. The guy at the store told me that the box says
M9A1 and that the actual M9A1 is probably not on the roster. Can someone clear this up for me? Can I get an actual M9A1 in California or is the 92A1 the only option? Also, does the M9A1 have the "U.S." markings on it like the M9?

yzernie
08-19-2012, 3:10 PM
It is on the roster...

92FS Type M9A1 / Steel, Alloy Pistol 5" 9mm 12/14/2012

If you are close to me I have one in stock

2 1 available - Beretta M9A1, 9mm, Bruniton finish, M1913 rail, fixed sights, beveled mag well, 2-10rd mags, retail $700, my price $625

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/yzernie/BerettaM9.jpg

1000stars
08-19-2012, 4:32 PM
http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/

Leesan82
08-19-2012, 5:06 PM
It's the opposite, 92A1 is NOT on the roster, but M9A1 IS on the roster.

M4A1
08-19-2012, 6:28 PM
It's the opposite, 92A1 is NOT on the roster, but M9A1 IS on the roster.

Is this ture? Because I saw a 92A1 in the store. But not the M9A1.

M4A1
08-19-2012, 6:42 PM
It is on the roster...

92FS Type M9A1 / Steel, Alloy Pistol 5" 9mm 12/14/2012

If you are close to me I have one in stock

2 1 available - Beretta M9A1, 9mm, Bruniton finish, M1913 rail, fixed sights, beveled mag well, 2-10rd mags, retail $700, my price $625



Can you tell me what the markings say on the one you have in stock? Maybe im just confused here.
On the M9 it says "U.S. M9 Beretta" Does the A1 not say "U.S. M9A1 Beretta"? The only ones I have seen say 92A1.
This gun below is advertised as an M9A1, but to me this is just a 92A1 because of the markings:
http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/4482/92a1.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/805/92a1.jpg/)

TripleThreat
08-19-2012, 6:48 PM
I purchased a 92A1, which differs from the 92FS M9 about 2 weeks ago (have yet for it to make to the shop though). Here are all the models, one should familiarize with all the models prior to purchase.

*92FS
*92A1
*92FS Type M9
*92 M9 Commercial
*90-Two Type-F

I did lot's of research to make sure I got the exact model I wanted as there are differences. Here is the link to Berretta.
http://www.berettausa.com/shop-by-department/firearms/handguns/full-size/
http://www.berettausa.com/products/beretta-92-fs-made-in-usa/

I'll try to find a video put out my Berretta that I found helpful as well.
Great info on this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLMK-E5p8ZQ&feature=g-hist

M4A1
08-19-2012, 7:03 PM
I purchased a 92A1, which differs from the 92FS M9 about 2 weeks ago (have yet for it to make to the shop though). Here are all the models, one should familiarize with all the models prior to purchase.

*92FS
*92A1
*92FS Type M9
*92 M9 Commercial
*90-Tw Type-F

I did lot's of research to make sure I got the exact model I wanted as there are differences. Here is the link to Berretta.
http://www.berettausa.com/shop-by-department/firearms/handguns/full-size/
http://www.berettausa.com/products/beretta-92-fs-made-in-usa/

I'll try to find a video put out my Berretta that I found helpful as well.
Great info on this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLMK-E5p8ZQ&feature=g-hist

Isn't a 92A1 a civilian version of the M9A1? Is it not possible to get one that is marked M9A1?

itisagoodname
08-19-2012, 7:14 PM
My slide is marked 92fs but the frame is M9A1

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55403425/20120819_201312.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55403425/20120819_201335.jpg

TripleThreat
08-19-2012, 7:15 PM
If my information is correct (I'm not a expert with regards to the 92 series handguns) the A1 is there newer gun as of 2010 and some added features that I really wanted. The M9A1 is the M9 with "some" of the newer 2010 features, but lacking the 17 rounds magazines, the quick connect feature as well as a few other features, as I'm going off my memory.

Hope this helps,

1000stars
08-19-2012, 7:22 PM
hey yzernie, $625 is a great price. I think that is the best 92fs variant.

M4A1
08-19-2012, 7:28 PM
If my information is correct (I'm not a expert with regards to the 92 series handguns) the A1 is there newer gun as of 2010 and some added features that really wanted. The M9A1 is the M9 with "some" of the A1 features, but lacking the 17 rounds magazines and quick connect feature as well as a few other features, but I'm going off my memory.

Hope this helps,

Thanks, what is a quick connect feature?

M4A1
08-19-2012, 7:29 PM
My slide is marked 92fs but the frame is 92A1

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55403425/20120819_201312.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55403425/20120819_201335.jpg

Thanks for the pictures, that helps a lot.

yzernie
08-19-2012, 8:25 PM
These are the pics of the gun I have in stock. 15rd mags have been substituted with 10rd mags or I can do the 15rd mag rebuild kits...buyer's choice.


http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/yzernie/IMG_4006.jpg


http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/yzernie/IMG_4007.jpg


http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/yzernie/IMG_4012.jpg

xbimmers
08-19-2012, 8:29 PM
Do any of the new 92 pistols come with all steel parts? If so, which model and are they on the roster?

itisagoodname
08-19-2012, 8:33 PM
Thanks for the pictures, that helps a lot.

Just to be clear i mistyped, its 92fs on the slide and M9A1 on the receiver. I accidentally typed 92A1. Sorry for any confusion.

TripleThreat
08-19-2012, 9:06 PM
Thanks, what is a quick connect feature?

It actually their new "auto locking slide lever" which is shown in the link below and appears just after the 2:00 minute mark in the video link below. This feature is part of the 2010 upgrades which come standard on the newer 90-Two series guns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLMK-E5p8ZQ&feature=g-hist

Here is some information obtained from the website.


New for 2010, the Model 92A1 and 96A1 represent Beretta’s evolution of the world famous 92FS pistol.
Combining the best elements of the 92FS and the 90-Two,these pistols feature:
A. Higher capacity magazines: 17 rounds in 9mm. Completely interchangeable with other 92 family magazines. THREE magazines included per pistol.
B. Removable front sight: Allows the user to easily replace a damaged sight or replace it with an accessory sight.
C. Accessory rail: The frame of the A1’s have an integral MIL-STD-1913 rail for rapid attachment of tactical lights and laser aiming devices.
D. Internal recoil buffer: Increases service life by reducing stress on the receiver created by the more powerful .40 S&W caliber ammunition.
E. Captive recoil spring assembly: The single-piece design simplifies the assembly and disassembly process and minimizes the possibility of spring loss.**
F. Rounded trigger guard: Updated styling to conform with current pistol gripping practices.

hbroadie
08-19-2012, 9:17 PM
92A1 features that the DoJ said was too different from the previous version to grandfather it onto the roster:

1. Removable front sight
2. Accessory rail (although the M9A1 has this already)
3. Internal recoil buffer
4. Captive recoil spring assembly (Glock Gen 4, anyone)
5. Rounded trigger guard

The last feature is how I tell the difference between the M9A1 and the 92A1 without looking at the frame or the internals. The 92fs, M9, M9A1 all have the flat trigger guard.

http://www.berettausa.com/assets/item/gunlarge/92A15.jpg

Hope that helps.

TripleThreat
08-19-2012, 10:36 PM
^^^
The 92A1 also has a 17 round capacity vs a 15 round capacity of the M9 models.

M4A1
08-20-2012, 1:45 AM
I really hate that its says
"Warning: Read manual before use.
Retract slide to see if loaded, fires without magazine"
on the frame. Is that just for California guns? That's going to make me move to a different pistol. Those labels belong on toys, not real guns.

Leesan82
08-20-2012, 7:31 AM
Is this ture? Because I saw a 92A1 in the store. But not the M9A1.

Fairly certain.

92A1 is a newer design and didn't have all the CA required safty features to be on the roster as a new model. These are also enough design changes so it couldn't be considered as a variant of the old model per CA DOJ.

Ammo Bro's have them for sale as LE only.

yzernie
08-20-2012, 7:48 AM
I really hate that its says
"Warning: Read manual before use.
Retract slide to see if loaded, fires without magazine"
on the frame. Is that just for California guns? That's going to make me move to a different pistol. Those labels belong on toys, not real guns.
It is on all of the M9A1 pistols and more and more manufacturers are putting it on their guns. Eventually all will have that. I will add the warning label would not stop me from buying a gun I really want.

sneather
08-20-2012, 11:14 AM
I really hate that its says
"Warning: Read manual before use.
Retract slide to see if loaded, fires without magazine"
on the frame. Is that just for California guns? That's going to make me move to a different pistol. Those labels belong on toys, not real guns.

No. There are no "California guns". Those billboards are on almost all new Beretta pistols. Unfortunately. For that reason, there is a high-value placed on older, "vintage" Beretta models which don't have any of the legal garbage, have the straight dustcover, and all metal controls. Note, almost all new 92-models come with factory plastic triggers, mag releases and safety controls.

P.S. While Beretta could change something without notice, the Civilian M9 (not M9A1) does NOT have any legal billboard, and also has the straight dustcover.

dachan
08-20-2012, 8:22 PM
I keep looking for an M9A1, I went to a local store that said they had it. It turned out to be a 92A1. The guy at the store told me that the box says
M9A1 and that the actual M9A1 is probably not on the roster. Can someone clear this up for me? Can I get an actual M9A1 in California or is the 92A1 the only option? Also, does the M9A1 have the "U.S." markings on it like the M9?

Differences between M9A1 and 92A1:

M9A1 is rostered, 92A1 is not
M9A1 grip frame is checkered, 92A1 grip frame is serrated
M9A1 has standard buffer assembly, 92A1 has new buffer assembly developed for increased durability in pistols chambered in 40S&W (i.e., 96A1)
M9A1 has a more aggressive bevel in the magazine well
Large capacity models of the M9A1 come with two 15rnd PVD (sand resistant) magazines, large capacity models of the 92A1 come with three 17rnd magazines.
10rnd models of the M9A1 come with two 10rnd magazines, 10rnd models of the 92A1 come with three 10rnd magazines.


Beretta catalog numbers:
M9A1, 10rnd mags: J92M9A1
M9A1, 15rnd mags: J92M9A1M
92A1, 10rnd mags: J9A9F11
92A1, 17rnd mags: J9A9F10

TripleThreat
08-20-2012, 8:30 PM
^^^
Great info, thanks for that. I'm currently going back and fourth with my gun shop on which one I'm getting, when I get it, if it's on the list, so on and so on. I blame part of it on Berretta as there names are somewhat confusing.

It's seems like it is all going to work out, it's just taking longer than it should.

PS. Does anyone know of any Bay Area shops that stock off roster handguns for Leo's?

Just-in
08-20-2012, 8:31 PM
removable front sight is a nice touch. I have an M9A1 and didn't notice until I had it for a while that night sights weren't an option without some serious work.

shipwreck
08-21-2012, 3:49 AM
removable front sight is a nice touch. I have an M9A1 and didn't notice until I had it for a while that night sights weren't an option without some serious work.

Just send the slide off to Tooltech gunsight. With return shipping, it is $170. Not a big deal. I had two slides done last year. 2-3 week turnaround.

sneather
08-21-2012, 6:34 AM
Differences between M9A1 and 92A1:

M9A1 is rostered, 92A1 is not
M9A1 grip frame is checkered, 92A1 grip frame is serrated
M9A1 has standard buffer assembly, 92A1 has new buffer assembly developed for increased durability in pistols chambered in 40S&W (i.e., 96A1)
M9A1 has a more aggressive bevel in the magazine well
Large capacity models of the M9A1 come with two 15rnd PVD (sand resistant) magazines, large capacity models of the 92A1 come with three 17rnd magazines.
10rnd models of the M9A1 come with two 10rnd magazines, 10rnd models of the 92A1 come with three 10rnd magazines.


Beretta catalog numbers:
M9A1, 10rnd mags: J92M9A1
M9A1, 15rnd mags: J92M9A1M
92A1, 10rnd mags: J9A9F11
92A1, 17rnd mags: J9A9F10

The differences are greater than just these points. The entire slide and frame of the 92A1 are different than all the other 92-models. The slide is taller (perhaps, to accommodate the recoil system?) so the parts aren't universally interchangeable between the 92A1 and the 92FS/M9A1/M9.

TripleThreat
09-13-2012, 8:53 PM
Finally after waiting 31 days (my local shop messed up the original order) I've taken delivery of a Berretta 92A1.

Today I only had time to shoot 50 rounds through her, but at first blush this may be one of the best auto's I have ever shot. Ever.

The 92A1 is a phenomenal weapon. Accurate as anything else out there for under $1,500, easy to shoot and very unique looking. It's so good, I want to do a side-by-side comparison with a couple of other 9mm's, but for now I think this Berretta is going to be hard to beat. For decades I have basically disliked the 92 Series gun. I thought it was an ugly duckling and more of a basic "Army" gun which may be true for the 92FS (I don't know as I've never shot one prior). The 92A1 is better than most auto's I've owned or ever shot.

I'm completely impressed with this handgun, I believe that the 92A1 may even surpass the SP-01.

Stay turned for comparison!

Triple