Jury Pool Tampering?????

[Liberty1]

So nice of them to hold this at East LA Collage in Monterey Park.

http://www.sgvtribune.com/news/ci_6068089

MONTEREY PARK - Several agencies Tuesday trained at East Los Angeles College on how to deal with armed shooters on a school campus.

Onlookers watched two fake gunmen, "injured" students, special police units with tanks and heavy weaponry, and police blow the door off a classroom where one of the gunmen had barricaded himself.

"The best way to prepare is by training. We can't just rest on our laurels, we have to come out here and train," said Deputy R.J. Juarez of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department.

Surrounding the building, police climbed over fences, and approached behind armored vehicles to simulate how they would shield themselves from gunfire in a real incident.

Meanwhile, firefighters and paramedics set up a field medical area to assess and treat injuries, and went as far as loading some students into the back of ambulances.

Student participants had their injuries designated ahead of time, and were divided into marked areas to show the seriousness of their wounds, ranging from cuts and bruises to fatalities.
Some students said it was nerve-wracking to have an armed gunman, even a fake one, enter the classroom.

"The adrenaline you feel when you see someone with a gun come in leaves you with a feeling that is hard to explain," said Belen Hermosillo, a second-year student. "I think I understand a little what it must have been like for the Virginia Tech students."

Because East L.A. College was planning to demolish some old classrooms, officials did not mind letting the police blow their classroom doors to pieces, according to Patrick Hauser, chairman of the Administration of Justice program.

"These are all going to be torn down anyway so this was a good use for them," said Hauser as he surveyed the splintered wreckage of the classroom door. "Also, it was really cool."

The exercise was funded through a $50,000 grant from the Governor's Office of Homeland Security. The simulation was planned seven months ago, long before the April 16 shooting at Virginia Tech University, according to Hauser.

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[MIKEUSMC2005]

MMMMMM,

So none of the students are allowed to arm themselves (to protect themselves), and have to wait while the police assault the building and classrooms to hunt for the criminal shooter.

The only thing really happening here is the Police standing over the lifeless bodies of the students, taking pictures.

Training is fine, but when a deranged person has the intent on killing people he will do it. The police might take him down, but the perp has already committed his intent (taking as many lives as possible).

The Police cannot be there at that moment when the perp pulls the trigger, that's where you come in, pulling out your CCW and taking him down. One must meet force with force.

Let's not forget about bomb makers, knives, running over with a car. There are other scenarios as well.

[SemiAutoSam]

Tampering huh ?

Too much chlorine ?

[LECTRIKHED]

This is disgusting.

[NRAhighpowershooter]

so basicaly the cops got good training in taking pics and drawing chalk outlines.....

more good after the facts BS...........

[formerTexan]

Has there ever been a recent instance of an "active shooter" taken out by law enforcement? It seems like VT, Columbine, etc, its all been AFTER the shooting is over, the "specially trained individuals" enter the building.

[tiki]

Has there ever been a recent instance of an "active shooter" taken out by law enforcement? It seems like VT, Columbine, etc, its all been AFTER the shooting is over, the "specially trained individuals" enter the building.

Na, its all for show.
That's the sad part of it all. I'm not going to beat a dead horse about police protection. These guys get to run around all day to put on a show for the public and the news. That's it. If a gunman entered a building, the cops would surround the building and wait. After hours and hours, a SWAT team would probably try to make entry, but, thats about it. Any nutbag would have plenty of time to do whatever he wanted. Anyone inside that was not armed would be at his mercy.
This is nothing against cops. I'm sure there are some out there that would go in, but the suits wouldn't allow it. It's the perception of prevention and protection, but in reality, its reaction and theatrics.

[tiki]

Na, its all for show.
Any nutbag would have plenty of time to do whatever he wanted. Anyone inside that was not armed would be at his mercy.
This is nothing against cops. I'm sure there are some out there that would go in, but the suits wouldn't allow it. It's the perception of prevention and protection, but in reality, its reaction and theatrics.

You know, I get a bit pissed off when I watch something on the news about some nutbag. You usually hear something from the LEOs to the effect of "ultimately, its a matter of the safety of the officers".
You know what? If you are going to prevent me from carrying a firearm to protect myself, and, you are going to spend my tax dollars buying body armor, weapons that I cant buy, free range time with tax payer bought ammo, and special training and gear, get your *** in there and get me out.
If you want to worry about your *** first, and mine only when it is safe to do so, then, no thanks. Let me carry my kimber and i'll worry about my ***. You can come in after I make it safe.

[Piper]

Yeah I'm not a cop anymore, so why do I need a CCW?

Gee, I guess I turned my training and knowledge in with my badge. :rolleyes:

[Liberty1]

Tampering huh ?

Too much chlorine ?

Yes, my topic title is over the top as this training was scheduled months before Matt was arrested. However I couldn't restrain myself from practicing a little journalistic sensationalism.

That it could bias or frighten the jury pool was my biased first impression when I saw where this training was taking place.

[formerTexan]

thinking back, the only time cops had to engage "active shooters" that I remember/think of was the North Hollywood shootout. I guess the difference that time is that the bad guys were in the streets, and shot at cops that came.

[JALLEN]

so basicaly the cops got good training in taking pics and drawing chalk outlines.....

more good after the facts BS...........

That's not all by any means.. how about establishing perimeters and setting up tactical command posts.

[JALLEN]

If you want to tamper with the jury pool, send out cards from the lists of registered voters advising folks that they are about to be called to jury duty, and that there is a several day training seminar to help them function at peak effectiveness in that environment. A shockingly large number will respond claiming that they are not US citizens and ineligible to serve on a jury.

If that is so, WTF are they doing registered as voters?

This is not my original idea, I hasten to add. It is what they discovered in several Texas counties where they do make juror lists from voter registrations. Many tens of thousands of folks are registered to vote who will admit they are not citizens when called for jury service. If this isn't shocking, not to mention outrageous, then I don't know what would be.

[SemiAutoSam]

I don't mean to disrespectful to the topic at hand but Ive been wondering if its safe to be in the JURY POOL.


Think about it is there a Life Guard assigned to the Jury Pool ?

[WolfMansDad]

Yes, my topic title is over the top as this training was scheduled months before Matt was arrested. However I couldn't restrain myself from practicing a little journalistic sensationalism.

That it could bias or frighten the jury pool was my biased first impression when I saw where this training was taking place.

Strange things are afoot at ELAC. At least one other member of the ELAC 2nd Amendment club was arrested shortly after Matt's arrest. Apparently, he was either threatened or assaulted by a group of students, some of whom he then pepper sprayed. This led to HIS arrest, not theirs.

This training exercise may still be related to Matt and his friends. Remember, his involvment in campus politics predates VT. The accusation that he was a potential school shooter is ridiculous. It was a political slur not based in either fact or reasonable suspicion. The political atmoshpere at ELAC is even more left-wing than most colleges, sometimes outright Marxist. Matt is an outspoked Libertarian. You make the connection.

[Scarecrow Repair]

Has there ever been a recent instance of an "active shooter" taken out by law enforcement? It seems like VT, Columbine, etc, its all been AFTER the shooting is over, the "specially trained individuals" enter the building.

There was a shooter in a Utah mall several months ago, stopped by an off duty cop carrying in violation of mall policy. Memory says he did not kill the shooter, but did stop him from doing any further damage.

[M. Sage]

Yeah, but that was an off-duty cop... does that count as LE? IMO, it would count if it was a uniformed, on-duty officer. A better question would be, "how many active shooters have been neutralized by LE responding do reports of a shooting in progress?" My guess would be that it's very VERY low.

That's not all by any means.. how about establishing perimeters and setting up tactical command posts.

Don't forget the coffee distribution and donut deliveries... jk! jk! :chris: <--- Look! A pirate! :D

[formerTexan]

Yeah, but that was an off-duty cop... does that count as LE? IMO, it would count if it was a uniformed, on-duty officer. A better question would be, "how many active shooters have been neutralized by LE responding do reports of a shooting in progress?" My guess would be that it's very VERY low.

EXACTLY!! That off-duty cop might as well been someone with a CCW. I guess These "war games" put on by cops aren't exactly realistic. Maybe if they surrounded a building for a few hours, and then went in, and fired no shots , because everyone is either dead or victims, then it might pass as "realistic".

Sorry if I sound a bit "anti-cop", I actually have two good friends in the LE community, but they're not in SWAT, one's county sheriff and another is a city copy. It just doesn't seem right when there is an actual shooter in a building, the cops tend to sit outside and wait till its over, then go in and draw lines around the victims :mad: