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bcj128
08-13-2012, 11:12 AM
Just saw this. Glad our state hasn't been totally forgotten by the gun manufacturers...

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_812066_-1_780153_757781_757781_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

Jpcm
08-13-2012, 11:41 AM
Some may rejoice.. Some may cringe at that lci..

Mossy Man
08-13-2012, 12:28 PM
I have an SR40c.....you get used to the LCI

TheBest
08-13-2012, 1:32 PM
I don't understand why there's a huge LCI on the Shield. Why couldn't they just use the same LCI like the other M&P's? A hole to the chamber to visually look.

KandyRedCoi
08-13-2012, 1:50 PM
^not good enough for the CA DOJ

this thing slides right inbetween the LC9 and the G26

kf6tac
08-13-2012, 1:52 PM
I don't understand why there's a huge LCI on the Shield. Why couldn't they just use the same LCI like the other M&P's? A hole to the chamber to visually look.

Sometime after the other M&Ps got on the roster, CA DOJ tightened up their requirements for what qualifies for the LCI. Now we're stuck with that awful rooster comb.

Casket
08-13-2012, 2:03 PM
Don't worry, it says it's Tactical.

KandyRedCoi
08-13-2012, 2:50 PM
^LMAO

MisplacedTexan
08-13-2012, 4:23 PM
Some may rejoice.. Some may cringe at that lci..

+ 1

Bug Splat
08-13-2012, 4:30 PM
Meh, I fear no LCI. They are easy enough to remove and replaced with a shim.

SilverTauron
08-13-2012, 4:40 PM
Devious men, those people at the CA DOJ. By changing the LCI rules, not only do they disqualify more guns for sale in CA but the regulators ruin the guns' appearance, reducing sales and thus the number of guns sold in the state.

Legasat
08-13-2012, 5:03 PM
Count me in the rejoice column. S&W told me several weeks ago it will be October before they can start shipping the CA version 9mm in any significant numbers. We may see a few trickle in between now and then.

I got to handle one a few weeks ago, and that was all it took. I am on several lists at LGS around the area.

viet4lifeOC
08-13-2012, 8:09 PM
Just saw this. Glad our state hasn't been totally forgotten by the gun manufacturers...

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_812066_-1_780153_757781_757781_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

No where in the link does it say it'll ship sooner than the current ETA of October.

Did I miss something?

nickel plate
09-03-2012, 6:38 PM
As of a few minutes ago according to the S&W website, the CA 9mm Shield is now bumped out to November, 2012.

Tjfearl
09-03-2012, 6:54 PM
wow I will be buying mine in Alabama. That thing is horrendous.

missiondude
09-03-2012, 6:59 PM
That LCI looks like dog wood...

californa
09-03-2012, 7:04 PM
I don't think it's that bad as long as it works I'll have it concealed 90% of the time. It fit the summer time roll in my arsenal. G19 in winter and shield in summer.

skosh69
09-03-2012, 8:23 PM
Just saw this. Glad our state hasn't been totally forgotten by the gun manufacturers...

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_812066_-1_780153_757781_757781_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

Sorry to say, it's already hear and a few of us have them already...nuk nuk nuk.

Best part....our's don't have that silly "rooster comb" LCI!

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/skosh1/IMG_0625.jpg

kouye
09-03-2012, 9:00 PM
Don't complain...it's still better than what Sig did...

jonathanvictory
09-03-2012, 9:07 PM
*Chuckle*

"Loaded when up"

:rofl:

Mr. Magoo
09-03-2012, 9:12 PM
Whats the deal with this LCI and the roster....link me. Will all newly certified pistols have this crap?

skosh69
09-03-2012, 9:14 PM
Whats the deal with this LCI and the roster....link me. Will all newly certified pistols have this crap?

Here ya go....

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_812066_-1_780153_757781_757781_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

ElDub1950
09-03-2012, 9:17 PM
As of a few minutes ago according to the S&W website, the CA 9mm Shield is now bumped out to November, 2012.


Yes, just 2 days ago their web page said October. Today, November.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_812066_-1_780153_757781_757781_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

Knomad
09-03-2012, 9:18 PM
Not in a big hurry, but I will be picking one of these up sometime over the winter. The reviews have been good, it sounds like S&W has a winner... even the trigger is allegedly better than on the rest of the M&P line.

Mr. Magoo
09-03-2012, 9:18 PM
Here ya go....

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_812066_-1_780153_757781_757781_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

I see the LCI on the pistol, but do you have a link to a thread discussing why this is required now? Or have I just been missing this on mine? :o

skosh69
09-03-2012, 9:22 PM
I see the LCI on the pistol, but do you have a link to a thread discussing why this is required now? Or have I just been missing this on mine? :o

My bad...sorry about that! I have no idea, glad to hear your's doesn't have it either.

Seems, that you, myself and others that have been fortunate enough to find and buy Shields, have either gotten Shields that our LGS's have SSE'd or somehow gotten and sold Shields that are not Ca compliant. Has been a brouha going on about this in another thread. I have no idea and glad mine doesn't have a "rooster comb"!

ElDub1950
09-03-2012, 9:31 PM
Not in a big hurry, but I will be picking one of these up sometime over the winter. The reviews have been good, it sounds like S&W has a winner... even the trigger is allegedly better than on the rest of the M&P line.

Yes, have seen reports that S&W will use the Shield trigger on future M&Ps. I'm actually more interested in waiting for that, although I'd like to be able to handle and check out a Shield's grip.

Wallabing
09-03-2012, 9:33 PM
It's perfectly ok, after purchasing the gun, to replace the entire slide + LCI and barrel with a normal one, right?

Mr. Magoo
09-03-2012, 9:36 PM
My bad...sorry about that! I have no idea, glad to hear your's doesn't have it either.

Seems, that you, myself and others that have been fortunate enough to find and buy Shields, have either gotten Shields that our LGS's have SSE'd or somehow gotten and sold Shields that are not Ca compliant. Has been a brouha going on about this in another thread. I have no idea and glad mine doesn't have a "rooster comb"!

For those interested, or did not know such as myself.

PC 12126 from the 2008 Dangerous Weapons Control Law.


12126. As used in this chapter, "unsafe handgun" means any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, as defined in subdivision (a) of Section 12001, for which any of the following is true:
(a) For a revolver:
(1) It does not have a safety device that, either automatically in the case of a double-action firing mechanism, or by manual operation in the case of a single-action firing mechanism, causes the hammer to retract to a point where the firing pin does not rest upon the primer of the cartridge.
(2) It does not meet the firing requirement for handguns pursuant to Section 12127.
(3) It does not meet the drop safety requirement for handguns pursuant to Section 12128.
(b) For a pistol:
(1) It does not have a positive manually operated safety device, as determined by standards relating to imported guns promulgated by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms.
(2) It does not meet the firing requirement for handguns pursuant to Section 12127.
(3) It does not meet the drop safety requirement for handguns pursuant to Section 12128.
(4) Commencing January 1, 2006, for a center-fire semiautomatic pistol that is not already listed on the roster pursuant to Section 12131, it does not have either a chamber load indicator, or a magazine disconnect mechanism.
(5) Commencing January 1, 2007, for all center-fire semiautomatic pistols that are not already listed on the roster pursuant to Section 12131, it does not have both a chamber load indicator and if it has a detachable magazine, a magazine disconnect mechanism.
(6) Commencing January 1, 2006, for all rimfire semiautomatic pistols that are not already listed on the roster pursuant to Section 12131, it does not have a magazine disconnect mechanism, if it has a detachable magazine.

safewaysecurity
09-03-2012, 9:43 PM
The Pena case decision cannot come soon enough. I want a regular gun. Not some politically correct lawyer safe gun that is probably less reliable.

ElDub1950
09-03-2012, 9:44 PM
For those interested, or did not know such as myself.

PC 12126 from the 2008 Dangerous Weapons Control Law.

The above is the same PC that prevents Glock Gen 4s from being available to the general public.

zum
09-03-2012, 9:44 PM
Some may rejoice.. Some may cringe at that lci..

some need to get use to it till other wise :43: (Pena)

DRAB_81
09-03-2012, 9:55 PM
I can live with this:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c297/rabara9/3A5CAAE1-11B9-47CB-BB00-320F5E184D08-788-000002F2D9E05C41.jpg

But I'd pay the extra cost for the SSE if I had to. With an MSRP of $449, it won't break the bank either way. The more pressing issue is availability. I'm glad I don't have to worry about the roster, but it still sucks that most of my fellow Calgunners do. I love my Shield, it's an awesome little gun.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c297/rabara9/3214B1AC-9077-4427-94AE-CE82EDB76A92-13231-0000145723C757A5.jpg


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Sakiri
09-03-2012, 10:37 PM
Sometime after the other M&Ps got on the roster, CA DOJ tightened up their requirements for what qualifies for the LCI. Now we're stuck with that awful rooster comb.

Makes me glad I'm in the market for a M&P and not the shield.

zum
09-03-2012, 11:02 PM
the Shield's MSRP is $449
the LC9's MSRP is $443

i just hope we don't stir up to much interest because id love to see these selling for 350 or less like the LC9 was.

Sakiri
09-03-2012, 11:05 PM
The Pena case decision cannot come soon enough. I want a regular gun. Not some politically correct lawyer safe gun that is probably less reliable.

Is that the one contesting the roster issue?

I'm terrible on names and I can't remember what lawsuit is what.

damngato
09-04-2012, 11:53 AM
It's such a nice looking gun if only it didn't have that horrendous fin hanging out. Talk about a deal killer

Mr. Magoo
09-04-2012, 12:23 PM
It's such a nice looking gun if only it didn't have that horrendous fin hanging out. Talk about a deal killer

If one really wants the other version with no LCI they can find an 07 to SSE like said above.

bwiese
09-04-2012, 12:35 PM
The Pena case decision cannot come soon enough. I want a regular gun. Not some politically correct lawyer safe gun that is probably less reliable.


Do remember that we will probably lose the 1st round in Pena v Cid. Base-level Fed judges like to punt upward.

CGF cases are dressed for a higher level anyway - appellate & Supremes, where Heller/McDonald already hold sway.

bwiese
09-04-2012, 12:43 PM
I continue to thank S&W for supporting California gunnies...


Rostering most every pistol & revolver they can;
selling OLL CA-compliant ARs as standard catalog items via distribution;
working with distributors to support CA gunnies;
not bashing CA gunnies.



But S&W is smart enough to know that CA gunnies have pockets full of money and want to do business.

Contrast that will smaller vendors who bash CA and its gunnies and who aren't smart enough to factor in minor changes as "cost of doing business" and who lose lots of sales. Darwin speaks in many languages.

safewaysecurity
09-04-2012, 12:43 PM
Do remember that we will probably lose the 1st round in Pena v Cid. Base-level Fed judges like to punt upward.

CGF cases are dressed for a higher level anyway - appellate & Supremes, where Heller/McDonald already hold sway.

According to Gene the roster even fails a basic rational basis test. It basically bans about half the handguns out there especially those that are in most common use. I don't see how they could uphold it using Intermediate Scrutiny but hey you're probably right. The courts are way too corrupt around here.

bwiese
09-04-2012, 4:06 PM
According to Gene the roster even fails a basic rational basis test. It basically bans about half the handguns out there especially those that are in most common use. I don't see how they could uphold it using Intermediate Scrutiny but hey you're probably right. The courts are way too corrupt around here.

Yes, I am just saying initial Fed court will be timid and 'wait for oversight' from higher courts.

Fjold
09-04-2012, 5:02 PM
Single side thumb safety = not ambidextrous