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USMCM16A2
06-10-2007, 04:29 PM
Gents,


I was just watching several film clips of Carolyn McCarthy explaining her rational for the proposed assault Weapons Ban and I have come to a conclusion. A conclusion that most of us already knew, she has no idea what she is banning. Furthermore it has nothing to do with public safety, it is raw, painful emotion that fuels this fit of legislative stupidity.
What I mean by the above statement, is that her husband was killed in a New York subway some years ago, in a robbery that went bad. She was there, and that any logic we as firearms owners try to apply to her motivation for writing such legislation is useless. She like Finestein, were involved in crimes that involved firearms, (Finestein was in office when Harvey Milk was killed). These are people that cannot be reached, cannot be made to understand what motivates us as firearms enthusiasts.
All they see are that firearms are useless death machines, that kill people.
What we see in a hunter who has enjoyed in his time afield, and taken a great trophy, people like McCarthy see someone who has just blown away a beautiful animal of the forest. Some who enjoy going to the shooting range, to punch paper and steel, are pictured as bloody group practicing for the Apocolypse.
We are people who enjoy a sport that has many different facets, from the hunter, to the collector, the fella that enjoys fine antique black powder firearms to the guy who collects AK47 rifles (when it was legal in California).
We are not a group of people that are going out killing people or planning for the end of the world.
As I sit here writing this diatribe, I was at the gunshow last week in Costa Mesa, and I was talking to another enthusiast, and the topic was perception.
We as a group are portrayed by the liberal media in the terms I described, but what I saw in line last week gave me a true understanding of who we are as firearms enthusiasts. I saw a large group of people that enjoy a sport, a hobby, a passion. Groups of men and women acting like kids, thrilled about the thought of getting in and buying what they want. Thrilled like we used to be when we young when the circus came to town. Thrilled about trading or selling a rifle so they could buy another rifle that they really want, like we used to do with baseball cards.
Firearms to us are an outlet, a way to escape the reality of our daily grind, a way to meet and socialize with like minded folk. In a life that grows increasingly complicated and does more to separate people than bring them together,our hobby, passion, gives a chance to participate and be human beings.
I believe that it is our duty as members of the shooting fraternity to put our best face forward, but stay true to our goals. People like McCarthy CANNOT be changed, it is perception that must be changed. We are doing it by joining the NRA, CRPA. And we must keep up the fight, because it is not just a war to keep our firearms, it is a war of perception.


Thanks, USMCM16A2

MIKEUSMC2005
06-10-2007, 04:37 PM
They don't understand that there will always be evil people and that evil people will do evil things.

Iv'e read there were 30,000 gun related deaths last year. How many are from gangs and criminals, mostly all.

What's not mentioned is the 460,000 people that used a firearms in self defense.

Figures don't lie, but liers figure.

xenophobe
06-10-2007, 04:46 PM
Unless SCOTUS strikes down Parker, assault weapon bans on the federal level are dead in the water with no chance of actually being implemented.

USMCM16A2
06-10-2007, 04:56 PM
Xenophobe,


I am in complete agreement. I believe we are at an important time in our history, in the battle for the 2nd Amendment. If the Parker case does go to SCOTUS, and there is a favorable ruling you will see a many laws be overturned. All of us here know that the 2nd Amendment is an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT.
We here in California have the HUNT case that could make state history, if the ruling goes our way. Harrot vs Kings was a watershed in the AR15-AK47, resurgence seen in California. So there is alot going on right now. Thanks, USMCM16A2:D:D:D

bwiese
06-10-2007, 05:10 PM
We here in California have the HUNT case that could make state history


Hunt is useful, but not a be-all/end-all: it is merely means to an end.

HR1022 does not have a chance of flying given current Senate/Congress composition.

In addition, wavering on-the-fencers can point to their support of the recent (NRA- supported) "don't sell guns to crazies" bill as their efforts for "gun safety" and avoid supporting HR1022...

simonov
06-10-2007, 05:53 PM
Unless SCOTUS strikes down Parker, assault weapon bans on the federal level are dead in the water with no chance of actually being implemented.

SCOTUS striking down Parker won't really mean much, it will just bring us back to where we are now.

HR1022 isn't going anywhere, and not because anyone in Congress actually gives a damn about the Second Amendment.

hoffmang
06-10-2007, 06:44 PM
Siminov,

You should read my 14th amendment thread. Parker may move certain things far more quickly than you expect. The bottom line is that Kozinsky and Reinhardt agree that the 2nd amendment is easier to incorporate than even the 1st was.

-Gene

DrjonesUSA
06-11-2007, 08:24 AM
All they see are that firearms are useless death machines, that kill people.



Funny how they view firearms differently when they are in the hands of the government.....

Great post!

M. Sage
06-11-2007, 07:22 PM
All they see are that firearms are useless death machines, that kill people.

Call me cynical, but I don't believe for a moment that's what they see at all. I believe they see firearms as their meal ticket. IMO, they don't really care about it either way, they just want to SEEM like they do.

If they did give a damn in either direction, they would study the subject, and become educated about it. Like you pointed out, Ms. McCarthy (ironic name, no? I always think so: engaged in an un-Constitutional witch hunt) knows diddly about firearms. If she was sincere in her "guns are bad!" thinking, she would have studied them; the ways that they're bad, the things that make them bad. Instead, she's got a bunch of fluff that she spews, hoping nobody will care to research either, and not knowing she can just tug on heartstrings to make those morons ignore the people who stand up and say "wait a minute, you don't know what you're talking about!"

Sick part of that is, if I'm right (and I'd bet everything I've got on it), McCarthy's used her husband's blood to oil her political money machine. Freaking disgusting.

Rhys898
06-11-2007, 09:45 PM
Sick part of that is, if I'm right (and I'd bet everything I've got on it), McCarthy's used her husband's blood to oil her political money machine. Freaking disgusting.

Wouldn't be at all suprising to me. I'd say 99.9 percent of career politicians are whores for the dollar. They'd sell you their children for your vote if thats what it took to get re-elected.

Jer

xenophobe
06-11-2007, 09:58 PM
SCOTUS striking down Parker won't really mean much, it will just bring us back to where we are now.

Incorrect. As of right now, Parker has already been decided and the federal government is bound to the ruling. That means, right now, if HR1022 were passed and signed, any party wishing to contest it would most likely be granted the injunction.

If SCOTUS upholds the original decision, then HR1022 if passed and signed into law would stand pretty much unchallenged and trying to get an injunction against it would be impossible.


...the 2nd amendment is easier to incorporate than even the 1st was.

Yup. Any honest look into the origins of the 14th Amendment would have no choice but to agree that the 14th was designed to protect 2nd Amendment rights.

billym
06-12-2007, 04:29 PM
What I mean by the above statement, is that her husband was killed in a New York subway some years ago, in a robbery that went bad. She was there,

Thanks, USMCM16A2

That is not correct. She was not there at the time; her son was. He was crippled by the incident. It was not a robbery it was a random mass shooting by a gunman on a LIRR train.
You are right that it was he sole motivation to become a Congresswoman.
She is so blindly biased by her loss that she is on a crusade. She knows nothing about guns except she thinks that are evil. "Barrel Shroud...":confused:
If NYC allowed CCW then I wonder how many citizens would have killed Colin Ferguson.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Ferguson