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Excelsior
08-08-2012, 7:05 PM
What year did the use of "bullet buttons" begin here in CA?

Crazed_SS
08-08-2012, 7:06 PM
I think Maybe 2007-2008.. dont remember exactly.

wash
08-08-2012, 7:32 PM
Well, when was the first SKS imported in to Ca?

Since that was the first not detachable magazine because it needs the use of a tool (a bullet tip) to remove the magazine.

But if you mean an AR style bullet button, ask Assault Planet/Prince50.

wilit
08-08-2012, 7:57 PM
I think Maybe 2007-2008.. dont remember exactly.

Yeah, somewhere in there. In '05-'06 we were going featureless and using maglocks. I think I still have my semi-auto sam maglock somewhere. :D

Librarian
08-08-2012, 8:12 PM
2007 - see http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/oal/OAL-280-Suspension-Notice-2007-09-21-w-Attachments.pdf

GOEX FFF
08-08-2012, 8:55 PM
^^ Yep, 5 years without ANY incident whatsoever. Yee watches the news one night, learns about it, and all hell breaks loose.

RoyBatty
08-09-2012, 1:34 AM
The sunset of the Federal AW ban in 2004 got the ball rolling on OLL

adamsreeftank
08-09-2012, 2:36 AM
You might want to start with this thread:

Gas on the fire - bullet tip mag release
05-21-2006

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=34401

ptoguy2002
08-09-2012, 3:39 AM
The sunset of the Federal AW ban in 2004 got the ball rolling on OLL
Expiration of the federal AWB had nothing directly to do with OLL or bullet buttons in California. An argument could be made that the expiration led to a huge increase in the popularity, number of mfg's, available stuff, etc, which may have had an indirect affect.
Long story short, OLL started being sold in late '05, bullet button aka range safe mag lock conceived in IIRC '06, started being sold in IIRC '07.

hoffmang
08-09-2012, 6:29 PM
The era of the bullet button began on 1/1/2007 which was the first effective date of AB-2728.

I posted a revised bullet tip magazine release design about 15 minutes after midnight that day that was then perfected and partially adopted by Prince-50 in early 2007.

-Gene

Albino
08-09-2012, 6:59 PM
You might want to start with this thread:

Gas on the fire - bullet tip mag release
05-21-2006

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=34401

Interesting read, and thank you.


Pretty ironic... I would bet money, that all of the same people that were bashing the idea in the first place, are now sweating the fact that they might lose it...




This was a good one...

Dumb idea IMO.








Thanks to those that designed, and helped open up the industry to CA.

Excelsior
08-10-2012, 6:35 PM
Is this chronology fairly close?


1989 -- Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons Control Act of 1989 -- "Assault weapons" as defined by specific list of firearms is approved. Manufacturers respond by changing model names and numbers -- "off list" lower receivers and firearms are born.

12/31/2000 -- "Assault weapons" defined by physical features. Senate Bill 23.

1/1/2007 -- Commence bullet button era in conjunction with "Off list" lower receivers and complete firearms.

08/2012 -- Threat of SB 249 looms

Prince50
08-11-2012, 6:33 AM
Is this chronology fairly close?


1989 -- Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons Control Act of 1989 -- "Assault weapons" as defined by specific list of firearms is approved. Manufacturers respond by changing model names and numbers -- "off list" lower receivers and firearms are born.

12/31/2000 -- "Assault weapons" defined by physical features. Senate Bill 23.

3/12/2006 --Prince50 Maglock used to create "Fixed Mag". Sporting conversions existed before this, but could not be reconfigured to drop the mag "Out of state"

1/17/2007 -- First viable bulet tip release hits the market, starting era in conjunction with "Off list" lower receivers and complete firearms. And the Household name Bullet-ButtonŽ is born!

08/2012 -- Threat of SB 249 looms

Fixed it for ya ;)

stevied
08-11-2012, 7:01 AM
Yeah, somewhere in there. In '05-'06 we were going featureless and using maglocks. I think I still have my semi-auto sam maglock somewhere. :D

Not sure if I still have my mag lock but I still have my takedown pin :D

CSACANNONEER
08-11-2012, 7:10 AM
I can not document it but, I do remember a vendor at a local gun show who was selling 80% AR receivers a couple years prior to the beggining of the OLL movement in late 2004. This vendor had all the tooling, the 80%s, LPKs AND a working mag lock which used a bullet to release the mag. I only saw this vendor once, at one show. He was definately shady or a federal sting operation. He had two different 80%s depending on how much material you wanted milled out of the rear of the receiver and he offered 3 distictly different LPKs. Anyway, I was interested in the idea of homebuilds but, it was about 2002 and I hadn't done enough research on them yet. I do remember the mag lock though. So, the idea and a few working prototypes were around well before the OLL movement was even thought of.

Scotty
08-11-2012, 9:07 AM
SB23 went into effect Jan. 1, 2000. Why do you have that as Dec. 31, 2000?