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Johnnyfres
08-07-2012, 12:09 PM
I just send a message to Adam Keigwan on Facebook letting him know my thoughts about SB 249. Adam is Yee's right hand man. Please be respectful and voice your opinions on it. State facts and do not threat.

https://www.facebook.com/keigwin

tpc13
08-07-2012, 1:09 PM
I already talked to him, he listened, but I felt that he just put the phone to his ear and already has his mind made up.

Drivedabizness
08-07-2012, 1:56 PM
I already talked to him, he listened, but I felt that he just put the phone to his ear and already has his mind made up.

Of course he does. His Facebook page refers to us a "crazies" (or some such) Did you really think you could reason with him?

When are you folks gonna get it? The other side comes in two flavors. True believers (who you will never convert because they don't want to honestly consider opposing views - it upsets their sense of balance) and the really corrupt pols who hate independent minded people who will not consent to being ruled by their "betters".

They, regrettably, can and must be defeated in the political arena, or the courts.

vantec08
08-07-2012, 2:41 PM
So "hey Keigwan - you suck the north end of a southbound horse" is a bit over the top?

ewarmour
08-07-2012, 2:44 PM
Why waste your time? His mind is made up, you can't confuse him with facts.

POLICESTATE
08-07-2012, 2:51 PM
You can't argue with someone who is convinced they are right and that any viewpoint other than their own is crazy to some extent.

vantec08
08-07-2012, 3:04 PM
Why waste your time? His mind is made up, you can't confuse him with facts.

The only thing that works for me any more is to humiliate the dummies.

POLICESTATE
08-07-2012, 3:11 PM
It's simple. People who engage is un-American activities need to be removed from office and any form of civil service. We need to resurrect elements of the House Un-American Activities Committee and clean things up a bit. It's that or at some point in the future, sooner rather than later mind you, the socialists will win and that's the end of the game folks.

What is un-American? It's simple:
Americans who seek to take away liberty and property from others are not true Americans. You cannot be an enemy of freedom and be an American.

Americans who are not self-reliant and depend on government to take care of them are not Americans. You cannot depend on government and be free.

Americans who put foreign interests above those of America and do things to the detriment of the country are not Americans. They are a contemptible lot who would even commit treason if the price was right.

How many so-called Americans fit into these 3 categories? Quite a few I'd imagine, especially in California, NYC and Washington DC.



I see no problem with people being anti-American, however we cannot let people like that dictate or participate in public policy matters. It's the only thing that will preserve our founding principles of liberty and justice for all.

Bruceisontarget
08-07-2012, 3:11 PM
You can't argue with someone who is convinced they are right and that any viewpoint other than their own is crazy to some extent.

I totally agree with this. It's an absolute waste of time to try to influence a political hack. It's better to contact reps that are afraid of your future vote.

SamsDX
08-07-2012, 3:40 PM
We need to resurrect elements of the House Un-American Activities Committee and clean things up a bit.

No matter how frustrating the gun grabbers can be, I cannot get behind this. That was a very dark period in our nation's history, and it does not need to be repeated. Just as much as we have a right to petition our government for redress, they do as well, and to stifle that activity with witch hunts, without mincing words, is unconstitutional. In the marketplace of ideas, I have faith that our notions of freedom, liberty, and right to self defense will win out, and failing that, we have the judicial system to which we can appeal our cause to at least limit the most egregious offenses. I know it's easy to lose confidence in our institutions, but another form of totalitarianism isn't the answer.

BluNorthern
08-07-2012, 3:44 PM
He refers to us as "gun crazies".
His postings reflect a total left ideologue....classic far left comments and postings.

Talking to this guy would be a waste of time. He feels he is above us, you can tell that from his tone.

His arrogance reminds me of Tom Ammiano. :mad:

POLICESTATE
08-07-2012, 3:51 PM
No matter how frustrating the gun grabbers can be, I cannot get behind this. That was a very dark period in our nation's history, and it does not need to be repeated. Just as much as we have a right to petition our government for redress, they do as well, and to stifle that activity with witch hunts, without mincing words, is unconstitutional. In the marketplace of ideas, I have faith that our notions of freedom, liberty, and right to self defense will win out, and failing that, we have the judicial system to which we can appeal our cause to at least limit the most egregious offenses. I know it's easy to lose confidence in our institutions, but another form of totalitarianism isn't the answer.

It got out of hand, I think we can do better to keep it under control. I don't think it's something we keep around, but a tool you bring out of the box only when you need it. Like getting a snake out to clean the crud out of your pipes.

I think there need to be some serious controls on such a tool though.

I look at it this way, the pendulum needs to swing back a ways, we've gone to far off kilter now. The democratic party leadership is socialist, the republican party leadership has skewed to the left a lot with all the damn RINOs.

It's that or it will be worse further down the road. Cancers must be removed early to save the patient and reduce the recovery period.

This isn't just about gun-grabbing, that's just one major facet of the socialist agenda, there is a lot of socialist crap that needs to be cleaned out. Socialism is the antithesis of what our founding principles are. Socialism is un-American at every level. EVERY level.

em9sredbeam
08-07-2012, 4:00 PM
There is no fixing stupid.

tpc13
08-07-2012, 4:28 PM
Well call him anyway just maybe he will get tied and listen.

glbtrottr
08-07-2012, 4:54 PM
I visited his facebook page; the guy is such a hypocrite, tool and self serving windbag I just don't see the investment in time worthwhile.

BluNorthern
08-07-2012, 4:57 PM
I visited his facebook page; the guy is such a hypocrite, tool and self serving windbag I just don't see the investment in time worthwhile.

Exactly.
He would probably get a thrill up his leg from us responding, and a chuckle.

His agenda is set.

Ryan in SD
08-07-2012, 5:32 PM
sent:

How does SB249 keep law abiding people safe from criminals? Criminals don't follow idiotic laws that ignorant, ideological, and or naive senators cook up. SB249 would only hurt law abiding citizens.

Do you support conceal carry permits for common citizens who are not felons or have a history of violence?

What is "common sense" about taking away civil rights?

What do you think law enforcement or our military would say if you tried to make them follow the same foolish laws that are already in place here in California? Or even this new proposed legislation?

At what point do you think the citizens are going to have enough of this and just disregard bogus laws? Oppression and tyranny from a nanny state is a real thing.

Please consider taking off the blindfold.

mrrsquared79
08-07-2012, 8:49 PM
sent:

How does SB249 keep law abiding people safe from criminals? Criminals don't follow idiotic laws that ignorant, ideological, and or naive senators cook up. SB249 would only hurt law abiding citizens.

Do you support conceal carry permits for common citizens who are not felons or have a history of violence?

What is "common sense" about taking away civil rights?

What do you think law enforcement or our military would say if you tried to make them follow the same foolish laws that are already in place here in California? Or even this new proposed legislation?

At what point do you think the citizens are going to have enough of this and just disregard bogus laws? Oppression and tyranny from a nanny state is a real thing.

Please consider taking off the blindfold.

As much as I like your message you sent him, its too up front and abrasive. :cool:

chris
08-07-2012, 9:04 PM
e need to resurrect elements of the House Un-American Activities Committee and clean things up a bit.


No matter how frustrating the gun grabbers can be, I cannot get behind this. That was a very dark period in our nation's history, and it does not need to be repeated. Just as much as we have a right to petition our government for redress, they do as well, and to stifle that activity with witch hunts, without mincing words, is unconstitutional. In the marketplace of ideas, I have faith that our notions of freedom, liberty, and right to self defense will win out, and failing that, we have the judicial system to which we can appeal our cause to at least limit the most egregious offenses. I know it's easy to lose confidence in our institutions, but another form of totalitarianism isn't the answer.

i'm sorry i disagree with you but POLICESTATE is right when it comes to this. we are witnessing the outright conifscation of legally purchased and configured firearms. this is no joke Yee and the democrats in this state are now letting us see EXACTLY their intention here. not like it was a secret but it's pretty blatant at this point.

what makes you think they will stop at our AR's AK's, FAL's and so on? they will never stop. your precious shotgun that you think is safe will be next. and that hunting rifle you prize so much because it's a family heirloom will be next. and your handguns they will be on the chopping block as well. we are seeing what the English and the Australians went through.

so yes it is time to resurect tht dark period in America to get these very well known unArmerican politicians.


sent:

How does SB249 keep law abiding people safe from criminals? Criminals don't follow idiotic laws that ignorant, ideological, and or naive senators cook up. SB249 would only hurt law abiding citizens.

Do you support conceal carry permits for common citizens who are not felons or have a history of violence?

What is "common sense" about taking away civil rights?

What do you think law enforcement or our military would say if you tried to make them follow the same foolish laws that are already in place here in California? Or even this new proposed legislation?

At what point do you think the citizens are going to have enough of this and just disregard bogus laws? Oppression and tyranny from a nanny state is a real thing.

Please consider taking off the blindfold.

dude i want to send this to them as well. can i steal it?

CitaDeL
08-07-2012, 11:48 PM
Well, you could tell Adam what you think...

Or, you could do something that could be more damaging... Like showering them with fawning adoration for taking a stand on gun control... appeal to their arrogance and affirm the righteousness of their actions. Given this amount of support has the potential of feeding their lust to take even more... into the realm of gluttony. Arrogance and gluttony are horrible vices with predictable side effects.

Drivedabizness
08-07-2012, 11:52 PM
It got out of hand, I think we can do better to keep it under control. I don't think it's something we keep around, but a tool you bring out of the box only when you need it. Like getting a snake out to clean the crud out of your pipes.

I think there need to be some serious controls on such a tool though.

I look at it this way, the pendulum needs to swing back a ways, we've gone to far off kilter now. The democratic party leadership is socialist, the republican party leadership has skewed to the left a lot with all the damn RINOs.

It's that or it will be worse further down the road. Cancers must be removed early to save the patient and reduce the recovery period.

This isn't just about gun-grabbing, that's just one major facet of the socialist agenda, there is a lot of socialist crap that needs to be cleaned out. Socialism is the antithesis of what our founding principles are. Socialism is un-American at every level. EVERY level.

Say what you will - the State Department WAS compromised with spies (anyone remember the Rosenbergs???) The tactics may have been flawed but let's remember the facts.

Fissssh
08-07-2012, 11:58 PM
Just looked at his FB page, he is another freakin carpetbagger from Massachusetts.

Note for the youngins:
Definition of CARPETBAGGER
1
: a Northerner in the South after the American Civil War usually seeking private gain under the reconstruction governments
2
: outsider; especially : a nonresident or new resident who seeks private gain from an area often by meddling in its business or politics

Here is another thorn in my/our side......
Born in Lowell, Massachusetts, DeSaulnier earned a Bachelor of Arts in History from the College of the Holy Cross. He traveled cross-country to California in the early 1970s and eventually settled in Concord.

Carnivore
08-08-2012, 12:05 AM
Can't say anything nice don't say anything at all. Glad you are a bigger man then I but I have nothing even decent to say so will have to wait till sb249 goes to court.

DannyInSoCal
08-08-2012, 12:15 AM
Your actions and position of the failed, delusional fantasy of "gun control" - Will be the reason I donate $1,000 to Mr Yee's opponent in the next election. Carry on...

DannyInSoCal
08-08-2012, 12:16 AM
Your actions and position of the failed, delusional fantasy of "gun control" - Will be the reason I donate $1,000 to Mr Yee's opponent in the next election. Carry on...

Wrangler John
08-08-2012, 5:03 AM
. . . the republican party leadership has skewed to the left a lot with all the damn RINOs. . .

That process started a long time ago with Theodore Roosevelt. Teddy wanted to judge the Constitution on moral grounds, introduce a graduated income tax, tax and control corporations, place an inheritance tax on wealthy families, elevate the Commerce Clause over states' rights, control wages, appoint socially progressive justices to the Supreme Court, have direct elections of senators and state primary elections, and of course lock up all natural resources under federal control. Might have been our first RINO. Although by today's standards, he would have been a conservative, if not quite a TEA Party activist.

BHPFan
08-08-2012, 5:19 AM
Can't say anything nice don't say anything at all. Glad you are a bigger man then I but I have nothing even decent to say so will have to wait till sb249 goes to court.

+1.

Ryan in SD
08-08-2012, 5:27 AM
As much as I like your message you sent him, its too up front and abrasive. :cool:

Sure, go ahead.

FalconLair
08-08-2012, 6:42 AM
a quick google search turned up:i get it that you can find a lot of stuff scrolling the internet nowadays, but, no one here feels it even slightly inappropriate to be giving out someones personal address, friend or foe, in a public forum???

If something ever came of it how would it look if it traced back to this forum?

Just saying :o

Dreaded Claymore
08-08-2012, 10:37 AM
We need to resurrect elements of the House Un-American Activities Committee and clean things up a bit. It's that or at some point in the future, sooner rather than later mind you, the socialists will win and that's the end of the game folks.

I hope you aren't serious. The House Un-American Activities Committee operated by taking away people's fundamental right to due process of law. Which, by the way, is un-American.

Almost all of the Communist threat was nothing more than a figment of people's imaginations. As they flailed against phantom Communists, they did a hundred times more damage to our society than the Soviet Union could ever hope to do.

Our traditions of protecting human rights, against tyranny of both governments and majorities, make the United States invincible to subversion from without. The enemies of freedom can only win by scaring us into destroying ourselves. Don't fall for it. :mad:

adampolo13
08-08-2012, 10:45 AM
Just looked at his FB page, he is another freakin carpetbagger from Massachusetts.

Note for the youngins:
Definition of CARPETBAGGER
1
: a Northerner in the South after the American Civil War usually seeking private gain under the reconstruction governments
2
: outsider; especially : a nonresident or new resident who seeks private gain from an area often by meddling in its business or politics

Here is another thorn in my/our side......
Born in Lowell, Massachusetts, DeSaulnier earned a Bachelor of Arts in History from the College of the Holy Cross. He traveled cross-country to California in the early 1970s and eventually settled in Concord.

I am a carpetbagger from MA too. Except I stand for the 2A and I believe in the constitution! Does that make me an OK carpetbagger???;)

Uxi
08-08-2012, 10:52 AM
I hope you aren't serious. The House Un-American Activities Committee operated by taking away people's fundamental right to due process of law. Which, by the way, is un-American.

Almost all of the Communist threat was nothing more than a figment of people's imaginations. As they flailed against phantom Communists, they did a hundred times more damage to our society than the Soviet Union could ever hope to do.

Wut? Venona showed that McCarthy, alcoholic bully that he was, was RIGHT. Communists and "fellow travellers" HAD infiltrated the FDR and Truman administrations and were prolific in Hollywood.

Dreaded Claymore
08-08-2012, 11:02 AM
Wut? Venona showed that McCarthy, alcoholic bully that he was, was RIGHT. Communists and "fellow travellers" HAD infiltrated the FDR and Truman administrations and were prolific in Hollywood.

Please explain to me how Communists can hurt anyone by infiltrating Hollywood.

Obviously it's dangerous to have agents of enemy nations working in U.S. government jobs. What I'm saying is that McCarthy, and people who thought like him, were even more dangerous.

In the United States, we punish people for what they do, not what they think. McCarthy wanted to change that. Ironically, this would have made the United States very similar to the Communist totalitarian nations that McCarthy claimed to hate so much.

Remember the Bible? Remember how Satan said to Jesus, "I will make you lord of the whole world, if you will only bow down and worship me?" If Jesus had thought like McCarthy, he'd have thought he could bring God's salvation to the world by taking Satan up on that offer. :facepalm:

Uxi
08-08-2012, 11:11 AM
Please explain to me how Communists can hurt anyone by infiltrating Hollywood.

Going after the means of communication was always one of their very first steps. Do you really need it explained how that's harmful? In a word: propaganda. We've been enjoying about 6-7 decades of it.


Obviously it's dangerous to have agents of enemy nations working in U.S. government jobs. What I'm saying is that McCarthy, and people who thought like him, were even more dangerous.


Non sequitur. They can both be independently dangerous (or not).

I agree, he was brutish and went about it the entirely wrong way. I'm just saying he was right in what he was saying. The Communists were a very real threat in that time frame, both externally and internally, and putting light on it wasn't bad. He was just entirely the wrong person to do so and the manner in which he conducted it was wrong, too.

masayako
08-08-2012, 11:15 AM
Here is Adam Keigwin's reply in Facebook (Sunday via Mobile):

"Sweet, the gun crazies have started spoof twitter accounts in my name. They must have forgot I have never received even a single vote for political office. #ShootingTheMessenger"

1859sharps
08-08-2012, 11:31 AM
Adam isn't elected. I can't see the value of contacting him at all.

human nature being what it is, odds are he will pick the most out there comments and hold them up as "these are the people who don't want this law to pass" with the insinuation that they are the very reason the law should pass.

I would put the pressure where it belongs, on the elected ones directly.

And as always, keep your frustration, anger, dislike etc in check. stay focused on simple messages that basically say "I disagree and I vote"

donw
08-08-2012, 11:54 AM
IMO, it's a waste of time to communicate with him; he's proven he's closed to the issue and he's basically, just yee's coffee boy, it is now going to be in the hands of the court if it passes and JB doesn't veto.

he's entitled to his opinions as are we.

keep in mind, people like yee, deleon, and such don't understand the difference between right and wrong, rational or irrational, moral or immoral...illegal to them means, "A sick bird"...

i also believe, it will pass...not being cynical...just being realistic..."They" have enormous time, effort and energy invested at this point, why would they give up now?

we need to bear down even HARDER...

i believe it will end up in court...hopefully, to be overthrown as JB may decide to sit this one out...if he does...we all know it will AUTOMATICALLY become law after so many days if not acted on.

BTW: 1859Sharps said it above, too...my sentiments exactly.

XD40SUBBIE
08-08-2012, 12:00 PM
I say let CGF do all the communicating and he will do the business as usual of back and forth. Personally communicating with him would be fruitless, you are not going to convince him he's wrong and if anything you may give him more ammo. Either by something he will call as "racist" or he will use the strategy as something he and his team has not thought of. In the legal business, more information, and first gains a lot of mileage. The more surprise they will be with the opposition and our ideas, the better it is for us.

m03
08-08-2012, 12:03 PM
Adam isn't elected. I can't see the value of contacting him at all.

human nature being what it is, odds are he will pick the most out there comments and hold them up as "these are the people who don't want this law to pass" with the insinuation that they are the very reason the law should pass.

I would put the pressure where it belongs, on the elected ones directly.

And as always, keep your frustration, anger, dislike etc in check. stay focused on simple messages that basically say "I disagree and I vote"

Best response in this thread thus far. Keigwan is insignificant. Let's treat him the way we'd like to be treated.

Dreaded Claymore
08-08-2012, 12:25 PM
And as always, keep your frustration, anger, dislike etc in check. stay focused on simple messages that basically say "I disagree and I vote"

I just did this. I told him that I didn't like his bill because it would create an ex post facto law, and those are anathema to the principles of a democratic republic.

Also, sorry for threadjacking this into a debate with POLICESTATE about police states. :D

curtisfong
08-08-2012, 12:27 PM
he's basically, just yee's coffee boy

Disagree.

Adam is running the Yee show. Bet on it. Yee has no idea what is going on.

Vlad 11
08-08-2012, 1:18 PM
It is futile to communicate with automatons. They can only regurgitate the messages they are programmed with.

skyscraper
08-08-2012, 1:22 PM
Why does anybody care who Adam Keigwin is? He's a receptionist.

POLICESTATE
08-08-2012, 1:50 PM
This socialist neophyte proofreads everything that Yee writes, etc... you'd be surprised how much influence and power these assistants can have. You think our elected representatives actually write down DETAILS? HAHA!

That's for little people like Adam Keigwin to take care of.

curtisfong
08-08-2012, 1:53 PM
You guys all underestimate how much influence staffers have. Trust me. *THEY* run the show. The politician is just a talking head.

Staffers interact with lobbyists, take their money

Staffers filter all correspondence from constituents

Staffers do all the legal groundwork

Staffers do all research

Staffers set up the meetings

Staffers set up PR events

Staffers coordinate with media

the list goes on and on.

winnre
08-08-2012, 2:10 PM
You need to tell him what he wants to hear at the same time as sending him your message. I sent him this:

SB249 is genius! Congratulations and best wishes! With love, Fidel.

POLICESTATE
08-08-2012, 2:26 PM
You need to tell him what he wants to hear at the same time as sending him your message. I sent him this:

SB249 is genius! Congratulations and best wishes! With love, Fidel.

Heh, I told him it didn't go far enough :D

I figure we might as well go all the way, I'm tired of two weeks, two weeks, two weeks; over months and years for this or that. The matter needs to be decided once and for all.

Wherryj
08-08-2012, 6:20 PM
Well, you could tell Adam what you think...

Or, you could do something that could be more damaging... Like showering them with fawning adoration for taking a stand on gun control... appeal to their arrogance and affirm the righteousness of their actions. Given this amount of support has the potential of feeding their lust to take even more... into the realm of gluttony. Arrogance and gluttony are horrible vices with predictable side effects.

Why would you want to do this? It's a well known adage that one must refrain from feeding the trolls. It only serves to encourage their behavior.

Wherryj
08-08-2012, 6:22 PM
Disagree.

Adam is running the Yee show. Bet on it. Yee has no idea what is going on.

Regardless of who is running the show, I'd agree that Yee has no idea what is going on.