Jimmy Kimmel et al 12280(a) violation depicted..

[bwiese]

Call Alison, we may have a 12280(a) violation, as this appears to be public sidewalk. Even if on private property, it'd require the express permission of the owner.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/h18w777/32907898vp0.jpg


"Paris Hilton look alike Natalie Reid holds an assault rifle in front of media while taping a skit for the Jimmy Kimmel Live! show in front of the home of Paris Hilton Thursday, June 7, 2007, in Los Angeles."

[SemiAutoSam]

No possibility that its a Registered so called assault Rifle ?

Hollywood goof with a **** eatin grin on her face.
Thinking to herself No I wouldn't know how to shoot this thing I can barely carry it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/h18w777/32907898vp0.jpg

[bwiese]

No possibility that its a Registered so called assault Rifle ?

Registered AW or not, it's in violation of 'specific destination' & locked transit statutes.

Totally aside from any 'brandishing' issues, while a normal non-AW rifle can be transported readily (as long as unloaded), an AW must be locked up. Furthermore, if the AW is on someone else's property it must be w/express permission of owner. [This is the reason you can't visit your buddy's rental apt or house with an AW unles not only your buddy gives express permission, but the landlord/owner does too!]

[CCWFacts]

Strong possibility that it's a prop or an airsoft?

[wilit]

$100 says it's an airsoft.

[Cato]

We need a spokesperson for the off list lower cause!

[SemiAutoSam]

Thats possable or even a dummy lower receiver.

Strong possibility that it's a prop or an airsoft?

[CCWFacts]

It's gotta be a prop / airsoft. Forget about all the AW legal issues, there is what appears to be a suppressor on the end of the thing. The legal problems of that make AW technicalities the least of the problems.

[gunsnrovers]

Most likely prop or airsoft. Be VERY surprised if it's not.

[bwiese]

Forget about all the AW legal issues, there is what appears to be a suppressor on the end of the thing. The legal problems of that make AW technicalities the least of the problems.

Yeah, but there's a lotta assclowns that put dummy/fake suppressors on their rifles, including OLL stuff.

[Fate]

BWO got popped for rifles that LOOKED like they could be AWs. "Bring her in boys and let's do a cavity search just to make sure." :clown:

[Socal858]

look at that sissy camera hippie lean away from her and the airsoft LOL

[Liberty1]

Not that I go to the DOJ for much info. but this is a consideration: http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/forms/pdf/cfl.pdf

SB 231 (Stats. 2004, ch. 606) (Scott)
C Establishes the Entertainment Firearms Permit and allows any person who is at least
21 years of age to apply for this permit. The DOJ shall issue a permit only if records
indicate that the applicant is not prohibited from possessing or receiving firearms.
This permit is valid for one year, and exempts the holder from the DROS process
when possessing/receiving a firearm for use solely as a prop in a motion picture,
television, video, theatrical, or other entertainment production or event (PC § 12081).
C Changes the provisions that traditionally have exempted loans of firearms for video
production or other entertainment events from firearms dealer transfer requirements.
The exemption now applies only if the person loaning the firearm is not a federally
licensed firearms dealer. If the person loaning the firearm is a federally licensed
firearms dealer (including California-licensed firearms dealers) the party receiving
the firearm must either have a federal firearms license or an Entertainment Firearms
Permit (PC § 12078).
C Some weapons or items, such as assault weapons and machineguns, require a separate
DOJ-issued dangerous weapon permit or license.

If Paris was issued a permit it would be public information. If she was not this should be investigated and the photo considered probable cause to issue a warrant! Yea! More jail time for Paris. Hay Matt, ya ever have a cell mate that looked like that!

On a serious note, if the Sheriff did not investigate based on this photo, provided someone sends it to the Sheriff's detective unit or DOJ, would it perhaps give Matt's attorney some ammo?

[Scarecrow Repair]

On a serious note, if the Sheriff did not investigate based on this photo, provided someone sends it to the Sheriff's detective unit or DOJ, would it perhaps give Matt's attorney some ammo?

Where would civic-minded citizens send such information?

[xenophobe]

Registered AW or not, it's in violation of 'specific destination' & locked transit statutes.

Totally aside from any 'brandishing' issues, while a normal non-AW rifle can be transported readily (as long as unloaded), an AW must be locked up. Furthermore, if the AW is on someone else's property it must be w/express permission of owner. [This is the reason you can't visit your buddy's rental apt or house with an AW unles not only your buddy gives express permission, but the landlord/owner does too!]

Unless the owner has a AW Permit specifically for entertainment purposes.

[bwiese]

Unless the owner has a AW Permit specifically for entertainment purposes.

Yep, and I somehow doubt that.

Also, there'd have to be an exemption for such a location. This was not a formal permitted movie shoot, it was an impromptu photo op with a Paris impersonator. I don't think a single CA AW *permit* allows traipsing down the street with an AW just because it'd make a cute pic.

[taloft]

Come on Bill, we all know that state gun laws are not applicable to the social elite.:p:D

[CitaDeL]

Okay- let's assume that its a 'replica' or an 'airsoft' weapon.

If this display of a 'immitation' firearm wasnt in conjunction of a televison production it would be illegal... So there is no violation of the law-- if the thing is a phony.

12550. As used in this article, the following definitions apply: (a) "BB device" is defined in subdivision (g) of Section 12001. (b) "Firearm" is defined in subdivision (b) of Section 12001. (c) "Imitation firearm" means any BB device, toy gun, replica of a firearm, or other device that is so substantially similar in coloration and overall appearance to an existing firearm as to lead a reasonable person to perceive that the device is a firearm.

12556.
(a) No person may openly display or expose any imitation firearm, as defined in Section 12550, in a public place.

(b) Violation of this section, except as provided in subdivision (c), is an infraction punishable by a fine of one hundred dollars ($100) for the first offense, and three hundred dollars ($300) for a second offense.

(c) A third or subsequent violation of this section is punishable as a misdemeanor.

(d) Subdivision (a) shall not apply to the following, when the imitation firearm is:
(1) Packaged or concealed so that it is not subject to public viewing.

(2) Displayed or exposed in the course of commerce, including commercial film or video productions, or for service, repair, or restoration of the imitation firearm.

(3) Used in a theatrical production, a motion picture, video, television, or stage production.

(4) Used in conjunction with a certified or regulated sporting event or competition.

(5) Used in conjunction with lawful hunting, or lawful pest control activities.

(6) Used or possessed at certified or regulated public or private shooting ranges.

(7) Used at fairs, exhibitions, expositions, or other similar activities for which a permit has been obtained from a local or state government.

(8) Used in military, civil defense, or civic activities, including flag ceremonies, color guards, parades, award presentations, historical reenactments, and memorials.

(9) Used for public displays authorized by public or private schools or displays that are part of a museum collection.

(10) Used in parades, ceremonies, or other similar activities for which a permit has been obtained from a local or state government.

(11) Displayed on a wall plaque or in a presentation case.

(12) Used in areas where the discharge of a firearm is lawful.

(13) A device where the entire exterior surface of the device is white, bright red, bright orange, bright yellow, bright green, bright blue, bright pink, or bright purple, either singly or as the predominant color in combination with other colors in any pattern, or where the entire device is constructed of transparent or translucent materials which permits unmistakable observation of the device's complete contents. Merely having an orange tip as provided in federal law and regulations does not satisfy this requirement. The entire surface must be colored or transparent or translucent.

(e) For purposes of this section, the term "public place" means an area open to the public and includes streets, sidewalks, bridges, alleys, plazas, parks, driveways, front yards, parking lots, automobiles, whether moving or not, and buildings open to the general public, including those that serve food or drink, or provide entertainment, and the doorways and entrances to buildings or dwellings.
(f) Nothing in this section shall be construed to preclude prosecution for a violation of Section 171b, 171.5, or 626.10.

[m1371]

If Paris was issued a permit it would be public information. If she was not this should be investigated and the photo considered probable cause to issue a warrant! Yea! More jail time for Paris.

Dude, go re-read the original post.

"Paris Hilton look alike Natalie Reid holds an assault rifle in front of media while taping a skit for the Jimmy Kimmel Live! show in front of the home of Paris Hilton Thursday, June 7, 2007, in Los Angeles."

[ChrisSig]

(3) Used in a theatrical production, a motion picture, video, television, or stage production.


So basically my buddies and I could just videotape our airsoft adventures for a "video production" and it would be legit? (I don't airsoft, this is just hypothetical.)

"Yes, officer, we are re-enacting a downed pilot extraction behind enemy lines, using these realistic airsoft guns, for a video production! See, my buddy has the camcorder!"

[leelaw]

So basically my buddies and I could just videotape our airsoft adventures for a "video production" and it would be legit? (I don't airsoft, this is just hypothetical.)

"Yes, officer, we are re-enacting a downed pilot extraction behind enemy lines, using these realistic airsoft guns, for a video production! See, my buddy has the camcorder!"
Be sure to post the vid of "my buddies and I being arrested" on Youtube.

[ChrisSig]

Aw, you're such a killjoy. :'(

[CitaDeL]

So basically my buddies and I could just videotape our airsoft adventures for a "video production" and it would be legit? (I don't airsoft, this is just hypothetical.)

"Yes, officer, we are re-enacting a downed pilot extraction behind enemy lines, using these realistic airsoft guns, for a video production! See, my buddy has the camcorder!"

I dont want to spend any more time and effort on this than its worth,... but since the Paris Hilton look-alike wasnt reported, detained, or arrested it would be logical to deduce that the TV production informed law enforcement of their intent or had some form of permission from the city or State to do their TV production using the imitation firearm.

There also may be a expectation that your video production would be for commercial purposes, not private use. I would have to do more research on this to have a more definate answer--- since this has no practical use in my day to day wanderings I'll defer to real lawyers and people who care about this.

[rkt88edmo]

Don't worry Jimmy, I will take care of Sarah while you are gone.

[CALI-gula]

I dont want to spend any more time and effort on this than its worth,... but since the Paris Hilton look-alike wasnt reported, detained, or arrested it would be logical to deduce that the TV production informed law enforcement of their intent or had some form of permission from the city or State to do their TV production using the imitation firearm.

There also may be a expectation that your video production would be for commercial purposes, not private use. I would have to do more research on this to have a more definate answer--- since this has no practical use in my day to day wanderings I'll defer to real lawyers and people who care about this.

Likely the case? Lawyers conferred, producer approval, city permits obtained, local authorities notified, certificates of insurance sent to the city/county, AND it was a prop.

This isn't high school film 101 or some guying filming his kid's bah mitzvah - this is a big studio with many individual people each operating a piece of the project as if on an assembly line of film production, no matter the task of how big or how small, to make sure nothing is missed, ALL just to make the incident LOOK like it was impromptu, candid, and off-the-cuff.

Due to the fear of being sued now days, nothing in film or TV production is very impulsive any more, everything is scripted, and everything to be done gets reviewed by lawyers and the insurance company for approval under general liability, production coverage, and errors & omissions media liability. It's never as immediate as it might look, even if just stills used for film/TV.

The days of Alan Funt are long gone - and even then he had releases, waivers, clearances, and a good reputation, in a society that was less looking to sue anyone for anything just to get rich. :(

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[Giovani X]

Jimmy works, for Mousechwitz (a.k.a.) Disney, they not only had the proper permits, it's standard for the production manager to hire at least two retired and or off-duty officers on the location to control the flow of trafic and run security opperations. It is very possible that an Armorer was on hand but, most likley , it was airsoft and the prop dept can handle those as long as the permits have been filed, and an officer is avalible on the location in plain site of public witness.

[Piper]

She should have been wearing camoflage. You know, tight camoflage tanktop and tight daisy dukes........ :drool5:

Yeah, now not only can I be labeled a cop hater, but now I'm a pervert and a cop hater. :kest:

I guess I watched too many episodes of "The Man Show".

[M1A Rifleman]

In addition to the AW charge, how about a Fed and State charge for illegal possession of a silencer???

[DrjonesUSA]

Hey, at least she's got her finger off the trigger....

So how does hollywood deal with the myriad AW laws while filming?

I'd guess they are flatly ignored and nobody bothers to attempt enforcement....

[M1A Rifleman]

Hey, at least she's got her finger off the trigger....

So how does hollywood deal with the myriad AW laws while filming?

I'd guess they are flatly ignored and nobody bothers to attempt enforcement....

As I understand it, they no longer fillm much in the USA, especially CA. Many of the newer shoot em-up gun type movies are filmed in other countries. The choice to film elsewhere Aaso has something to do with labor laws, insurance, and taxes. So it not just BIG business that is leaving the USA :mad:

[tombkeeper]

That rifle is an airsoft, I rented it to that show. Even the PVS 14 in the back of the scope is fake.

[tombkeeper]

Here is the culprit...