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Bug Splat
07-25-2012, 7:31 PM
Just a heads up to my fellow reloaders looking for cheap range bullets for killing paper. I already placed my order so now I will share :D

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/930807/remington-ctf-frangible-bullets-9mm-luger-355-diameter-90-grain-flat-nose-box-of-500-bulk-packaged

Colt562
07-25-2012, 8:00 PM
Do you have load data for these?

bigdawg86
07-25-2012, 8:01 PM
Thats a killer deal...my wife would kill me since I just put in for 3k with a xtreme bullets group buy for only a few bucks more per K once shipping is added from midway.

CSACANNONEER
07-25-2012, 8:04 PM
Thanks, I don't shoot 9mm much anymore so, I only grabbed 3000.

Bug Splat
07-25-2012, 8:16 PM
Do you have load data for these?

Use the load data for 115grFMJ loads....
"To select the proper powder load for Frangible Bullets, a reloader will select the next larger standard lead-cored jacketed bullet in weight from a reloading manual. That weight will be the measured powder load suitable for FrangibleBullets as they are 30% lighter than lead or lead-cored jacketed bullets."


Thanks, I don't shoot 9mm much anymore so, I only grabbed 3000.

I tip my hat to you good sir :)

dbbspider
07-25-2012, 8:17 PM
Let us know how they load and shoot

joelogic
07-25-2012, 8:29 PM
Seems 2k is all that fits in a large flat rate box.

Hum....2k or 4k?

Bunsen
07-25-2012, 8:36 PM
I got the email from midway and I was on the fence. This pushed me over the edge thanks! ;-0

Now I just have to figure out how to hide the 10k rounds when they show up at the front door.

Na-vah-duh
07-25-2012, 8:47 PM
Will the 100 gr work for 9mm or are those strictly for .357 sig
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/685942/remington-ctf-frangible-bullets-357-sig-355-diameter-100-grain-flat-nose-box-of-500

Javi
07-25-2012, 8:52 PM
Crap...I need to visit Calguns less =/

CalTeacher
07-25-2012, 8:57 PM
Thanks for the heads up. I only grabbed 1k

joelogic
07-25-2012, 9:12 PM
I hate calguns.

pdq_wizzard
07-25-2012, 9:13 PM
Crap...I need to visit Calguns less =/

you too???

I hope I'm home and not the wife when the order shows up :TFH:

SVRider
07-25-2012, 9:16 PM
I bought a couple k last time they were on sale.

I only played with them briefly, but...

One important thing to note....

You have to be very careful in your taper crimp. If it even slightly squeezes down at the mouth of the cartridge, the tip of the bullet will shear off flush with the cartridge mouth.

I had to back the taper off completely, the gradually tighten a fraction at a time. If I went even 0.003" too much, the end of the bullet would suddenly sheer off. Not impossible to deal with, but something you need to be aware of and careful in your loading.

IrishPirate
07-25-2012, 9:24 PM
one time that i'm glad i don't have a 9mm reloading setup yet.....if these were .40 or .45 i think my wife would kill me...

CGT80
07-25-2012, 11:00 PM
I ordered 2k to try. I couldn't resist at 1/2 the price of the MG 124 jhp that I shoot. Hopefully these will be good for fun and practice, I will be really impressed if they run as well as my MG's for steel competitions, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

NotEnufGarage
07-26-2012, 6:15 AM
In for 4 boxes. Thanks, OP.

CSACANNONEER
07-26-2012, 6:18 AM
A coworker is probably going to order 2K later today.

rromeo
07-26-2012, 7:13 AM
I don't load 9mm, so I only bought 1,000.

MaHoTex
07-26-2012, 7:16 AM
4K on the way. Thanks OP.

Colt562
07-26-2012, 7:22 AM
If you havnt loaded these before do you guys go through the process of finding the best load for ur gun? I would imagine some just put the middle amount of powder and load that

NotEnufGarage
07-26-2012, 8:23 AM
If you havnt loaded these before do you guys go through the process of finding the best load for ur gun? I would imagine some just put the middle amount of powder and load that

You should work up a load before loading too many.

I emailed Remington to ask them for loading data on these bullets. I'll post what I get back.

CGT80
07-26-2012, 9:43 AM
I don't load 9mm, so I only bought 1,000.
:smilielol5: Now you will have a reason to buy a 9mm gun.

MrSlippyFist
07-26-2012, 9:48 AM
Good looking out, thanks

pigman
07-26-2012, 10:31 AM
The length of the bullet should give you a est. charge start, if they are as long as 124 gr then start with that data, $52 shipping kinda sucks, but if they are as good as the IMI .40 frangible they have a long bearing surface and low charge due to how much space they take up in the case.

Midway shows they are .595" so maybe use 115gr begining loads to start your work up

joelogic
07-26-2012, 10:52 AM
Shipping was only $17 per 2k. They ship USPS flat rate.

the86d
07-26-2012, 10:56 AM
I was going to post about this HECK OF A DEAL after my coworker bought his... but forgot when he told me that he wasn't going to get any...

I only got 1000 ea, however my total AFTER the 2 magazines I NEEDED (of course), an taller 22 ammo box, and some lead 9mm for a rainy day the total for these was like 160+ including shipping. :)

I hope they are nice shooters, I'll probably get some more next month...

anyracoon
07-26-2012, 1:13 PM
2K on the way!

huckberry668
07-26-2012, 5:13 PM
just bought 10k of the 90gr and 10k of the 100gr... I hope they shoot well...

xrMike
07-26-2012, 9:12 PM
Are these frangible 9mm bullets MORE or LESS frangible than .45acp frangible bullets?

(j/k, nobody needs to answer that)

MaHoTex
07-27-2012, 8:56 AM
Will the 100 gr work for 9mm or are those strictly for .357 sig
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/685942/remington-ctf-frangible-bullets-357-sig-355-diameter-100-grain-flat-nose-box-of-500


Anyone know the answer to this question? I am interested in hearing the answer too.

pigman
07-27-2012, 9:11 AM
check your order status if you have not, Mine was "on hold" midway has a glitch so logon and go to your order status to verify your order is processing or has shipped status, they are going to sell out in minutes

the86d
07-27-2012, 9:19 AM
I wonder why? :)

I see "available"...

Low-Pressure
07-27-2012, 9:42 AM
Ordered 4K of the 100gr.

Corbin Dallas
07-27-2012, 10:11 AM
They are out of 90gr, so I bought 5k of 100gr for my 357sig.

Shipping is $52.95

pigman
07-27-2012, 10:23 AM
100 gr should be fine for 9mm rounds, just may have to use tite-group or another small charge powder.

Javi
07-27-2012, 10:50 AM
Phew! You guys did be a huge favor haha. Payday was today and I looked at my cart for Midway and the bullets were gone! Kind of bummed, of course, I wanted to use these for shooting at my steel target at closer distances but my wallet is happy.

john16443
07-27-2012, 11:03 AM
Phew! You guys did be a huge favor haha. Payday was today and I looked at my cart for Midway and the bullets were gone! Kind of bummed, of course, I wanted to use these for shooting at my steel target at closer distances but my wallet is happy.

Javi - go back to the Midway site and order up the 100 grain variety that they have listed for 357 sig. These are also 0.355" diameter, same 'load them like 130 grain bullets' applies. Bought 2K of the 9mm yesterday, and another 1K of the 357 sigs today.

Na-vah-duh
07-27-2012, 11:15 AM
Javi - go back to the Midway site and order up the 100 grain variety that they have listed for 357 sig. These are also 0.355" diameter, same 'load them like 130 grain bullets' applies. Bought 2K of the 9mm yesterday, and another 1K of the 357 sigs today.

They are both sold out now.

john16443
07-27-2012, 11:41 AM
snooze ya lose...

noylj
07-27-2012, 12:16 PM
What is the desirability of such light fragile bullets?
Without specific load data, are they really a good deal?
After you shoot these, do you plan to buy a lot more?
Are they accurate?
Ramshot is about the only source I know of for data for frangible bullets:
90gn frangible
Zip: 3.9gn start, 4.3gn max (1182fps), min COL 1.120"
True Blue: 5.2gn start, 5.8gn max (1202fps)
Silhouette: 5.8gn start, 6.4gn max (1341fps)

pigman
07-27-2012, 1:01 PM
They are lead free, so you can use them in your squirrel gun :)

They fall apart upon impacting steel so no more bits o' lead hitting you

They have a longer bearing surface so they stabilize in shorter barrels where 90 gr lead are very short

They are cheap

They are sold out :(

bohoki
07-27-2012, 3:21 PM
funny i posted this but nobody cared
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=600023

pigman
07-27-2012, 3:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an9Dru5Eu6E&feature=endscreen&NR=1

why they are good for some

huckberry668
07-27-2012, 4:53 PM
funny i posted this but nobody cared
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=600023

Price tag is the catchy part and yours didn't have it. Plus your spelling didn't help either.

1in9twist
07-27-2012, 11:03 PM
Grabbed 4k of em and just so happen to have 4lbs of Ramshot Silhouette. :party:

rromeo
07-28-2012, 9:17 AM
The Lee Modern Reloading book has data for both 90 and 100 gr frangible bullets.

What is the desirability of such light fragile bullets?
Without specific load data, are they really a good deal?
After you shoot these, do you plan to buy a lot more?
Are they accurate?
Ramshot is about the only source I know of for data for frangible bullets:
90gn frangible
Zip: 3.9gn start, 4.3gn max (1182fps), min COL 1.120"
True Blue: 5.2gn start, 5.8gn max (1202fps)
Silhouette: 5.8gn start, 6.4gn max (1341fps)

The only additions for the 90 gr is Accurate #2 starting at 4.3 gr and 4.8 max (1200 fps)
and Accurate #5 starting at 5.6 and max of 6.2 (1223 FPS)

joelogic
07-28-2012, 11:18 AM
My mail carrier hates me. On the plus side that was super fast shipping.

pdq_wizzard
07-28-2012, 11:58 AM
My mail carrier hates me. On the plus side that was super fast shipping.

Not only that 17.xx shipping is not bad ether :D
Edit: that's for 1500

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Na-vah-duh
07-28-2012, 12:35 PM
They don't look the prettiest but for the price who cares. I applaud midway that was some dam fast shipping.

bohoki
07-28-2012, 1:08 PM
i got them and yea they look kind of grey but thats how they are supposed to look i mean they are made like how they make sweet tarts

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/bohoki/DCP_0998.jpg

the funny thing is when you find one that looks really clean i hope they are safe to load with a mild bullseye load i bought 1k just to try and besides they are cheaper than my efforts to cast

bfoosh006
07-28-2012, 5:40 PM
And Accurate, Ramshot and Hodgdon all show load data for 90gr and 100gr Sinterfire bullets.... that is a fair starting point.

bfoosh006
07-28-2012, 5:45 PM
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc277/lowflash/IMG_4329A.jpg


From one of the other forums.

lpspinner
07-28-2012, 9:28 PM
I'm so glad I didn't pay attention to this or else I'd be in trouble.

Bug Splat
07-28-2012, 10:25 PM
Mine came in the mail today. They look as ugly as i remember them being but who cares. I take a lot of people shooting for the first time in their lives. I'd much rather they pepper a target with cheap bullets then eat up my FMJ and HP rounds. Hope you all enjoy yours.

ahren111
07-29-2012, 5:22 AM
They are both sold out now.

I missed out :mad:

pigman
07-30-2012, 5:05 PM
they are great shooting, loaded some up with 124gr data but too slow, did not cycle until i got them going 1150 fps or more, I am up to loading them with standard 115gr fmj data next, box was big but only 26lbs for 2K

M27
07-30-2012, 8:47 PM
they are great shooting, loaded some up with 124gr data but too slow, did not cycle until i got them going 1150 fps or more, I am up to loading them with standard 115gr fmj data next, box was big but only 26lbs for 2K

was this with the 90 or 100 grain?

pigman
07-30-2012, 9:02 PM
90 gr, I am using REX II powder, no longer around, but a single base round flat flake powder, similar to w231

gunnerstuff
08-01-2012, 2:49 PM
WooHoo, just got my twelve boxes. Mailman not too happy with me neither.

1in9twist
08-01-2012, 4:22 PM
WooHoo, just got my twelve boxes. Mailman not too happy with me neither.


:D Ditto.

M27
08-01-2012, 7:07 PM
I just got my 4 boxes of 100gn and am going to start doing some test loads tonight or tomorrow.

Does any one want to trade one box of 500, 100gn for one box of 500, 90gn.

I bought the 100 because they were out of the 90 grain

I want the 100s for my 9mm but need some 90s for 380

PM me if anyone is interested.

anyracoon
08-01-2012, 8:09 PM
M27 - location would help. If you are close to the Salinas/Monterey area I would be interested.

M27
08-01-2012, 8:19 PM
FAIL on my part

I can meet in the Sacramento area, Elk Grove, or Roseville.

also willing to ship if necessary

pdq_wizzard
08-01-2012, 8:52 PM
FAIL on my part

I can meet in the Sacramento area, Elk Grove, or Roseville.

also willing to ship if necessary

PM sent

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Low-Pressure
08-02-2012, 8:48 AM
Received 4 boxes of the 100gr yesterday. I just finished loading them up and I will try to head to the range today and see which load will run my G34 best.

john16443
08-02-2012, 11:45 AM
Received both 90's and 100's. Loaded some 90's first with 4.3 grains W231 as a starting point. Worked well in the CZ 75b, not real accurate. Didn't work well in the SR9 as it wouldn't consistently cycle the slide. Strange, because 4.3 gr 231 under a 115 gr plated bullet is my goto target load for the SR9 and they say the 90 frangibles should be loaded to 115 grain data. I'll have to up the charge for the 90's and see what happens.

CGT80
08-02-2012, 12:00 PM
I loaded up some 9mm 90 grain bullets with 4.2-5.0 grains of win 231 in 0.2 increments. The 90 ctf is longer than my MG 124 jhp's. I loaded to 1.130" COAL since they have to feed through a 40 cal magazine. I also found that some of the bullets drop upside down through my bullet feeder. I haven't tried adjusting it. I think it is due to the the fact that there is less difference in weight between the front half and back half of the bullet than a typical lead or jacketed bullet.

It will be a week or so until I get to try them out.

pigman
08-02-2012, 6:25 PM
Try 4.8 W231, mine loads at 4.9 and 1.110" worked great for my 30 test rounds, in my G-34, I will try them in all other 9mm's before loading a bulk of them, very consistent in velocity 1215 fps ave, and great paper groups at 50' indoor range. My first attempt at 4.4 grains of REX II gave me 1145 fps in G-34, would not cycle reliably.

Low-Pressure
08-02-2012, 7:22 PM
I just got back from the range. I took 4 different loads and all loads are not cycling my G34. :(
TiteGroup: 3.6gr, 3.7gr, 3.8gr and 3.9gr
OAL: 1.140"

I'm debating between changing the OAL or the powder charge.....

insik
08-03-2012, 8:33 PM
I got the 90 gr. Whats the technique of seating this bullet?

Since this is .355 rather then .356 (I was using berrys plated 115 gr in my previous load), it seats easily but deeper. Any adjustment on my Lee turret seating die, the bullet always goes deeper when seated. I can even twist and move the bullet with my finger.

Any suggestions?

M27
08-03-2012, 8:40 PM
Did some test loads today with the 100 grains using no. 5, titegroup, and 231 shooting in the morning.

I got the 90 gr. Whats the technique of seating this bullet?

Since this is .355 rather then .356 (I was using berrys plated 115 gr in my previous load), it seats easily but deeper. Any adjustment on my Lee turret seating die, the bullet always goes deeper when seated. I can even twist and move the bullet with my finger.

Any suggestions?

They shouldent freely turn. I would look into that.

Also accurate data is saying 1.120 oal, and make sure not to over crimp.

pigman
08-03-2012, 10:18 PM
I got the 90 gr. Whats the technique of seating this bullet?

Since this is .355 rather then .356 (I was using berrys plated 115 gr in my previous load), it seats easily but deeper. Any adjustment on my Lee turret seating die, the bullet always goes deeper when seated. I can even twist and move the bullet with my finger.

Any suggestions?

Use WAY less bell for your case, you just need a light touch of a bell the bullets have a great chamfer on the base my bell or case flare is .381"

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n536/ninemmm/DSCN0218.jpg

Your bullets should just go in and stay semi up right, if they fall in your belling the case too much, back off on your bell / flare die and you should be good, crimp should be just to remove that bell, .375"-.380" is what the outside diameter of your loaded round should be where the bullet is seated.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n536/ninemmm/DSCN0215.jpg

insik
08-03-2012, 10:54 PM
Thanks Pigman. I'll give it a try tomorrow.

pigman
08-05-2012, 4:51 PM
I have some tite group data out of my 17L w 90gr Rem Frang bullets

4.8gr 1.125" 1370 fps cycles great, very light load

5.0gr 1.125" 1395 fps cycles great, brass goes a few feet away

5.5gr 1.125" 1425 fps cycles snappy, brass fly's some signs of primer flattening but that's all I will stick with 5.0gr

huckberry668
08-10-2012, 12:05 PM
one note to share with you all who bought these Rem frangible bullets. the bullets don't take crimping too well. if you can feel the pressure during the crimping stage it's too much and it'll break or make the bullet easy to break/sheer completely off at the case mouth.

Try this, after the round is crimped, try to break the bullet by hand.

bohoki
08-10-2012, 1:13 PM
one note to share with you all who bought these Rem frangible bullets. the bullets don't take crimping too well. if you can feel the pressure during the crimping stage it's too much and it'll break or make the bullet easy to break/sheer completely off at the case mouth.

Try this, after the round is crimped, try to break the bullet by hand.

yea i heard them warnings so i have no crimp besides my sizing die " may wests "the cases anyway so the bullets wont have any setback if i get a jam

pigman
08-10-2012, 8:28 PM
Fired about 150rds in the hot sun, never felt my glock so hot! they are very fast loads so lots of friction and heat, but lots of impact power fun on steel targets for sure, and no splatter back your way! :)

CalTeacher
08-11-2012, 1:50 PM
I loaded some of these up with 5 grains of unique. Oal was 1.14 if I remember correctly. Recoil was on the mild side and accuracy was great!

CGT80
08-12-2012, 3:16 PM
I tried out the 90 grain frangibles today.

9mm range brass
90 grain frang bullet
wolf small pistol primers
win 231 5.0 grains
1.130" COAL
XD 40 4" with 9mm barsto barrel and a well used factory recoil spring.

This load choreographed at just under 1200 fps under bright sun at around 105 degree air temp.

This load worked 100% and was just a tad softer than my pet load-124 MG JHP and 4.2 of 231, 1.130" COAL 970fps average.

I didn't get to try it on any falling steel. Point of impact was the same as my pet load. I didn't shoot for groups, but the ammo felt consistent. I didn't have any feeding problems or issues with bullet breaking. I used almost no crimp. I pulled a round and couldn't see an indentation where the case mouth was crimped. Primers were not flattened on the couple cases I checked. The inside of the case was pretty clean.

I also loaded at 4.2, 4.4, 4.6, and 4.8. I didn't have any squibs. 4.6 and 4.8 worked with a two handed grip, but for single weak hand, I had feeding issues. 4.6 would not lock the slide on an empty mag, even with two hands. 4.2 and 4.4 were full of jambs and stove pipes.

These loads should work for at least Steel Challenge, and paper shooting, and would be fine for IPSC if falling steel isn't mixed in. At a power factor of 108, I doubt these loads will knock down steel very efficiently. My pet load is a 120 power factor and just gets the job done. I'm not sure if an XD will support a 130 PF load at 1444 fps, at least not with 231 powder.