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Vlad 11
08-09-2012, 11:19 AM
Stumbled across this, thought I would share it. Hope its not a dupe.

A Town Hall with some of the co-authors of sb249. Maybe some of the other side should participate in their love-in?

And what's with 'common-sense' this and 'common-sense' that? Seems to be the new parrot phrase.

http://wehonews.com/z/wehonews/archive/page.php?articleID=7122

http://www.wehonews.com/z/wehonews/files/Feuer-THall_NewLaws_flyer%20copy.jpg

LoneYote
08-09-2012, 11:32 AM
It's a dupe... fell off the front page.... I was hoping someone else in OC area might want to carpool up there but no one PM'd me... :(

Hope I am not the only one with :TFH: there...

tenpercentfirearms
08-09-2012, 11:36 AM
I think we all need to show up.

Carnivore
08-09-2012, 10:45 PM
Going if I can make it...work dictates my life during the week.

tenpercentfirearms
08-10-2012, 6:56 AM
So anyone want to go? I suggest we not wear anything gun related so we can blend in and then hit them with some good questions they can't answer. That is assuming they don't know who I am and they don't know I am coming after reading this thread.

taperxz
08-10-2012, 7:03 AM
So anyone want to go? I suggest we not wear anything gun related so we can blend in and then hit them with some good questions they can't answer. That is assuming they don't know who I am and they don't know I am coming after reading this thread.

They would only know if you showed up on a scooter in your shorts with an AR.:D

CessnaDriver
08-10-2012, 7:15 AM
Interesting graphic no?

Blood red lettering.
use of the term "gun violence" as if guns commit violence.

Tanner68
08-10-2012, 7:36 AM
I'll be there. I will keep the gunny garb low pro.

tenpercentfirearms
08-10-2012, 7:41 AM
I just feel if you dress decently with no gun garb on, they aren't going to know which side you stand on. Then ask a generally unbiased question about how much money this is going to cost. Don't even hit the constitutional rights aspect, because they do not care. Money they care about. Fuer having to answer to wasting money might make him feel uncomfortable. Even refer to us as "the other side".

agl1911
08-10-2012, 7:51 AM
I am considering going, this is the genius that came up with the "microstamp" yeah he really thought that one through.

CEDaytonaRydr
08-10-2012, 12:29 PM
Tagged for interest. I will try to attend.

wash
08-10-2012, 2:38 PM
It's pretty easy to figure out where you stand even if you aren't wearing camo or anything gun related.

The antis are largely old maids banning guns "for the children" because their 14 cats aren't a big enough hobby, sickly looking hippies who smell weird, crazy foreigners who think that a 1lb jug of smokeless powder is going to make a building explode and young women with no grasp of reality.

Just looking normal is enough to tip off the antis.

You can make anti heads explode if you are Asian, black, female, liberal, a hippster, a teacher or a smelly hippy.

The best policy is to dress nice because when we do that it makes the antis look like a bunch of slobs. That's almost better than fooling people.

With events like this, it's really bad if the antis try to choose the audience so don't worry about fooling anyone (but still dress business casual or better if you can).

If public comment is allowed, fill out a speaker card and have a few questions to ask or a statement to say. If it's like a city council meeting, one minute or three minutes will be allowed per speaker so you can prepare statements for either length. Just be prepared to speak, it's critical.

If you don't do much public speaking or don't like public speaking, man up for the cause. If your really organized, make a list of talking points so that a bunch of you can tag team it without going over the same ground. When you get up there, adjust the mic properly, speak slowly and enunciate. It's easy after you've done it a few times.

In times like this, showing up is critical. If you can make it, show up and sit in the front row. We can't let our anti politicians get away with constantly glad-handing each other and looking good in public when we can make them look like a jackass.

surfguy
08-10-2012, 3:11 PM
They would only know if you showed up on a scooter in your shorts with an AR.:D

Is this in west hollywood? On today's radio show with Wes, it was recommended that flannel would make a statement. I thought it was funny.

VAReact
08-10-2012, 3:15 PM
I'm gonna go, work permitting...hope to see a lot of support there. Antis need to be called on their lies and fear-mongering. We gotta keep up the pressure, especially in the current climate!

RuggedJay
08-10-2012, 3:21 PM
We need to get the word out on this. We need as many people to show up as possible.

CEDaytonaRydr
08-10-2012, 3:23 PM
Are there any Pink Pistols members who might be able to make it? We need to show them that this is not a "Right vs. Left" issue; it's a "Right vs. Wrong" issue!

ptoguy2002
08-10-2012, 7:25 PM
I'm going to try and make this.

blazeaglory
08-10-2012, 8:27 PM
Know your facts.! Come up with some good stuff like how the bullet button has been around for 10 years but gun violence has gone down so how the hell is the bullet button a nusence?

dbo
08-10-2012, 8:48 PM
lol Koretz hates my guts should I show up?

SkyMag68
08-10-2012, 8:48 PM
I'm Asian and I'm in my 30..If I was near by I don't mind joining the party.probably just blend right in with the crowd.

beknar
08-10-2012, 9:15 PM
Be prepared to be shouted down and not allowed to speak and then when you try to assert yourself, get escorted out of the town hall. This place is going to be PACKED with Angelinos, most of whom don't want you to have any firearms at all. Is there a plan on how to get there at least 2 hours early for the meeting so as to not have union goons show up an hour early, take up all the room and all the seats and not let anyone else in? Hmm .. maybe even 2 hours early could be cutting it close if that's the case. What about having a list of different questions to ask? Really though, someone ought to come up with a plan and some organization that would change peoples' minds, not just annoy them because they couldn't answer your questions and commentary.

mrrsquared79
08-10-2012, 9:19 PM
It's a dupe... fell off the front page.... I was hoping someone else in OC area might want to carpool up there but no one PM'd me... :(

Hope I am not the only one with :TFH: there...

Where you at in the OC, I will be more than happy to stand up with you at this meeting?

mrrsquared79
08-10-2012, 9:24 PM
Heck I'm good at speaking as long as I am prepared. If someone wants to put together bullet points or highlights that can be handed to those of us who do attend.

That being said, why not meet up hours before this to go over the talking points and contingency plans.

o0RedEyE0o
08-10-2012, 9:29 PM
I cant make it but bumping this thread for support.

LoneYote
08-10-2012, 10:47 PM
I agree that getting there early is the best option... However, if we are going to get there hours before hand maybe we group up at a near by food location. I don't want to be sitting around for 2 hours before it starts and another 2 while they speak without something to drink at least.....

We could also start compiling talking points now.... Since the flier does not specifically mention SB 249 or any other pending legislation we should probably start with a very wide net.

Suggestion : Cost - The United States is at best barely recovering from a devastating financial situation. Many agencies are struggling with budget cuts.
This leads to several possible subsections.
- SB 249 and other legislation challenged in court?
- Who will enforce the new laws with departments facing cuts?
- Overcrowding?

Statistics - Know numbers NOT %'s (http://www.gunfacts.info/) Murders 3XX out of 5XXX were committed with rifles of ANY kind.... Cars and fists are more dangerous... If they don't mention rifles then we need to know handguns vs cars. Violent crimes(inclusive) this links to the next point.

We need some solid data on UK, Aus, Japan they might be brought up and quoting an NRA video is not a solid tactic... Those governments must generate some types of reports on crimes.

Lastly, we need to show respect for the dead. Bad guys are guys too especially in the view of anti-gun people. "John in Texas killed two dirt bags so he could save his potato chip collection". I think this is the big divide between the two camps. We see criminals killed as BG's who got what they deserved and we say it in no uncertain terms. This can really put people off.

wash
08-10-2012, 11:12 PM
If there is one thing speakers need to know, don't go on tangents.

Fast and Furious is really important and relevant but people can't connect the dots from a 1-3 minute speech.

Don't talk about Colorado or the Sikh temple, they are not relevant to SB249.

Those two examples will be brought up I'm sure but don't address the guns, ask what is being done to stop insane people from slipping through the cracks? Insane people are the problem, don't let them bait you in to arguing over guns because they are not the issue.

Read up on the legal background of the bullet button and OLL rifles.

Ask about how much crime is committed with bullet button OLL rifles and why they are being singled out in AB249?

Ask them what AB249 would actually ban, why Camala Harris has admitted that bullet button OLL rifles are legal and how anyone can think that essentially banning one of the most popular firearms in the country is constitutional?

Do not argue "well I'll just go featureless" or "featureless let's me use large capacity magazines like betamags", those kind of statements will be twisted against you.

Vlad 11
08-11-2012, 12:08 AM
http://www.facebook.com/events/457556540950869/permalink/457556544284202/


Yes, this is a Bradyfest. A hostile reaction to an opposing view likely to be expected.

Fingers in the ears while they say 'La La La La La La' at best or a brownshirt escort to the exit door.

The cat ladies are not going to understand any gun jargon like OLL or featureless. One need only to read the press releases circulating that have the brady stank on them to see how utterly ignorant they are.

To them, our rifles are all 'Assualt Weapons' that need to be banned. They will absolutely believe that sb249 and other proposed measures will bring that about. They wont believe it does nothing, They will simply not care about the cost, the lives changed, the lawabiding who are criminalized, or the constitutionality. To that end, all is needed is to speak the truth, the only answer they have is lies. And hopefully someone records this because the truth will be easy to discern.

tenpercentfirearms
08-11-2012, 8:59 AM
I really, really think anyone that shows up needs to hit the financial aspect. Now, should I go?

ptoguy2002
08-11-2012, 9:29 AM
Yes, this is a Bradyfest. A hostile reaction to an opposing view likely to be expected.
....or a brownshirt escort to the exit door.


More reason to go. And more reason for lots of people to go.

Now, should I go?

Of course.

I'm going to really try to make it myself.

dbo
08-11-2012, 9:59 AM
I will be going I live in the district. the financial aspect is very easy for me. I pay allot of money in property taxes and I paid allot of money for my rifle I will not be handing it over for free... How about instead of forcing people like me to sue you and waste millions of dollars you don't have you take up some more pressing issues like hiring firefighters to replace the ones you removed from my nieghborhood at station 92. Oh wait I forgot you do have millions of dollars, stashed away in special funds just like the state park dept...

CessnaDriver
08-11-2012, 11:00 AM
When is the town hall on knife violence?

jdberger
08-11-2012, 4:54 PM
Y'all gotta give me 24 hours for a non-tablet response, but I think this is worth attending, and I think it's worth flying our flag.

You're not going to change any minds. You're not going to convince any of the top billed legislators to vote differently. But you might be able to demonstrate that there is organized opposition.

tenpercentfirearms
08-12-2012, 8:37 AM
I thought about it and this isn't worth spending a whole day on for me. Just bad timing and way too much traffic and time spent getting there on a Tuesday afternoon from Taft. I hope the rest of you can make it in my place.

Cali-Shooter
08-12-2012, 10:43 AM
Let's get more of our kind at that event to pose an opposing yet coherent and well-thought out viewpoint that forces them to answer or address difficult questions.

I'll be coming from Anaheim that day, if anyone wants to carpool, pm me, I will start to leave from Anaheim starting 4:30pm. This event is only 2 days away.

Dress smart, in casual business or 'office' attire, no army boots or anything camo please, no T-shirts and shorts/jeans and flip flops if you can help it.

Extra points if you show up looking like an MIT graduate or a Harvard professor of some sort.

Cali-Shooter
08-12-2012, 11:25 AM
Keep your speaking points brief, to the point, and simple.

For example: "I understand that most, if not all of us, are concerned about the issue of gun violence in public places. Oftentimes, increased gun control legislation is called for and or enacted in the aftermath of such tragic events. But, it has been found by multiple studies and statistics such as those conducted by the FBI, that despite states such as California having the highest level of gun control or gun "safety" or "common sense" laws, CA happens to have many times higher handgun murder rates than relatively gun control free states such as CO or AZ, and despite the rise in gun sales throughout the nation since 2005 up to 2010, the amount of overall gun violence and deaths has been steadily been decreasing year by year, as this chart shows.

This asks the question, what is the purpose of more gun control legislation when the facts show that they are ineffective in stopping violent crime with firearms, and especially when the gun legislative targets citizens, who, when they abide the laws which would disarm them by threat of arrest and imprisonment, are essentially victimized by the law and made easy prey for violent armed criminals? Criminals, who, are unaffected by the law because they don't abide by them despite however many laws are passed by legislators?"

bbsmth
08-12-2012, 11:35 AM
Keep your speaking points brief, to the point, and simple.

For example: "I understand that most, if not all of us, are concerned about the issue of gun violence in public places. Oftentimes, increased gun control legislation is called for and or enacted in the aftermath of such tragic events. But, it has been found by multiple studies and statistics such as those conducted by the FBI, that despite states such as California having the highest level of gun control or gun "safety" or "common sense" laws, CA happens to have many times higher handgun murder rates than relatively gun control free states such as CO or AZ, and despite the rise in gun sales throughout the nation since 2005 up to 2010, the amount of overall gun violence and deaths has been steadily been decreasing year by year, as this chart shows.

This asks the question, what is the purpose of more gun control legislation when the facts show that they are ineffective in stopping violent crime with firearms, and especially when the gun legislative targets citizens, who, when they abide the laws which would disarm them by threat of arrest and imprisonment, are essentially victimized by the law and made easy prey for violent armed criminals? Criminals, who, are unaffected by the law because they don't abide by them despite however many laws are passed by legislators?"

Because think of the children... duh.

EchoFourTango
08-12-2012, 11:46 AM
Be prepared to be shouted down and not allowed to speak and then when you try to assert yourself, get escorted out of the town hall. This place is going to be PACKED with Angelinos, most of whom don't want you to have any firearms at all. Is there a plan on how to get there at least 2 hours early for the meeting so as to not have union goons show up an hour early, take up all the room and all the seats and not let anyone else in? Hmm .. maybe even 2 hours early could be cutting it close if that's the case. What about having a list of different questions to ask? Really though, someone ought to come up with a plan and some organization that would change peoples' minds, not just annoy them because they couldn't answer your questions and commentary.

Im not sure if you know but there are union goons that enjoy their RKBA. There are also some on this forum and are not even liberal. just a friendly fyi

VAReact
08-12-2012, 5:55 PM
Bump

Commiefornia
08-12-2012, 6:31 PM
I just feel if you dress decently with no gun garb on, they aren't going to know which side you stand on. Then ask a generally unbiased question about how much money this is going to cost. Don't even hit the constitutional rights aspect, because they do not care. Money they care about. Fuer having to answer to wasting money might make him feel uncomfortable. Even refer to us as "the other side".

YES!! Ask Feuer how much his new long gun registration bill is going to cost the state! And ask him specifically how it's supposed to stop street gangs from getting guns on the black market. They just did a raid on an east Anaheim gang and confiscated 40 guns. Does he really think they walked into a store and got them legally?

SilverTauron
08-12-2012, 7:01 PM
Here's my take.

Ive been to a few of these types of community meetings in Chicago.An event like this isn't about soliciting public opinion, so much as it is a collective circle jerk session of big shots congratulating themselves on saving the world from itself. They won't care a whit on what you have to say, and anyone asking questions about money or rights will likely be asked to shut up or depart the premises.

That said, we have an opportunity here. Ask them , point blank, what their future plans are for expanded legislation in California to prevent gun violence. Yeah, I know its gonna make you guys sick, but hear me out!

In front of an audience ,cameras, and fellow members of the Disarmament Lobby these folks *may* happily tell us what's in store for proposed legislation in CA after SB249. Bonus points if you can get one of the panel members to fillibuster on specifics regarding their intentions on handguns, hi-cap magazines, and Concealed Carry. The elite will hardly escort you out the door for being a good little sheep asking how they plan to protect you.

Intelligence on your opposition's goals is a powerful thing to possess.;)

bob7122
08-12-2012, 8:32 PM
i am down to go and speak if possible. does anybody want to carpool?- i am in OC, anaheim area; we can go in my car which is very fuel efficient- 4 cylinder.- just PM me.
i will dress in a nice suit and will try to address the financial burden on our state. especially the cost of compensation for firearms. some other calgunner did the conservative #'s about if there are at least 400,000 AR's X a minimum of $1000 = $400,000,000. does the state have that kind of budget to compensate CA citizens for turning in their property?
nvr mnd just read that they will not provide compensation for property.:(

Cali-Shooter
08-13-2012, 5:02 PM
Anyone else going to show? If I don't find a group of friendlies to stand solid with, I might have to go low-pro and play the 'good little sheeple' card for a bit.

Librarian
08-13-2012, 6:02 PM
nvr mnd just read that they will not provide compensation for property.:(

Not quite correct. The authors hope someone will accept the transparently wrong assertion that the bill is not a change in the law. If it isn't, it's not a 'government taking'; if it IS a change, probably can successfully argue that it IS a 'government taking'.

See wikipedia for a survey article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taking#Other_property The Fifth Amendment imposes limitations on the exercise of eminent domain: the taking must be for public use and just compensation must be paid.Also note that a 'public use' argument is going to be pretty hard to establish.

ETA let me expand on that a bit.

For example, if the state decided to confiscate every gun in the state for reasons of public safety, that would be logical in some patterns of thought - but that one fails Heller/Mcdonald, it won't fly.

So, the grabbers will claim there is something special about the 'assault weapons' that makes them worse than any other kind of gun - that's the fig-leaf used to pass Roberti-Roos in the first place - "PC 30505 (a) The Legislature hereby finds and declares that the proliferation and use of assault weapons poses a threat to the health, safety, and security of all citizens of this state."

But now they're going to have to prove it. And they can't do it.

LoneYote
08-13-2012, 6:17 PM
Anyone else going to show? If I don't find a group of friendlies to stand solid with, I might have to go low-pro and play the 'good little sheeple' card for a bit.

Yeah there will be some of us there... maybe we need to do something small to identify each other?!?!?!

no :44: and :TFH: would stand out.... maybe :chris: or :kilt:
Ideas?

bob7122
08-13-2012, 6:49 PM
Yeah there will be some of us there... maybe we need to do something small to identify each other?!?!?!

no :44: and :TFH: would stand out.... maybe :chris: or :kilt:
Ideas?

how about PM'ing each other's #'s

i have talked to one of you already, if we all can PM in private it would be great. the summer time is my tight budget season, so if someone would like to carpool that would be great.

bob7122
08-13-2012, 6:49 PM
Not quite correct. The authors hope someone will accept the transparently wrong assertion that the bill is not a change in the law. If it isn't, it's not a 'government taking'; if it IS a change, probably can successfully argue that it IS a 'government taking'.

See wikipedia for a survey article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taking#Other_property Also note that a 'public use' argument is going to be pretty hard to establish.

ETA let me expand on that a bit.

For example, if the state decided to confiscate every gun in the state for reasons of public safety, that would be logical in some patterns of thought - but that one fails Heller/Mcdonald, it won't fly.

So, the grabbers will claim there is something special about the 'assault weapons' that makes them worse than any other kind of gun - that's the fig-leaf used to pass Roberti-Roos in the first place - "PC 30505 (a) The Legislature hereby finds and declares that the proliferation and use of assault weapons poses a threat to the health, safety, and security of all citizens of this state."

But now they're going to have to prove it. And they can't do it.

ok so i think i can work with this... thank you for the clarification and help.

Mr310
08-13-2012, 6:56 PM
I'd give anything to make it to this but unless someone can host me via Skype, it just can't happen. It is VERY important for people to go and, in a respectful, coherent, and intelligent manner, let these people know that there are many of us out there that are opposed to this bill.

Cali-Shooter
08-13-2012, 7:07 PM
Yeah there will be some of us there... maybe we need to do something small to identify each other?!?!?!

no :44: and :TFH: would stand out.... maybe :chris: or :kilt:
Ideas?

I'll be wearing a blue card with a $ symbol on it attached to a string on my wrist, I thought about wearing a CGN tag but decided against it. Sending pm to coordinate showing up.

mdw3006
08-13-2012, 7:16 PM
I've been searching out our opposition's plan for the hearing. Here is one that was posted by All Saints Church in Pasadena:

"We will also be writing letters to our Assemblymembers, asking for their support of Assembly Joint Resolution 45, introduced early this week by Assemblymember Mike Feuer. If passed, this Resolution would send a message from the Assembly to the President, Congressional leaders, and members of the California delegation, urging the reinstatement of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban. The text of the Resolution is here. You can also attend the Town Hall on Gun Violence to be held on Tuesday, Aug. 14, 5:30 - 7:30 p.m. at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art. Read the flyer here.

Previous Action:
Last Sunday we signed 93 letters to the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission and 98 letters to the California Public Utilities Commission calling for the permanent closure of the San Onofre Nuclear Power Station. San Onofre has been shut down since Jan. 31 due to leaks of radioactive steam from cracked tubing in steam generators that were installed less than three years ago."

So this is their game plan. At least from one group. Forewarned...forearmed.

Librarian
08-13-2012, 7:58 PM
Too bad Western Union isn't much in the telegram business any more.

Used to be possible to say 'If you want to send a message, call Western Union.'

bob7122
08-13-2012, 8:21 PM
well if all goes as planned i will see some of you there. i will hang out at the entrance for a few mins and the secret password to identify each other will be a question "hello?" and the correct response is "piss off!"

jk i have sent PM's to some of you, hope to see you there. i hope others PM me so we can all coordinate.

VAReact
08-14-2012, 5:52 AM
Work is going down to the wire on this one, but I should be able to barely make it on time. Apologies that I will be in work clothes, but at least I'll be there, if I get out of work on time. White T-shirt. Blue jeans and steel-toe boots. Feel free to PM me to coordinate.

ptoguy2002
08-14-2012, 6:55 AM
I tried to clear things up in work to be able to make it, but it isn't happening.
Sorry, won't make this one.
Will make the next one.

CEDaytonaRydr
08-14-2012, 11:17 AM
Anyone else going to show? If I don't find a group of friendlies to stand solid with, I might have to go low-pro and play the 'good little sheeple' card for a bit.

I think I'm going to be there...

Do we know anything about the rules? How much time will we have to speak, if we get the Mic?

Tanner68
08-14-2012, 11:52 AM
It is only a 90 minute meeting. I don't expect we will have much opportunity to use the mic.

bob7122
08-14-2012, 12:38 PM
i think 2-3 mins max. i think for only 90 mins, but that is a flipping wild guess...

Cali-Shooter
08-14-2012, 12:51 PM
Bob I'm free and I'll be in anaheim, I'll give you a call soon

VAReact
08-14-2012, 2:49 PM
I'm already here! Anybody else? I got my badge, but haven't gone up the elevator to the room yet.

VAReact
08-14-2012, 3:17 PM
On fifth floor. Went in, nobody here yet!

VAReact
08-14-2012, 3:33 PM
By nobody, I meant NOBODY. It's deserted...

lordres
08-14-2012, 3:58 PM
33 minutes to go?

SanPedroShooter
08-14-2012, 4:06 PM
Good luck. You're in the wolfs den.

VAReact
08-14-2012, 4:10 PM
Don't make me speak at this thing!! Not sure I'm really good at it! Looking for friendlies...:gene:

AVS
08-14-2012, 4:49 PM
Anyone else there? Report in! :)

dbo
08-14-2012, 6:02 PM
talked to a buddy who works for koretz. we were joking about how this prob got scheduled so no one would show up... i mean 530pm west hollywood. I'm century city and its at least a 20 min drive just taking olympic or pico...

lordres
08-14-2012, 6:04 PM
Any updates? How'd it go?

george tirebiter
08-14-2012, 6:18 PM
A Member here has been texting me during the meeting. Here is what he has texted:

They are bigger gun grabbers than you could imagine.

and have the minds of children.

They seem to be wild supporters of hunting.

Paul Koretz is the biggest idiot of them all.

120 people. 10 Gunnies.

There are some more gunnies here than I thought.

Koretz just said he is a NRA marksman.

These PD chiefs think we are children.

Hope the members post more info later.

DarthSean
08-14-2012, 7:22 PM
A Member here has been texting me during the meeting. Here is what he has texted:

They are bigger gun grabbers than you could imagine.

and have the minds of children.

They seem to be wild supporters of hunting.

Paul Koretz is the biggest idiot of them all.

120 people. 10 Gunnies.

There are some more gunnies here than I thought.

Koretz just said he is a NRA marksman.

These PD chiefs think we are children.

Hope the members post more info later.

That's interesting considering how the vast gun control supporters I encounter have about a 5th grade reasoning and vocabulary/writing skills, and often use protecting themselves from their own actions as a justification.:rolleyes:

CEDaytonaRydr
08-14-2012, 7:26 PM
This meeting was a joke! They selected questions at random and filtered out most of the quality questions, to manipulate the conversation. They did call on a female gun owner; I'm assuming they picked her because they thought she would be vulnerable but she was anything but. She gave them "what-for" with the time she had. Then, when she started to drive the point home, they started "hushing" her.

The misinformation and rigged statistics were flowing through the room liberally!!!!

I did get to grill Charlie Beck's stand-in for a few minutes. He's a tool, just like Beck.

bob7122
08-14-2012, 10:06 PM
the amount of **** that comes out of their mouths is amazing!
they just gave emotional statements with emotional responses and no evidence to back up statements.

they said CA has the lowest crime and that it was because of all the gun regulation.

mike feur said that PPT did not require anything, all you needed was the exchange of $ and the gun, you didn't even need to fill out any paper work. - one of the policemen their corrected mike feur, but in a very low voice barely audible even for me and i was in the 4th row.

the 2a was only for hunting and competitive shooting.

and i am not lying to you, you can ask any calgunner there. they said that if you wanted a "assault weapon" then that was because you wanted to hurt people in massive numbers, and you were crazy as well.

they gave wild comments that they would pass off as fact but were just statements that could not be backed up with any evidence/facts.

they stated that you only needed 10 rounds to shoot in any self defense situation. without considering that their are plenty of cases where people needed or use more than that.

they said that CA needed a more in depth background check, because in our current background checks they only had a piece of paper that asked if we were insane and that one could just lie. (so why do they run a background check to see if you have commited a crime? )

when the lady that someone elected to be the voice for all the pro-gun group there stated that they should not create laws that penalize or make it difficult for law abiding civilians but should focus on making sure the crazies didn't get any guns; they applauded her. AS SOON AS she made the statement that they should investigate why people in power like the police and doctors that knew that the crazies in aurora and tucson were a danger to people but did nothing, that that is what failed and they should be investigated; that in order for a doctor to break doctor patient confidentiality then that means that the crazy has a serious threat and needs to be addressed. -but nooo they just tried to hush her.

and much much more but i am too tired right now to remember. all this fud and flat out evil lies has me mentally drained.

jdberger
08-14-2012, 10:36 PM
Thanks for going, folks. If anyone has a list of of the panelists, I'd appreciate it.

CEDaytonaRydr
09-19-2012, 1:56 PM
Anyone have any idea if they plan on holding anymore of these? I searched but didn't find anything...

Next time, we need to just call them out for being biased. The panel consisted of only gun-grabbers and people in the pockets of the Brady Campaign.