baca sure knows justice [Archive]

gn3hz3ku1*

06-10-2007, 11:05 AM

why couldn't he give the rest of us one? because i didnt end up in a few voilent movies but "wasted" a few years serving a greater cause?

"Other episodes could feature Baca renewing the pistol permits he issued to Sylvester Stallone and Ben Affleck. Baca could reminisce about the Mel Gibson controversy, when a deputy was pressured to excise the actor's anti-Semitic remarks from an arrest report. The cameras could follow Baca as he toadies at the Academy Awards and the Golden Globes."

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2007/06/10/2007-06-10_sheriff_has_reality_all_of_his_own-1.html

markymark

06-10-2007, 12:17 PM

I wonder if we could see whom Baca has granted CCW permits to and use it against him.

CCWFacts

06-10-2007, 12:41 PM

I wonder if we could see whom Baca has granted CCW permits to and use it against him.

No need to wonder. CCW records are public records. Write a letter to Sheriff Baca and ask him for a list of all outstanding CCWs issued by his department. Include a phrase like "I am making this request pursuant to the California Public Records Act GOVT. CODE §§ 6250 - 6276.48". This reference sheet summarizes it on one page:

http://www.thefirstamendment.org/publicrecordsact.pdf

The list of CCWs issued by the sheriff is a public records. See: CBS v. Block (http://californiaccw.org/files/cbs-v-block.html). You might even print that out and include it with your letter, so they have it for convenient reference if they have any question about whether the CCW list is public or not.

By the way, Ben Affleck is an open advocate of gun rights and is openly pro-CCW, so we should all respect him for that. Many stars in Hollywood own guns, but few take a pro-gun-rights stance. Ben Affleck is one of the few.

M. Sage

06-10-2007, 12:46 PM

If you do the above, be sure to send it Registered.

That way, it won't get "lost in the mail."

CCWFacts

06-10-2007, 12:53 PM

GOOD POINT! Although, to be specific, you need to send it certified, not registered. Certified gives you proof of mailing and proof of delivery, but it goes along with all the regular mail. That's exactly what you need for a business letter like this. Registered does not go with the regular mail. Registered goes under lock and key. Registered is more expensive and slower. Registered is specifically for sending valuable items. Registered items can be insured up to a fairly high dollar value. Registered is more expensive and slower than certified, and for something like this, there is no need for it. Registered is only relevant when you combine it with insurance, and you can't insure a letter.

So, yes, definitely send all such correspondence by certified mail. The address to send it to is:

Leroy D. Baca, Sheriff
Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department
4700 Ramona Blvd.
Monterey Park, CA 91754

From: http://www.lasd.org/contact_us/index.html

And on the subject of sending mail:

1. DO send all correspondence relating to this type of thing by certified mail.
2. DO NOT contact them by phone regarding this.
3. DO NOT contact them by email regarding this.

If you violate rules 2 and 3 you will look like a clueless and powerless person and they will treat you as such.

M. Sage

06-10-2007, 01:00 PM

Oops, my bad.

CCWFacts

06-10-2007, 01:08 PM

Oops, my bad.

I make a point of registered vs. certified because it is easy to confuse the two, and people talk about sending tax returns, etc, by registered mail. Registered really is for sending valuable items, not documents, so if documents show up by registered, it tells the recipient, "this person isn't familiar with this whole process." These little details make a difference in how seriously they take you.

M. Sage

06-10-2007, 04:11 PM

Yeah, I understand.

I just confused the two, cause I'm unfamiliar with the process... :o I just know that there is a process.

Thanks for correcting me!

CCWFacts

06-10-2007, 05:37 PM

Who wants to send it?

Joe Dude
123 Elm St
Los Angeles CA

Leroy D. Baca, Sheriff
Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department
4700 Ramona Blvd.
Monterey Park, CA 91754

VIA CERTIFIED MAIL

Dear Sir:

The purpose of this letter is to make a request to your department for information pursuant to the California Public Records Act (PRA), GOVT. CODE §§ 6250 - 6276.48. According to the PRA, records of county government entities, including sheriffs' departments, are generally public records. According to the CBS v Block ruling (see attached), Concealed Carry of Weapons (CCW) application, issuance and renewal records are public records for the purposes of §§ 6250 - 6276.48.

According to recent media reports, one Sylvester Stallone, a resident of Los Angeles County, has a CCW issued by your office. I am writing to request the Concealed Carry of a Weapon (CCW) application record for Mr. Stallone. Please include pages 3 through 13 (inclusive) of the application.

Information to be made available includes "any writing, picture,sound, or symbol, whether paper,…, magnetic or other media." (§ 6252(e)) Please also include a color copy of the photograph from Mr. Stallone's CCW application.

Finally, please include copies of any letters, such as approval letters or renewal letters, which related to Mr. Stallone's CCW application, either from your office to Mr. Stallone, or received by your office from Mr. Stallone.

According to the Public Records Act, your office may charge statutory duplication fees for these records, usually in the range of $0.10 to $0.25 per page. I expect that the number of pages of records involved will be small, so duplication fees in this matter will be small. Please send me a bill along with the records and I will pay promptly.

The Public Records Act requires you to respond within ten days, and I do not expect any delays.

Please address all responses to me by mail at my address above.

Thank you for your assistance.

Sincerely,

Print out and include a copy of CBS v Block (http://californiaccw.org/files/cbs-v-block.html), just for fun.

CCWFacts

06-10-2007, 06:14 PM

And about the duplication fees: The app itself is 13 pages. Assuming that there are 20 pages of back-and-forth letters (approval letters, renewal notices, etc) and attachments, we're looking about about 35 pages of records, tops. If they charge 0.25 per page (the max they can charge), the fee is going to be $8.75. Cheap!

Someone could go through and do this for ALL of LA County's records. There are about 1,400 CCWs issued by the sheriff, so the total fees to get all the records might go as high as $10,000 or so. It would be very interesting, but not cheap. At some point when I have the money I might go ahead do this though.

pnkssbtz

06-10-2007, 06:48 PM

Screw Baca, I want to know more about Deputy Anel Manriquez...

Crazed_SS

06-10-2007, 06:50 PM

Without seeing Stallone's CCW app, I can tell you right now why he has a permit. His good cause is probably something along the lines of, "Since I'm a high profile movie star with millions of dollars, someone might want to harm me. I need a permit to protect myself"

XDshooter

06-10-2007, 07:11 PM

CSDGuy

06-10-2007, 07:16 PM

It IS possible that Mr. Stallone has received many credible death threats... due to his status as a multimillionaire / actor / high profile person.

Kestryll

06-10-2007, 07:41 PM

So how exactly does one start a recall or better still ask for a Federal investigation?

This guy is such a sorry excuse for a Sheriff.

Fate

06-10-2007, 07:55 PM

So how exactly does one start a recall or better still ask for a Federal investigation?

This guy is such a sorry excuse for a Sheriff.

It's already started! http://www.recallbaca.com/

Paladin

06-11-2007, 10:05 AM

It's already started! http://www.recallbaca.com/
Glad to hear!

I saw that Rev. Al Sharpton will be on FOXNews' "The O'Reilley Factor" today (Monday). If Sharpton gets his base fired up re unequal justice under the law (e.g., Baca tried giving Paris home detention despite the judge specifically writting that she was not to, whereas Sharpton's people get jail time), a recall really could work. Getting African-Americans and Hispanics on board to recall Baca because of his discrimination and corruption is critical to success.

Be sure to pass infor re the recall effort on to other liberty, pro-2nd A, pro-CCW forums and African-American and Hispanic forums.

shark92651

06-11-2007, 11:47 AM

I'll send in that request to find out if Stallone has applied for a CCW. I would love to show what hypocrite he is, seeing as how he has recently shown his public support for the Brady bunch.

tiki

06-11-2007, 11:50 AM

I'll send in that request to find out if Stallone has applied for a CCW. I would love to show what hypocrite he is, seeing as how he has recently shown his public support for the Brady bunch.

So, he supports the Brady Bunch but he makes movies like Rambo?
Nice.

shark92651

06-11-2007, 11:54 AM

Yep.

http://aol.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/5395/Events/5395/G_11352696_400.jpg.html?hint=nm0000230

For some reason the images are not loading at the brady site, but you can see his name in the caption
http://www.bradycampaign.org/bradyreport/2006/december/events/

CCWFacts

06-11-2007, 12:32 PM

Stallone has called for mass gun confiscation, including house-to-house searches. His stated views are even more out-there than the Brady Campaign's stated views.

And yet he's Rambo, and he has a gun collection, and he packs.

Shark, please go ahead and make the request and let's have a look at the Italian Stallion's application. It's going to be cool to see his GC statement, and see his other statements. Has he ever been arrested? Involved in any incidents? All this stuff will show up on his app.

gn3hz3ku1*

06-11-2007, 01:11 PM

wow i didnt think posting the article can get this much attention

Glock22Fan

06-11-2007, 01:19 PM

Team Billy Jack already has a list of the CCW permit holders issued by Sheriff Baca. We also have letters from him saying that he is not required to allow us to inspect the applications due to the onerous burden that this would place on the LASD (to pre-examine the applications and black out the portions that are not public).

One of these days, we should produce some kind of short list, with a half a dozen names or thereabouts, and tell him that if it is too onerous to do several hundred, he should be able to do three of four, or ten or twelve.

However, there's no point in threatening Baca with law suits to produce evidence unless you have a client with appropriate standing. If you don't have a client, you will get thrown out of court.

Therefore, we are concentrating our efforts on more vulnerable areas.

shark92651

06-11-2007, 01:52 PM

It's all ready to go - as soon as I can get to the Post Office it is on it's way.

Stallone has called for mass gun confiscation, including house-to-house searches. His stated views are even more out-there than the Brady Campaign's stated views.

And yet he's Rambo, and he has a gun collection, and he packs.

Shark, please go ahead and make the request and let's have a look at the Italian Stallion's application. It's going to be cool to see his GC statement, and see his other statements. Has he ever been arrested? Involved in any incidents? All this stuff will show up on his app.

tiki

06-11-2007, 02:12 PM

I think the illegal drug use should prevent him from having a ccw. Aren't steroids illegal or has Baca given celebreties a pass on that one too?

CCWFacts

06-11-2007, 02:22 PM

http://www.tmz.com/2007/03/12/stallone-charged-with-importing-steroids-down-under/

Hey how can he be Rocky without his juice?

Re: denial of CCW records: It's not unreasonable of them to say that it's a burden to go through and redact all 1,300 CCW apps before allowing inspection. That is a big burden. But redacting one single app and mailing a copy, that is not an unreasonable burden.

And I want to see his CCW app mug shot, too, and that's a public record.

markymark

06-11-2007, 07:45 PM

I emailed the list of LA county supervisors on the recall Baca website. Supervisor Antonovich replied back:

Thank you for your e-mail expressing your concerns and disappointment of Paris Hilton’s release from the Sheriff’s Century Regional Detention Facility. I appreciated it and agree with you. Below is a copy of my statement on this matter.

Once again, thank you for your e-mail.

Sincerely,
MICHAEL D. ANTONOVICH
Supervisor

MDA:aplc

__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___________

PRESS RELEASE

Contact: Tony Bell, Communications Deputy

Office: (213) 974-5555 Cell: (213) 215-5176

e-mail: tbell@lacbos.org

June 7, 2007 For Immediate Release

ANTONOVICH REACTS TO

HILTON’S RELEASE FROM JAIL

LOS ANGELES COUNTY — Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich issued the following statement on the "reassignment" of Paris Hilton from the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Century Regional detention center:

"This is pathetic -- a stupid decision by the Sheriff’s Department to let Paris Hilton using "spoiled brat-itis" as a medical excuse to escape her full sentence. It violates the Judge’s direct orders and sends a message to young people that wealth and fame can buy a get-out-of-jail-free card.

If she had a medical condition that required attention, she should have been treated in a County facility and not been reassigned to a plush mansion more opulent than 90% of County homes.

Our offices have been flooded with calls and e-mails from County residents expressing their disgust and outrage.

Attached is Supervisor Antonovich’s motion, co-sponsored by Supervisor Yvonne B. Burke, asking the Sheriff’s Department to report to the Board of Supervisors on this decision.

__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___________

AGN. NO.______

JUNE 12, 2007

MOTION BY SUPERVISORS MICHAEL D. ANTONOVICH AND YVONNE B. BURKE

Paris Hilton was prematurely released from Sheriff’s Century Regional Detention Facility for alleged medical reasons.

WE, THEREFORE, MOVE that the Board of Supervisors request the Sheriff’s Department to provide a report in one week providing the reasons for the premature release of Paris Hilton from the Sheriff’s Century Regional Detention Facility, including the reasons for not placing her in an appropriate medical facility such as at the jail ward of the LAC+USC Medical Center.

shark92651

06-15-2007, 06:46 PM

Re: Rambo's Gun

So I received my receipt today from US Postal that the certified letter has been received. What is the next step if I don't hear anything from the sherrif's office after the 10 day period? (I figured I would give them at least a couple weeks).

CCWFacts

06-15-2007, 08:22 PM

Definitely give them a couple of weeks. They could respond in one of four ways:

1. No response. I doubt this will happen.
2. Ask for more time.
3. Deny the request
4. Deliver what you asked for.

If it's anything other than #4, you need help from a lawyer if you want to pursue it. You could turn it over to the media, too: "Hey the sheriff is a rotten guy, he violates California's Public Records Act."

M. Sage

06-16-2007, 05:17 PM

CCWFacts

06-16-2007, 08:11 PM

No, it's a civil matter and must be pursued by the individual who believes he was wronged.

There was an effort to change the PRA in the last session that would have put more teeth in it, and given people a financial reward to pursue these cases. Unfortunately it didn't pass. What would be ideal would be to have significant financial penalties for non-compliance, which would punish wrong-doers (Sheriff Baca) and reward people who pursue them (us).

Paladin

06-16-2007, 11:25 PM

If Sharpton gets his base fired up re unequal justice under the law (e.g., Baca tried giving Paris home detention despite the judge specifically writting that she was not to, whereas Sharpton's people get jail time), a recall really could work. Getting African-Americans and Hispanics on board to recall Baca because of his discrimination and corruption is critical to success.

Be sure to pass infor re the recall effort on to other liberty, pro-2nd A, pro-CCW forums and African-American and Hispanic forums.I saw Sharpton on O'Reilly's program and the Rev. didn't seem totally fired up about Baca (perhaps after the Duke lacrosse non-rape case he's getting gun-shy).

Friday's SFChron had a blurb re the recall effort in Sec. B on p. 2. "Once the county certifies the recall paperwork, campaign officials will have 160 days to collect nearly 400,000 signatures in order to put the matter on the ballot." That's 2,500 signatures a day, every day, for 160 days straight. Assume 10 hours/day collecting signatures. That's 250 sigs/hr. Assume you can schedule 10 people for every hour of those 10 hours for every day of the 160 days. Each sig gatherer has to get 25 sigs/hr -- about 1 every two minutes, non-stop.

If they mean "nearly 400,000 valid signatures," you'd probably need several percentages more than that to offset invalid signatures.

Once you're on the ballot, then, you've got to counter all the people (incl celebs) who will come out supporting Baca because he's given them those all-so-rare LAC SO CCWs. And remember, IIRC, a recall requires a special election, and you know how happy Californians were when Arnie called a special election for his various initiatives. He crashed & burned!

IMO, unless there's a sudden massive support from the African-American & Hispanic leadership/communities, it just isn't going to succeed, and this is just with one county. Now you know why statewide initiatives are cost prohibitive for our top causes (Shall Issue, repeal AWB, state con RKBA amendment). The best bet for LAC, other than a Guillory case, is a LAC sheriff's term-limit initiative measure. That will be much less radical and divisive, and you're more likely to get people to sign up as it's a reasonable public policy. But how likely are you to get a large enough signature gathering volunteer organization together around that issue? You'll never know until you try!

shark92651

06-21-2007, 05:40 PM

Well I got a response today from the Sheriff's Office. It says:

The Sheriff's Department has received a copy of your request for information concerning a concealed weapons application record for Sylvester Stallone. For your information, Mr. Stallone does not have a concealed weapons license.

Any further questions regarding weapons permits may be directed to Lieutenant James Hellmold or Ms. Jocelyn Perez at (323) 526-5119.

Sincerely,

LEROY D BACA, SHERIFF

LARRY L. WALDIE
UNDERSHERIFF

Bummer, I was hoping it was true.

NRAhighpowershooter

06-21-2007, 10:05 PM

Well I got a response today from the Sheriff's Office. It says:

Bummer, I was hoping it was true.

BUT!! are they REALLY telling you the truth???!!!

CCWFacts

06-21-2007, 10:43 PM

For your information, Mr. Stallone does not have a concealed weapons license.

See how helpful they are? He may not have one now but he did have one.

Send back another letter, asking for a copy of any CCW application submitted by Mr. Stallone within the past five years.

tman

06-21-2007, 11:01 PM

I just think this is a good chance to again mention the fact that Baca and Giuliani are both crooks, both are second-amendment haters, and on top of all that - they look alike!:

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6683/giullianioy8.jpg

shark92651

06-22-2007, 08:24 AM

Ok, will try again...

See how helpful they are? He may not have one now but he did have one.

Send back another letter, asking for a copy of any CCW application submitted by Mr. Stallone within the past five years.

CCWFacts

06-22-2007, 09:25 AM

I looked at the original letter, and their response is dodging the question. The original letter asked not whether or not Mr. Stallone had a CCW, but rather, for any documents related to his CCW. They responded not with the docs, but with a denial that he has one. Could be true, but you were asking for documentation.

So, let me revise the question:

Dear Sir:

Thank you for your response to my letter of ___. I am now requesting the following information:

1. Has Mr. Sylvester Stallone ever applied for a CCW from your office? If so, what were the dates of application? What was the outcome of the application? What were dates of issuance, and renewals, and denials, if any?

2. If Mr. Stallone has applied, please send copies of his application, including all pages. Please also send copies of any other correspondence from your office or to your office related to Mr. Stallone's CCW application. Please include a copy of Mr. Stallone's application photograph.

shark92651

06-23-2007, 01:20 PM

I'll send the modified letter on Monday. I sure hope they are not playing word games with me.

shark92651

07-18-2007, 11:24 AM

Well this is getting interesting. My first request for a copy of Sylvester Stallone's CCW application was returned with a letter from the Sheriff's Office stating "for your information, Mr. Stallone does not have a concealed weapons permit". I then followed that up with another letter asking if he has applied or applied for a renewal of a CCW in the last five years, and if so, what is the date of the application/renewal request. Yesterday I received a letter back from the "County Counsel" stating that the Sherrif's department is indeed confirming that Stallone had applied for a permit/renewal in the last five years but that they need an additional 14 days to get the date of that request to me. Hmmm.....

It looks like if I break it down into specific questions they cannot dance around the request. I will get it eventually, I am not going to stop now :D

CCWFacts

07-18-2007, 11:46 AM

Go Shark go!

Their first response to you, they said, "he doesn't have a CCW", but that wasn't even what you were asking. As you can see, you need to ask laboriously unambiguous questions. I'm glad they finally admit that Mr. "ban all handguns" Stallone had a permit from LASD.

carsonwales

07-18-2007, 11:59 AM

This is very interesting. My question is this:

I am not interested in the actual details of the applications in my county/city...yet...but I would love to have a "List" of people who have them, had them, have applied for them.

Does the Cal~'FOIA' allow us to request a list of names, from which we could then make specific requests for application documents?

I live in wacky liberal Marin County and would love to have a list of hypocrites that I could then 'investigate' further or expose via the local papers for their blatant hypocrisy.

???

CCWFacts

07-18-2007, 12:02 PM

Oh and by the way, just because Mr. Stallone no longer has a LASD issued CCW doesn't mean he's not packing. I don't know which city and county he has declared as his residence. I'm sure he has multiple homes in California.

CCWFacts

07-18-2007, 12:05 PM

Does the Cal~'FOIA' allow us to request a list of names, from which we could then make specific requests for application documents?

Yes the Public Records Act (PRA) does allow you to get a list of the names of current CCW holders. Send a business letter to the sheriff, saying, "please give me a list of all current permit holders. Please indicate if the permit is a two-year-, three-year or four-year permit." They must provide you a list.

I live in wacky liberal Marin County and would love to have a list of hypocrites that I could then 'investigate' further or expose via the local papers for their blatant hypocrisy.

You'll certainly find some blatant hypocrites, I promise.

CCWFacts

07-18-2007, 12:10 PM

And by the way, as you can see from this incident with Stallone's CCW, sheriffs tend to be mightily obstructionistic about letting these records out. They are required to by law but they will do everything they can to not comply. Some of them will just not respond and say, "sue me if you don't like it". Then your only option is to sue, and you won't recover punitive damages from them, and you can't show economic harm, and they know all this.

carsonwales

07-18-2007, 12:23 PM

Yes the Public Records Act (PRA) does allow you to get a list of the names of current CCW holders. Send a business letter to the sheriff, saying, "please give me a list of all current permit holders. Please indicate if the permit is a two-year-, three-year or four-year permit." They must provide you a list.

You'll certainly find some blatant hypocrites, I promise.

Check this out.....

KeepAndBearArms.com — This is to be the first in a series of exhaustive looks at the illegal and unscrupulous CCW practices of specific counties in California. Ironically, Marin County is first — compared to many other counties, they're actually pretty good; others are fighting the Public Records Act Requests tooth and nail.

Still, what we have here in Marin County are entrenched patterns of due process violation, abuse of equal protection under the law, and careless disregard for the plain text of California's CCW statutes. Some of the abuses you are about to review clearly violate Federal and state law and are blatant enough to warrant the immediate attention of a Federal Grand Jury.

It is recommended that you read this report from start to finish on your first reading. Thereafter, the bulleted links in this section will take you quickly to the sections below.

http://keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=2893

The internet rocks...apparently Marin has a long history of obstruction regarding this....I just found the link and only now am beginning to read it...

CCWFacts

07-18-2007, 12:52 PM

One famous actor (and progressive Democrat) who has a permit in Marin County, but issued by the city of Ross, not by the sheriff, is Sean Penn:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/pennpermit1.html

Paladin

07-19-2007, 08:47 AM

One famous actor (and progressive Democrat) who has a permit in Marin County, but issued by the city of Ross, not by the sheriff, is Sean Penn:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/pennpermit1.htmlHere's a 30 April 2003 SFChron article about how Sean Penn can pack despite his criminal history ("Penn admitted to using marijuana 20 years ago and had a couple of arrests for assault and driving recklessly, factors that could have disqualified him for a permit for carrying a concealed weapon."), while lawabiding citizens in Marin w/o any misdemeanors or felonies cannot:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/04/30/BA268108.DTL

That article has great info re CCW issuance in the Bay Area and the state. A couple of interesting things re Sean Penn: he had both of his handguns (a Glock and a S&W .38) in the trunk of his car when it got stolen outside a Berkeley restaurant. A CCW is to protect your life. How does keeping handguns in your trunk enable you to defend your life, esp when you're not near your vehicle? Second, he had his permit for less than 2 yrs when this happened.

I wonder if the City of Ross reissued him a new permit listing new handguns or if his "donation" of two handguns to BGs (his car was recovered, the guns were not), showed his wasn't carry them concealed upon his person and thus didn't need a CCW?