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courage1
08-16-2012, 2:20 AM
alright i am thinking about getting another handgun. i havent shot either caliber but i've heard good thing's about both .40S&W and .45ACP what would you recommend for target/self defence. and springfield XD. Glock. M&P advantages/disadvantages of them? thanks .

jeffrice6
08-16-2012, 2:23 AM
Shoot both before purchase! That said .45

Oceanbob
08-16-2012, 3:41 AM
Welcome to Cal Guns..! Lots of good people here.


You say you have never shot either caliber..?...Then I would recommend you visit a gun range and shoot both calibers and the platforms you have listed.

No use spending money on a handgun without knowing.

I have both calibers in various platforms. I shoot GLOCK in .45, the Glock 21SF is my choice for target, plinking and home defense. It is a full size weapon that is a pleasure to shoot.

If I feel like shooting .40, I run two Glocks. A Glock 22 (which is the same frame as a Glock 17 in 9MM)...a popular model for Police Departments...and I run a Glock 35, which is a competition platform for gun games. Both are fun to shoot and are excellent for self defense (night stand guns)

Realize that eventually you will have both in your collection. That's the rule...
:D

Good luck

Paperchasin
08-16-2012, 4:26 AM
I'd go with .45ACP, if you can afford to shoot it over the long run...

davbog44
08-16-2012, 4:44 AM
There will be peace in the Middle East before the caliber wars are settled. Having pistols in .45ACP, .40S&W, 357SIG, 9MM and even .380, I try to remain neutral on the issue, like Switzerland. Either that or I'm just a caliber whore who never met a gun (or ammo) he didn't like.:)

In all seriousness, with regard to the pistols you mention, they are all pretty much equal in terms of quality, accuracy and reliability, so pick the one that feels right to you.

I carry both a .45 caliber SIG P220 and an HK P2000 SK in .40S&W. I never feel poorly armed with the little HK.

I think you may want to spend some time trying both calibers to see how they feel and seem to you. There are those who claim that .40 (in a lighter, polymer frame pistol)is a little too snappy for them, but I've never personally found that to be the case.

It's all good, IMO, and okay between these choices to let a little of your own subjective preferences in on the decision.

sd_shooter
08-16-2012, 4:48 AM
In before all the .40 haters chime in and call it 'snappy'....

For target? 40 because it's cheaper, easier to find.

For SD? Either, both just as good if you can hit, both just as bad if you don't.

Gothboy
08-16-2012, 5:05 AM
I'm a long time runner of the good ol 1911 .45 platform. Love it to death too. I recently rented a m&p .40 (100 rounds or so) like the OP is talking about and found that it did have just a bit more snap, (obviously it would being polymer compared to a steel 1911) but not anything even remotely scary. I then rented a xd .45. I found that it had even more snap than either pistol, as it would being polymer too. All are good platforms, and I would reccommend them both for range or home defense. The .45 IS a little pricier to shoot, but thats ok by me, as I have chosen to accept that.

Bottom line, like others have said, go to the range and rent various platforms in either caliber and shoot til your hand hurts. :) Only then will you have an idea of what you prefer.

As for me, Im sticking with my 1911 in .45 and getting a m&p in .40. -GothY-

Bunsen
08-16-2012, 5:17 AM
I will leave the caliber war alone. Since most people are not commenting on the type of gun. It is better to try out the guns as well. I personally like the Springfield XD the most out of all the guns out mentioned. Glock is a great gun but the back strap angle on them is a little steep for my pleasure and I never could get used to the trigger on the M&P even with upgrades. Picking the caliber is important but so is the same due diligence for the gun.

MA2
08-16-2012, 6:24 AM
Advantage .40sw, conversion to 9mm is pretty simple/easy. Cheaper ammo (non re-loaders).

+1 on the .45acp@1911 and the .40sw@polymer is a good combo :)

theneko
08-16-2012, 6:30 AM
I am staying out of this one!






(P.S. .45 ACP of course! :43:)

skosh69
08-16-2012, 6:33 AM
I am staying out of this one!






(P.S. .45 ACP of course! :43:)

I'll follow your lead...hehehehe

rogervzv
08-16-2012, 6:38 AM
I have 3 1911 45s which are my favorite handguns ever. So it is hard not to recommend .45 cal.

On the other hand, just got a Ruger SR40c. Shooting S&W .40 I was shocked at how well the gun handled and how accurate the pistol was.

Based solely on my experience either caliber is fine. Try out different pistols and make your choice based on that. Many ranges will allow you to rent different pistols so that you can make your choice based on better information than internet chatter like this.

Rorge Retson
08-16-2012, 7:24 AM
There will be peace in the Middle East before the caliber wars are settled. Having pistols in .45ACP, .40S&W, 357SIG...

A little OT....getting my XD-40 back this week with a .357 Sig barrel....where do you get your ammo??

davbog44
08-16-2012, 7:41 AM
A little OT....getting my XD-40 back this week with a .357 Sig barrel....where do you get your ammo??

A couple of years ago, Ammo2go had a bunch of 357SIG that failed some batch test by being -10 fps under rating. It was really cheap, so I bought a few thousand rounds.

Other than that, I just watch my two or three ammo sights on line and when I find anything resembling a deal, I pounce. I also have .40S&W barrels for a few of my 357SIG pistols, so sometimes shoot them like that at the range.

Evil Quint
08-16-2012, 7:57 AM
I have several guns in both 40 and 45. I have no problem recommending either one. I never have a problem finding ammo for either but 40 is a little cheaper. People will argue ballistics all day long but both can "dead" somebody in one shot if you hit them. Most manufacturers have models in both calibers. For the most part the recoil difference between my Glock in 40 & 45 isn't a big deal. The 40 is less and some say more snappy but to me its hardly a noticeable difference.

I love Glocks, 1911s, Sigs, XDs,.. Guns. As mentioned by another calgunner, accept that your going to end up with both. The question is not which one to get, its which one to get first.

Haplo
08-16-2012, 8:03 AM
It depends on what you want. Some .40 handguns are easily converted to 9mm and 10mm. In some competitive arenas .40 is preferred because of power factors and scoring systems. Also, more .40 rounds will fit in the same size magazine than .45. That said, I've never owned a .40 but I'm considering one for USPSA limited.
You can't go wrong with either caliber.

Haplo
08-16-2012, 8:03 AM
Double tap

JaeOne3345
08-16-2012, 8:04 AM
Not this **** again...

Instead of asking on the internet, go shoot, test all variables, and make an informed decision for yourself.

WoodenGun
08-16-2012, 8:09 AM
Speed kills

polo.45
08-16-2012, 8:10 AM
Get .45!

Lumpia is sarap!
08-16-2012, 8:14 AM
Every AMERICAN must own a .45ACP!!!

redcliff
08-16-2012, 8:22 AM
Nothing against 40s&w but..
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll137/ranjaz/firearms/ATT00180.jpg

Yerman
08-16-2012, 8:34 AM
I'll post it :)

GBdYBc0BLgQ

corcoraj2002
08-16-2012, 8:37 AM
Go test. I have a .40 XD as my HD gun, as it dose not have a manual safety, so it is less things to worry about if a high stress situation.I went with the .40 as I did not know as much as I know now and I got a smoking deal on it and I am very accurate with it now.

With todays ammo and the technology behind it, 9mm v .40 v .45 is kinda dead. use a good JHP round in any of these calibers and the BG aint going to be giving you much grief.

Go shoot a 1911, M&P, Sig, XD and glock at you local range and pick the most comfortable one that you can accurately shoot.

TATER313
08-16-2012, 8:42 AM
Both, try different guns see what you like, I have the glock 21(45),g27(40), G35(40), all three shoot great easy to work on. My favorite is the G35 very accurate. MP's, XD's, CZ, Glocks, SIG's I have shot all in 9mm and 40 and are great guns as well. Rent or shoot friends who have guns in those calibers find what suits you the best.

ZX-10R
08-16-2012, 8:46 AM
45 because...In between rounds are for what? Just like I go 7.62x39 over 5.56.

Legasat
08-16-2012, 9:04 AM
I prefer .45, and M&P works best for me.

The Right to Bear Arms
08-16-2012, 9:11 AM
I am considering the G23. I personally like the snappiness of the recoil. It's a fun shooter. There is no other criteria for me.

IrishPirate
08-16-2012, 9:17 AM
Go with the gun that fits your hand, and let's you put the lead on target. Whatever caliber that gun is, go with that one. Don't get caught up in the debate about stopping power...shot placement is all that really matters.

The Right to Bear Arms
08-16-2012, 9:17 AM
45 because...In between rounds are for what? Just like I go 7.62x39 over 5.56.

Interesting ZX-10, however... I would make the Glock analogous to the AK and the 1911 analogous to the AR.

Me? 7.62x39 and 40S&W. Ultimately, it's what the OP / shooter likes the best and shoots the best. I like 40SW using a G23. It would feel differently with anything else.

To conclude, it's wise to be familiar with all the calibers and their mainstream platforms but always know yourself and what you do best.

RBA

ps. I have only praise for all the calibers, platforms, and shooters who know how to leverage what they own to get the maximum benefit.

hermosabeach
08-16-2012, 9:24 AM
So the queation is:
9mm
Or
10mm
Or
11mm

Pistols suck for putting things down

But pistols are easy to carry and to have with you

The serious instructors teach to shoot targets 2-5 times

Shoot until the threat is no longer a threat

Some of the former Gunsite instructors have published articles on why they are switching to 9mm after years of shooting the .45 ACP

Everything is a trade off
Capacity vs grip size
9mm vs 10mm (.40) vs 11.43mm (.45)
They all have similar levels of energy 350-450 ft pounds
They all have good hollow points
They all have about a 7% fatality rate when shot in an urban enviroment
(FBI stats) as we have fairly quick EMS response times

Some people shoot one better than the other.

What is better?
Accuracy- speed to get 2-3 rounds on a paper target in the A zone

A good friend shoots his sig 226 a lot better than his sig220
He makes head shots on paper with 9mm but flinches with the .45

He has switched to shooting 9mm

If he missed with the .45 under the stress of a shot timer on a skills trst, then how would he do under real stress

While many can learn to shoot the .44 mag and not flinch, it takes more time and training

Add in the stress of your dynamic movement and that of a moving adversary, do you want to make your 10+1 shots center of mass hits, misses or......

If you live out of CA, then you also have the trade off of 18 rounds (17+1)for a glock 9mm mag or 14 rounds for .45 or 8 for the 1911

My advice is to shoot several at the range
Different types of guns in differet calibers

You can also rent a gun for a pistol class to see how it works for you in a formal setting over the range setting

hermosabeach
08-16-2012, 9:32 AM
To get back to your original question
Glocks are great
XDs are great and share the same grip angle as the 1911

Both will last a very very very long time

For me, the XD in .45 fits better in my hand. The glock in 45, even in the SF- slim frame model is just not as comfortable. I do shoot the glock 20/21 well

In the 15,000 or so rounds through my glocks, I have had no issues

TacOpsPanda
08-16-2012, 9:33 AM
If cost is a major factor, I would stay with the .40 as .45 is usually a little more expensive.
If recoil is a factor,mstick with a heavier gun with the .40.

I'm not a fan of the Glock angle as noted, but I could get used to it.
I've had a couple M&Ps and liked them a lot. You might look into the shield (although that's only chambered in 9 & 40 if I remember right)
XDs are cool. I've owned a couple with zero complaints.
My current fix are 1911. I own one or two ;)

To each his own, that's just my .02

jessegpresley
08-16-2012, 9:37 AM
Shoot both, make your own decision.

fullrearview
08-16-2012, 9:49 AM
All good guns, and BOTH are great calibers. This thread wont help your decision at all. Sorry.

Having said that, get something in both.

Lead Waster
08-16-2012, 10:05 AM
The reason I have a .40 (Glock 23) is because when I'd collect my 9mm and .45 brass at the indoor range, I always ended up with a bunch of .40 cases (so similar to 9mm from a distance). So rather than cursing it for getting mixed in with my 9mm brass, I bought a gun that can shoot .40.

robert101
08-16-2012, 10:13 AM
I have both. For target and self defense in one gun I say go 45 automatic in something like the XD or Loaded version.

teflondog
08-16-2012, 10:45 AM
Rent them and shoot them. Then decide.

SMOKEYMOUNTAIN
08-16-2012, 2:16 PM
.40 S&W. Cheaper than .45 and a perfect blend between high velocity and stopping power.

courage1
08-16-2012, 3:29 PM
wasn't trying to start a war I just dont live close to a gun range to test any of the ones I listed. And I will NOT be converting to 9m. Thanks for all the info.

dem0critus
08-16-2012, 3:30 PM
.40 snappy? psh. they're both good calibers, nothing wrong with either. .45 has the 'Merican factor.

jessegpresley
08-16-2012, 3:34 PM
40s&w sucks. It took owning 3 of them before it dawned on me. 9mm, .357 and .45 are the rounds from God.

courage1
08-16-2012, 4:31 PM
40s&w sucks. It took owning 3 of them before it dawned on me. 9mm, .357 and .45 are the rounds from God.

i like 357. dont know for sure but im thinking im gonna get a .45. i will never buy a 9mm

ChaneRZ
08-16-2012, 4:46 PM
Got rid of my 9. I own 40sw and 45 now.

paul0660
08-16-2012, 4:53 PM
No one will give you grief about shooting .45. Most will shrug shoulders at .40.

The more I think about it, capacity matters more.

paul0660
08-16-2012, 4:54 PM
Got rid of my 9. I own 40sw and 45 now.

I think this is good advice.

For someone who has not and never will carry.

Capacity. Look it up.

courage1
08-16-2012, 5:17 PM
what does capacity matter in a 10 round state?

ChaneRZ
08-16-2012, 5:18 PM
If I would carry I'd carry a 1911 45. Act like you can carry high cap magazine. Look it up.

scglock
08-16-2012, 5:21 PM
another one of these threads... everyone has a different opinion on this. You need to decide for yourself

paul0660
08-16-2012, 5:27 PM
If I would carry I'd carry a 1911 45. Act like you can carry high cap magazine. Look it up.

Pretty sure you can.

ChaneRZ
08-16-2012, 5:30 PM
Pre ban look it up

Oceanbob
08-16-2012, 5:37 PM
what does capacity matter in a 10 round state?

For those of us that owned normal capacity magazines (now called High Capacity) before the BAN in 2000, it does matter.

What matters is I can carry my GLOCKS (for instance) or HKs..etc...with my high capacity magazines without worry.

I can run 15 rounds in my GLOCK 19, GLOCK 20, GLOCK 22 and GLOCK 35s all day, anyday.

I can run 13 rounds in my GLOCK 23 and GLOCK 21s. I can shoot my 32 round 9MM magazines in my GLOCK 17, GLOCK 26 and GLOCK 34. Also my 17 round Mags will run as well.

Owning preban magazines has major advantages.

BajaJames83
08-16-2012, 5:41 PM
Shoot the ones you like, them make your decision.
The M&P series is really nice and that's where my vote would go.

REDdawn6
08-16-2012, 5:43 PM
Dosent matter what caliber you choose , as long as it starts with 40 and ends with 5 ! :)

USMC 82-86
08-18-2012, 10:56 AM
Both are a very good round. Both will get the job done. The recoil is about the same, I find the .45 is more of a push, while the .40 in some guns has more of a flip. This may just be my perception but as I stated the recoil is about the same. The cost of the .40 is a little less if you are using factory loads. I see a lot of folks reload especially if they are shooting for competition. You can save a lot of money after the initial investment in equipment, I am considering getting into reloading myself. I just checked my recent online orders, and I spent almost $700 dollars on ammo in the last 3 months. This does not including trips to walmart while waiting on a order to arrive. I could have bought a good starter setup for reloading with that money.

Rorge Retson
08-18-2012, 1:27 PM
Both are a very good round. Both will get the job done. The recoil is about the same, I find the .45 is more of a push, while the .40 in some guns has more of a flip. This may just be my perception but as I stated the recoil is about the same. The cost of the .40 is a little less if you are using factory loads. I see a lot of folks reload especially if they are shooting for competition. You can save a lot of money after the initial investment in equipment, I am considering getting into reloading myself. I just checked my recent online orders, and I spent almost $700 dollars on ammo in the last 3 months. This does not including trips to walmart while waiting on a order to arrive. I could have bought a good starter setup for reloading with that money.

I don't want to add up how much I've spent over the same time frame, probably the same or greater....so I am in the same boat as you, getting interested in reloading.

BTW, I was one of your taxi drivers 82-88. ;)

Grumpyoldretiredcop
08-18-2012, 1:32 PM
Speaking as a longtime shooter of both calibers, I would characterize the .40 recoil as more "snappy" than the .45 ACP. That said, both are effective rounds, and if trying to select between the two, I might give more consideration to the platform rather than the ammunition. It might be well to rent, borrow or otherwise try a number of pistols in both calibers to see what fits you best.

INFAMOUS762X39
08-18-2012, 1:39 PM
Colt .45 and Two Zig Zags...

JMP
08-18-2012, 2:26 PM
I don't even want to read through the thread pollution that is no doubt already pervasive. The .40 is a compromise between a 9mm and a 45. If you were going to own one gun, I'd seriously think about .40. Otherwise, it is superflous because owning .45's and 9mm's are obligatory.

t0kie
08-18-2012, 2:31 PM
Try both then decide.

For me: .45 ACP

Rorge Retson
08-18-2012, 2:58 PM
If you were going to own one gun, I'd seriously think about .40. Otherwise, it is superflous because owning .45's and 9mm's are obligatory.

What he said. I have all three.... plus a Browning Buckmark.

Mossy Man
08-18-2012, 3:40 PM
"another" pistol?

what do you currently own?

USMC 82-86
08-18-2012, 3:53 PM
I don't want to add up how much I've spent over the same time frame, probably the same or greater....so I am in the same boat as you, getting interested in reloading.

BTW, I was one of your taxi drivers 82-88. ;)

Semper Fi Thanks for your service!

1000stars
08-18-2012, 4:16 PM
Either gun you buy, you will end up buying the other one later (gun is an illness that only death can cure). Buy a gun start shooting while you are waiting 30 days to buy the other.

Gun_Owner_901
08-18-2012, 4:42 PM
I have a Glock 22, I really enjoy the .40 S&W, but I have also shot the .45 ACP, and I am just now considering picking up a 1911 which will be my first .45 that I have owned, IMO it all depends on what you want to use the firearm for, there both good, IMO anyway.

BigRobb
08-18-2012, 5:05 PM
I shoot .40 more accurately than .45. So for me .40. Just had more trigger time on .40 between the two. To me, use what you are best with. For me it's 40 even with the "snappiness"

Both are great SD rounds, neither are bad.

That being said, my next purchase after I finish messing with my new AR will be a 1911 .45 (first 1911 I'd own) Then it will go from "what's best 40 or 45" to "what is a better 1911." Good options, but comes down to personal preference

Sunday
08-18-2012, 6:15 PM
Having 38 special, 9MM, 40 S@W and 45 acp If I were to do it over I would get a bunch of like 9mm. The recoil on a 40 S@W and a 45acp from service XD is about the same but the recoil pulse with the 40 is a snap and the 45 is a push. That is when I learned the term snappy. Usually S@W 40 is priced quite a bit lower than 45acp especially shopping contract overruns.

FullMetalJacket
08-18-2012, 8:38 PM
If I lived somewhere I could have standard magazine capacities, I'd probably choose the .40. I'd rather trade a small amount of stopping power for a significant increase (often 2-3 shots per magazine) of firepower.

But since I'm limited to 10 shots no matter what, make mine a .45.

maitime
09-25-2012, 11:27 PM
alright i am thinking about getting another handgun. i havent shot either caliber but i've heard good thing's about both .40S&W and .45ACP what would you recommend for target/self defence. and springfield XD. Glock. M&P advantages/disadvantages of them? thanks .

since itll be a new gun in CA, youll have a 10 round limit either way, so go for more power.

BHPFan
09-26-2012, 10:50 AM
alright i am thinking about getting another handgun. i havent shot either caliber but i've heard good thing's about both .40S&W and .45ACP what would you recommend for target/self defence. and springfield XD. Glock. M&P advantages/disadvantages of them? thanks .

Personally, I prefer the .45ACP

If you have small-to-medium sized hands, then the .40S&W.