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secret.asian.man
08-10-2012, 10:59 PM
i am buying a Springfield Armory 1911 Mil Spec next weekend. i wanted to put a beavertail grip safety and a hammer that will fit. i would need it in black or blued (trying to match the color). i understand different companies cut their frames slightly differently, i read that all SA 1911's need a 220 degree grip safety, are all hammers the same? i wouldn't want to be stuck with several hammers that don't work. oh and do i need to change anything else to make those two items work? any links to what i would need would be greatly appreciated. (blued, black, or match whatever the finish is called on the gun)

thanks for any provided info!

KDTS
08-10-2012, 11:03 PM
The beaver tail grip safety has to actually be fitted to the frame, or rather, the frame to the beaver tail. So you have to actually grind some material from the frame (if you dare!) to make that change. It can be done at home using a jig, but if you don't want to risk messing up your frame, most people suggest going to a professional gunsmith.

secret.asian.man
08-10-2012, 11:05 PM
The beaver tail grip safety has to actually be fitted to the frame, or rather, the frame to the beaver tail. So you have to actually grind some material from the frame (if you dare!) to make that change. It can be done at home using a jig, but if you don't want to risk messing up your frame, most people suggest going to a professional gunsmith.

are you sure? i saw on a brownells DIY video that they are all compatible as long as you get the correct degree of angle (220*).

KDTS
08-10-2012, 11:09 PM
I've only seen one "drop in" beaver tail and heard mixed reviews about the fit. Also it is shaped slightly different than the beaver tails you see most of the time. I think it's a bit thinner to fit in the GI style grip safety space as opposed to the full beaver tails that are a bit wider? Not totally sure on that one.

ChaneRZ
08-10-2012, 11:10 PM
Just get a SA 1911 Loaded

KDTS
08-10-2012, 11:13 PM
This thread on 1911forum seems to have a lot of info pretty specific to the Mil Spec (I'm going to look through it too, as I also have a Mil Spec):

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=289942

Brandon04GT
08-10-2012, 11:31 PM
I might be wrong, but Springfield 1911's with factory beavertails have a Wilson compound radius frame cut. The .220" beavertails (like S&A) were made specifically for people who wanted to fit an aftermarket (non wilson compound cut) beavertail on a factory cut Springfield frame.

Since you are gonna be working with a Mil-Spec will a full GI tang, you can have a .250 radius beavertail fitted such as an Ed Brown one. However I think that even the Springfield GI tangs don't have as much meat on the top as they're supposed to and most people weld more material on the tang when fitting an Ed Brown .250" grip safety.

InGrAM
08-10-2012, 11:31 PM
Here: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/954488/wilson-combat-beavertail-grip-safety-semi-drop-in-1911-series-70-80-blue

A drop in beaver tail grip safety for a Mil-spec or GI 1911.

Any hammer other than spur will work with it.

Synergy
08-10-2012, 11:42 PM
You can send it back to the Custom Shop and they can do it for you.

This is where fitting comes into play, if the frame needs to stoned you are looking at refinish on the frame also.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y39/Icemedic/1911/CBOB_Hammer.jpg

ChaneRZ
08-10-2012, 11:43 PM
Try Smith and Alexander beavertail

secret.asian.man
08-10-2012, 11:43 PM
This thread on 1911forum seems to have a lot of info pretty specific to the Mil Spec (I'm going to look through it too, as I also have a Mil Spec):

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=289942



Here: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/954488/wilson-combat-beavertail-grip-safety-semi-drop-in-1911-series-70-80-blue

A drop in beaver tail grip safety for a Mil-spec or GI 1911.

Any hammer other than spur will work with it.


cool, thanks for the links!

secret.asian.man
08-10-2012, 11:51 PM
Just get a SA 1911 Loaded

i'm getting this specific model for $450

InGrAM
08-10-2012, 11:56 PM
I would try and do the work yourself. If you have a stainless frame then you can clean it up quite nicely with some polishing and buffing. If you have a parkarized or "blue" frame then you can use some oxphoblue from brownells to cover it up. You just need a good dremel with good bits, quality files, a sharpy and some time to practice. I did it half assed and sloppy in a few hours and it came out decent, IMO.

There is a noticeable gap in between the frame and the beavertail grip safety but I didn't have a jig to fallow and it was my first beavertail job. I have gotten better since.
link:http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=568148

Here is a Wilson jig and a Wilson beavertail grip safety:
jig: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/298932/wilson-combat-beavertail-grip-safety-fitting-fixture-1911
grip safety: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/186458/wilson-combat-high-ride-beavertail-grip-safety-1911-series-70-80-stainless-steel

Synergy
08-11-2012, 6:18 AM
I would try and do the work yourself. If you have a stainless frame then you can clean it up quite nicely with some polishing and buffing. If you have a parkarized or "blue" frame then you can use some oxphoblue from brownells to cover it up. You just need a good dremel with good bits, quality files, a sharpy and some time to practice. I did it half assed and sloppy in a few hours and it came out decent, IMO.

There is a noticeable gap in between the frame and the beavertail grip safety but I didn't have a jig to fallow and it was my first beavertail job. I have gotten better since.
link:http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=568148

Here is a Wilson jig and a Wilson beavertail grip safety:
jig: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/298932/wilson-combat-beavertail-grip-safety-fitting-fixture-1911
grip safety: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/186458/wilson-combat-high-ride-beavertail-grip-safety-1911-series-70-80-stainless-steel

I would advise against DIY smiths using a Dremel. One slip and you can destroy a frame. Get some stones and do it right.

http://www.brownells.com/userdocs/products/p_080811000_1.jpg

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=913/Product/HAMMER-SEAR-FILE-STONE-KIT

kurac
08-11-2012, 7:30 AM
I just put a Wilson drop in beaver tail on my Colt Govt model, I also had to get a Wilson commander hammer on it. The grip safety needed a little bit of fitting that required some internet reading since it did not come with any instructions. It does not require any work to the frame which is why I got it.

walmart_ar15
08-11-2012, 7:47 AM
are you sure? i saw on a brownells DIY video that they are all compatible as long as you get the correct degree of angle (220*).

mil-spec will not fit a hi ride beaver tail There are beaver tail like grip safety U can get that will fit. My understanding is that 220/250/Wilson/Brown etc will all reqiure frame cutting to fit a mil-spec.

Just get a jig spec for the beaver tail of Ur choice a flat and round file some touch up blue and ur gtg. 60 min Ur have the frame contoured. Go slow, chk fit often, to get that custom fit look. Took me 10 min, but I am not into looks.

Now comes the hard part of fitting the grip safety to make sure all internal contacts are adjusted to work properly.

GS will charge - 100 to 150 for the work + parts. Jig cost ~ 30.

All 1911 spec hammer will work, but like everything for 1911, it may need some fittting

Press Check
08-11-2012, 8:19 AM
Even with the Mil-Spec, the frame tangs need a weld-up completed to fit a .250 radius grip safety. That's what I had done with my Loaded.

Mute
08-11-2012, 8:26 AM
If you don't mind a sloppy job that isn't flush or has some gaps in between the frame and grip, you can get one of the "drop-in" beavertails. Most of the time those will install without needing any alterations. If you don't get a drop-in, you WILL need to do some filing and fitting. The S&A grips are made for a better fit to Springfield frames and will require the least amount of filing on your frame. Again, how much depends on how clean a job you want. You'll need to replace the stock hammer with a commander style or bobbed hammer. Changing the hammer could affect the functionality of your fire control parts so test it thoroughly when you're done to make sure your gun functions properly and all safeties work as intended.

g17owner
08-11-2012, 8:28 AM
are you sure? i saw on a brownells DIY video that they are all compatible as long as you get the correct degree of angle (220*).

All mil-spec pistols will need to be cut to properly fit a beavertail grip safety. NONE of the drop in safety's will fit and look good IMHO.

9mmepiphany
08-11-2012, 8:42 AM
More important than looks will be function.

If your beavertail grip safety isn't correctly fitted, you'll be paying the price in blisters and blood...unless you just don't shoot it much.

This area was the #1 cause of bleeding during a Gunsite 250 course I attended earlier this year

-hanko
08-11-2012, 8:58 AM
...call Brownells on Monday and talk for a while with someone in tech support.

It will be worth your time;).

-hanko

jcaoloveshine
08-11-2012, 9:11 AM
get a gunsmith to do it. when it comes to 1911 part fittings, you want to get it right.

Trapper
08-11-2012, 9:36 AM
Don't waste your time with a drop in. Find a good gunsmith in your area and have him install an Ed Brown safety. The Ed Brown safety allows a higher grip that the Wilson or S&A

plsmyk
08-11-2012, 11:20 AM
Harrison Custom's website has a "frequently asked Questions (F.A.Q.)" section that has some good information regarding grip safety fit.

http://www.harrisoncustom.com/FAQ.aspx

Click on the "Beavertail Grip Safeties" link in the "1911 Related" section.

CamW
08-11-2012, 1:46 PM
I've done the drop in grip safety and I tried to fit one myself, I was never happy with the way it looked.
It's worth it to have a GOOD gunsmith fit it for you,you'll like the results much better.
Here's a Commander that Dave's Metal Works did for me.It's a S&A grip safety on a Colt frame.

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/5286/dmwcommlt1.jpg

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/3430/dmwcommrearb.jpg

More photos and specs on the Commander:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=326403

dem0critus
08-11-2012, 2:03 PM
I've done the drop in grip safety and I tried to fit one myself, I was never happy with the way it looked.
It's worth it to have a GOOD gunsmith fit it for you,you'll like the results much better.
Here's a Commander that Dave's Metal Works did for me.It's a S&A grip safety on a Colt frame.

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/5286/dmwcommlt1.jpg

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/3430/dmwcommrearb.jpg

More photos and specs on the Commander:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=326403

Wow that's a sweet lookin' 1911 right there. These pics illustrate exactly why it needs to be fit to the gun. While you can probably find one that will "drop in", it's going to look weird unless you have it fit, or you fit it yourself. The finish is another thing too. If you don't want to have these parts custom fit to your gun then you're better off just starting with something that has the grip safety you like.

A poorly fit (probably not fit at all in this case) drop in grip safety will look something like this:
http://www.pbase.com/terry_56/image/127660694.jpg

You can see here exactly why people like to have them fit.

InGrAM
08-11-2012, 2:29 PM
I would advise against DIY smiths using a Dremel. One slip and you can destroy a frame. Get some stones and do it right.

http://www.brownells.com/userdocs/products/p_080811000_1.jpg

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=913/Product/HAMMER-SEAR-FILE-STONE-KIT

Destroy a Frame, huh? Have you ever used a dremel? Or used a dremel on any of your guns? You are not going to destroy a frame with a dremel. You might mar the finish but you are not going to grind off a piece of the frame. Now if it was an angle grinder then yes, but with a dremel? No.




A poorly fit (probably not fit at all in this case) drop in grip safety will look something like this:
http://www.pbase.com/terry_56/image/127660694.jpg

You can see here exactly why people like to have them fit.

My Wilson drop-in safety looks like this, is that a SA frame? It looks like a SA slide.
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/9544/sam4530c.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/716/sam4530c.jpg/)

Synergy
08-11-2012, 3:05 PM
Destroy a Frame, huh? Have you ever used a dremel? Or used a dremel on any of your guns? You are not going to destroy a frame with a dremel. You might mar the finish but you are not going to grind off a piece of the frame. Now if it was an angle grinder then yes, but with a dremel? No.

Ok "destroy" was a bit extreme. You could damage it and end up spending more money in repair work. I have used a Dremel and am quite confident in it. I have seen what damage can be done with a sanding roll or burr bit. Just a warning for DIY'ers to be careful.

Chief-7700
08-11-2012, 3:50 PM
If your going to replace the hammer, might want to think about replacing the sear also.
Chief

InGrAM
08-11-2012, 5:36 PM
Ok "destroy" was a bit extreme. You could damage it and end up spending more money in repair work. I have used a Dremel and am quite confident in it. I have seen what damage can be done with a sanding roll or burr bit. Just a warning for DIY'ers to be careful.

Definitely, you have to be very careful using a dremel on any firearm. And you are right anyone not proficient enough with a dremel probably shouldn't be practicing on a frame they wouldn't mind damaging.