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Mr.1904
08-04-2012, 12:09 PM
So there was the run in '08 because everyone thought that socialist obama was going to come breath fire all over the firearms industry and outlaw everything with the word 'gun' in it or anything associated with the word 'gun' - Well, it didn't happen, just the opposite happened and it actually put the firearms industry in an upward trend compared to some other industries out there. The firearms industry is prospering. New start up companies are popping up everywhere to try and meet the demand which is awesome in my eyes.

Now it's 2012 and we're at yet another election year. As soon as people in the industry realized this there was a pretty half winded attempt to recreate the same hysteria and fear they did in '08, but this time knowing how to play the game and maximize the potential of 'the gun grabber effect' as i'm calling it. I feel like the 2nd Amendment runs wayyyy too deep for either party to want to touch because people like ourselves are so deeply passionate about it. But either way this is Calguns and Left = Liberal = gun grabber.


So, ON THE FLIP SIDE: What happens if we get a person from the right elected? Does that fear subside? Will manufacturers still keep costs the same for the consumer without the reason of "The demand is too high because of the runs on guns and ammo". Or will things stay the same and people keep buying 1K of 5.56 at $400 or 500 rounds of .45 for $200. Supply and demand right? I started shooting not that long ago, about a year or two ago. But even then you could get a case of 9mm for UNDER $200 or a case of .45 for $300, cases of 5.56 were around $270-280. Since then prices have SKYROCKETED.

So without the politics to blame it on do you think ourselves as consumers have already set a watermark of what the manufacturers CAN sell their products for? Or, are the costs of the raw materials ACTUALLY that much more expensive that they have to keep costs basically the same to keep the same margins.

I know, demand goes up, so does the price. But using the political climate as a scapegoat is stupid in my opinion. And this is just on the manufacturing and distributing end of things. I know your LGS doesn't make that great of margin on their products either. It starts at the source.

Food for thought.

gunprofit
08-04-2012, 12:21 PM
I think import ammo plays a big part in ammo prices. If you have a pro-gun president that allows imports of guns, ammo, etc, we all benefit from lower prices. Especially with C&R type of firearms. When Obama stops and cuts off, as an example, M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, and the ammo to go with it, well you know what happens.

SilverTauron
08-04-2012, 12:53 PM
So there was the run in '08 because everyone thought that socialist obama was going to come breath fire all over the firearms industry and outlaw everything with the word 'gun' in it or anything associated with the word 'gun' - Well, it didn't happen, just the opposite happened and it actually put the firearms industry in an upward trend compared to some other industries out there. The firearms industry is prospering. New start up companies are popping up everywhere to try and meet the demand which is awesome in my eyes.

Now it's 2012 and we're at yet another election year. As soon as people in the industry realized this there was a pretty half winded attempt to recreate the same hysteria and fear they did in '08, but this time knowing how to play the game and maximize the potential of 'the gun grabber effect' as i'm calling it. I feel like the 2nd Amendment runs wayyyy too deep for either party to want to touch because people like ourselves are so deeply passionate about it. But either way this is Calguns and Left = Liberal = gun grabber.


So, ON THE FLIP SIDE: What happens if we get a person from the right elected? Does that fear subside? Will manufacturers still keep costs the same for the consumer without the reason of "The demand is too high because of the runs on guns and ammo". Or will things stay the same and people keep buying 1K of 5.56 at $400 or 500 rounds of .45 for $200. Supply and demand right? I started shooting not that long ago, about a year or two ago. But even then you could get a case of 9mm for UNDER $200 or a case of .45 for $300, cases of 5.56 were around $270-280. Since then prices have SKYROCKETED.

So without the politics to blame it on do you think ourselves as consumers have already set a watermark of what the manufacturers CAN sell their products for? Or, are the costs of the raw materials ACTUALLY that much more expensive that they have to keep costs basically the same to keep the same margins.

I know, demand goes up, so does the price. But using the political climate as a scapegoat is stupid in my opinion. And this is just on the manufacturing and distributing end of things. I know your LGS doesn't make that great of margin on their products either. It starts at the source.

Food for thought.

I doubt politics make that much of a difference. There are two direct factors outside of political events which influence supply and demand of ammo in recent years:

One, the increasing number of gun owners in America. Two, the overseas wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Depending on which State Department flunky you ask, we'll be ending both those conflicts very soon. Thus less ammo used and bought by the DoD, and thus more supply available to the open market. That should decrease prices a hair.

The second factor is why I doubt ammo will be decreasing in price much.Whether Romney or Obama gets elected, the die is cast on more people nationwide joining the legally armed community. More people buying arms=more demand for ammo against the same supply = higher prices.

Yugo
08-04-2012, 12:58 PM
I think its inflation more than anything else.

Mr.1904
08-04-2012, 1:47 PM
I think its inflation more than anything else.

Good point, didn't think to add that to be honest. But at the same time inflation hasn't risen THAT drastically in contrast to the percentage of price increase for ammo. I'm sure inflation played a part, but a pretty small part.

Gem1950
08-04-2012, 1:49 PM
So, Republican President = Cheaper ammo?


NO

Capybara
08-04-2012, 1:53 PM
One thing that many overlook are the costs and availability of metals used in ammo manufacture. While there have not been huge shortages, almost anything made with a lot of metal has gone up in cost over the past few years.

Global recession = lower sales for most manufacturers of anything so costs have been raised to try to mitigate the losses from lower volumes of business.

While I think availability of ammo will loosen (it actually already has from the Spring), I don't see costs going down, probably ever. As one other poster pointed out, millions of new shooters will be accustomed to these high costs and will just chalk it up to "shooting is expensive". It is only people who have been shooting for a few years or longer that see the insane spiral upward in ammo prices and gun prices too.

5shot
08-04-2012, 6:13 PM
I think the price of metals has a whole lot to do with it, along with transportation costs. That's why you see companies like Hornady now using steel cases for lower priced loads. In recent years the price of copper is 4 times what it was just a few years ago. Brass and lead have also gone up in price.
Four years ago gas was around $1.85, so now transportation and energy costs are up.
I could see costs going back down some if the economy gets better, and metal and gas prices go back down.

safewaysecurity
08-04-2012, 6:15 PM
Not if they start another war.

Kappy
08-04-2012, 6:33 PM
The prices of raw materials may have gone up, but not in keeping with the actual prices. It has nothing to do with who is in the Oval Office. It has nothing to do with military contacts. I think it is all a pretext to charge more for the same product.

Intimid8tor
08-04-2012, 6:48 PM
We (the people) drive ammo prices up. When a website can sell 200 cases of .223 in 10 minutes at $450/K, we are to blame.

My guess is that if Romney wins ammo prices will stay flat as long as cost of goods stays flat. If Obama goes for round 2, prices will go up for the fear that with nothing to lose, he will push his agenda harder.

People are used to paying what they are paying. Mfg and retailers aren't gonna drop prices if their stock is moving.

Kokopelli
08-04-2012, 7:03 PM
The biggest factor is the value of the dollar.

dctex99
08-04-2012, 7:05 PM
And you can count on Obama getting back in....Romney will get hell when he releases his taxes,, and NOT a good choice for VP(altho better than idiot Palen) so Obama will buy his way back in easily...WITH an 8% unemployment rate even!!! Sad

DarkSoul
08-04-2012, 7:24 PM
Also look at the raw chemical materials, one of the member here posted up some info that stated that several of the ingredients in primers were only available from China, along with transportation costs going up, and China's emerging middle class (stuff getting more expensive out of china) that as well will add to the cost.

theicecreamdan
08-04-2012, 8:19 PM
No, we've already shown that we're willing to pay this much. Why would they ask for less?

5shot
08-04-2012, 8:25 PM
No, we've already shown that we're willing to pay this much. Why would they ask for less?

Same with anything else. You want to sell more ammo then the other companies, you sell it cheaper.

Capybara
08-04-2012, 9:40 PM
If somehow this proposed Internet Ammo Ban gains any traction, you will see ammo prices go through the roof. The obvious intent is to remove inexpensive Internet vendors out of the loop, making your LGS your only ammo source. Imagine what LGSs will charge if there is no more SG Ammo, Natchez, Brownells and Cabelas to compete with on price? Plus all of the regulation, hassle and reporting to buy ammo?

smle-man
08-04-2012, 9:56 PM
I think the price of metals has a whole lot to do with it, along with transportation costs. That's why you see companies like Hornady now using steel cases for lower priced loads. In recent years the price of copper is 4 times what it was just a few years ago. Brass and lead have also gone up in price.
Four years ago gas was around $1.85, so now transportation and energy costs are up.
I could see costs going back down some if the economy gets better, and metal and gas prices go back down.

If the economy improves, commodity prices will skyrocket as will ammo prices.

CDFingers
08-05-2012, 8:19 AM
There many pro gun organizations who have been hyping and misrepresenting things. We know them. Aesop knew them as the kids who cried wolf.

They cry wolf because they rely on "donations" to keep their .orgs running and to keep the six figure salaries for their admins.

These .orgs have done a huge disservice to gun owners because too many of us refuse to get the facts, relying instead on the misrepresented hype of these .orgs.

If someone from the right is elected, then these .orgs will immediately hoist another straw man to keep their members afraid. We saw the UN Treaty used for this. So, if someone from the right is elected (Intrade bets heavily against this), nothing will change. Some new enemy will surface out of the depths of misrepresentation.

For people who don't research the facts, fear is their drug. They like to feel afraid, and they think sending yet more money to an .org will assuage that fear. This will increase demand, which will drive up prices.

One born every minute, and another born to take advantage of the first.

CDFingers

a1c
08-05-2012, 10:28 AM
Ha!

No.

SDM44
08-05-2012, 1:15 PM
Cost of materials are going up.
Cost of transportation & fuel is going up.
Cost of labor may go up, when the cost of living does.

Cost of ammo goes up.

Nodda Duma
08-05-2012, 1:31 PM
Demand will drop and costs will go down. I've seen that while following prices of certain firearms on GB since pre-Obama days. Prices rose sharply after the election, peaked in 2009 and have rolled off ever since.

Ammo will do the same thing to some extent, but it will really be a function of the economy (it's the economy, stupid). The economy has been driving the price of everything, with secondary effects on ammo prices. If/As we get further from perceived national economic catastrophe, people won't feel as urgent a need to prep. Will there be a correlation with Romney's election? Only if the theory that he will turn the economy around holds true.

a1c
08-05-2012, 1:56 PM
It's a very complicated question. Which is why everyone's got an opinion, and why few agree on what's gonna happen. Truth is, no one really knows. Just like for oil prices. You can predict a general trend over the next decade (up), but in the short term, there are a lot of moving parts.

Curley Red
08-06-2012, 8:29 AM
Four years ago gas was around $1.85, so now transportation and energy costs are up.

And a year before that we were paying $5 a gallon.