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dre147
08-15-2012, 1:53 PM
What ammo do you guys use for .357 HD?

I have a .357 5.5 inch barrel and at the moment I have .38 +P 110gr critical defense in there, I also have Blazer 158gr .357 JHP, But since I live in apartment complex I figured the .38 +P would be better seeing as its less gr less likely to over penetrate and hit a neighbor. What do you guys think?

Legasat
08-15-2012, 1:58 PM
I use .357 158gr HP in a 4" barrel.

dre147
08-15-2012, 2:03 PM
I use .357 158gr HP in a 4" barrel.

Thanks what make? and would you say that .357 HP will over penetrate much more than .38 +P 110 gr FTX critical defense

Kodemonkey
08-15-2012, 2:09 PM
Thanks what make? and would you say that .357 HP will over penetrate much more than .38 +P 110 gr critical defense

With the size of today'e people, I don't worry too much about over penetration. I use Hornady 125gr FTX.

billped
08-15-2012, 2:16 PM
With the size of today'e people, I don't worry too much about over penetration. I use Hornady 125gr FTX.

OK, that was funny.

BTW, I used 38spc, not because I worry about overpenetration, but I feel like I am more likely to not flinch and can get back on target faster. My eyes/ears will also thank me.

dre147
08-15-2012, 2:20 PM
With the size of today'e people, I don't worry too much about over penetration. I use Hornady 125gr FTX.

true :laugh:

get back on target faster. My eyes/ears will also thank me.
I agree 100% also 2 more reasons I have .38+P in there now.

Whats the ft. pounds of force difference on .357 158gr compared to 110gr .38+P

P5Ret
08-15-2012, 2:30 PM
It wouldn't be over penetration on a threat that I am worried about, but that miss that goes through the walls. There are probably tons of youtube videos on the subject, that may give you a pretty good idea of what your round choice will do.

dre147
08-15-2012, 2:34 PM
It wouldn't be over penetration on a threat that I am worried about, but that miss that goes through the walls. There are probably tons of youtube videos on the subject, that may give you a pretty good idea of what your round choice will do.

Ya good point, Any links? Ill try searching now, I have been watching videos on expansion differences so far.

Kodemonkey
08-15-2012, 2:45 PM
OK, that was funny.

BTW, I used 38spc, not because I worry about overpenetration, but I feel like I am more likely to not flinch and can get back on target faster. My eyes/ears will also thank me.

Actually, I was only trying to be half funny. When the 357 mag round was designed people were a lot smaller and thinner. It was 1930s tech and was designed for smaller people. It get's better penetration than most other common rounds - and honestly I'm not worried too much that it is going to travel out the back of the bad guy and hit the baby carriage in the neighbor's house.

That said, P5ret does have a point. It's not going to break up in the walls as easy as a 9mm. It will break up eventually, it's just going to probably get farther.

That's kind of the problem. You try to prepare for everything and it is possible you don't need that kind of penetration. Then again you might. If given the opportunity, I will go with more power. In my 4" I can get back on target pretty quick. Not as fast as a 38, but with a revolver I feel like you got to make every shot count because I probably am not going to get the opportunity for a reload.

Personal choices when it comes down to it. Some people say you'll have hearing loss with the 357 in a house. They are probably right. But if I have to shoot someone in my house it really is on the bottom of the list of things I am worried about. Stopping the threat is #1.

Kodemonkey
08-15-2012, 2:49 PM
Ya good point, Any links? Ill try searching now, I have been watching videos on expansion differences so far.


Here are some ballistics gel tests. notice the velocities

38 special short barrel +P

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357 magnum... went through the block

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Take what you want from them, but if you run them at the same time you can see the difference in the energy. I wouldn't want to be shot with either. But I would like being shot with the 357 a lot less

teflondog
08-15-2012, 2:50 PM
I like 125gr Golden Saber JHP. Recoil is very controllable out of my 4" GP100.

Another round I like is Federal semi-jacketed 158gr +P in .38 special.

Arson
08-15-2012, 3:02 PM
You live in an apartment, The neighbors can easily be replaced.

dre147
08-15-2012, 3:04 PM
Nice vids. the .357 definitely blows away the .38 in power...so I would think it would penetrate much more walls maybe a .38 would go through 2 apartment walls, and .357 maybe 3-4?

dre147
08-15-2012, 3:05 PM
You live in an apartment, The neighbors can easily be replaced.

LOL ya I wish they would be replaced already. But I dont want to be the one to hit one and go to prison over it...

Kodemonkey
08-15-2012, 3:10 PM
Nice vids. the .357 definitely blows away the .38 in power...so I would think it would penetrate much more walls maybe a .38 would go through 2 apartment walls, and .357 maybe 3-4?

If you are really concerned about it going through the walls you could go with a frangible. I originally did that, but after combing over it there just isn't nearly enough real world shooting data on frangibles for me to trust my life on it.

Just don't miss and your neighbors will be fine ;)

Honestly, if it is a hollowpoint it will start to lose energy through barriers.

Kodemonkey
08-15-2012, 3:12 PM
LOL ya I wish they would be replaced already. But I dont want to be the one to hit one and go to prison over it...

If you are defending yourself in this state there is very little chance of you going to prison if it is a home invasion and you aren't shooting them while they run away.

Being sued on the other hand...

77bawls
08-15-2012, 3:23 PM
Should be pretty easy to setup some drywall to see how many layers a 357 will penetrate.

dre147
08-15-2012, 3:37 PM
If you are really concerned about it going through the walls you could go with a frangible. I originally did that, but after combing over it there just isn't nearly enough real world shooting data on frangibles for me to trust my life on it.

Just don't miss and your neighbors will be fine ;)

Honestly, if it is a hollowpoint it will start to lose energy through barriers.

Thanks, I think while im in a apartment ill keep it loaded with .38+P once I move out to a house ill probably get some .357s in it. I kind of like the frangible idea but like you said not enough real world proof of what they can do
If you are defending yourself in this state there is very little chance of you going to prison if it is a home invasion and you aren't shooting them while they run away.

Being sued on the other hand...

I meant missing the BG and hitting a neighbor watching tv in another apartment. Dont think you can get off easy on that, dont know much LAW though...

Californio
08-15-2012, 3:57 PM
I you value your Hearing, never fire a Magnum indoors without ear protection.

Cactus_Tim
08-15-2012, 4:02 PM
Cor Bon 38 special +P 125gr JHP
950fps 251ft/lbs energy

Chuck Hawks: Cor-Bon offers two high velocity loads for .38 +P snub-nosed revolvers. These use a 110 JHP at 1050 fps / 269 ft. lbs. and a 125 grain JHP at 950 fps / 251 ft. lbs. For apartment dwellers and others concerned with over penetration in densely populated areas, Cor-Bon / Glaser offers a Glaser Blue +P load with a pre-fragmented 80 grain bullet at 1250 fps and 278 ft. lbs. from a 4" barrel.

Chuck Hawks: Most Versatile Handgun: The .38 Special, .38 Special +P and .357 Magnum Revolver (http://www.chuckhawks.com/most_versatile_handgun.htm)

dre147
08-15-2012, 4:10 PM
Cor Bon 38 special +P 125gr JHP
950fps 251ft/lbs energy



Chuck Hawks: Most Versatile Handgun: The .38 Special, .38 Special +P and .357 Magnum Revolver (http://www.chuckhawks.com/most_versatile_handgun.htm)

Good Info thanks man.