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Calzona
07-24-2012, 3:20 PM
Has this community explored the possibility of getting a proposition put on the ballot to establish CC? Is there any information about it?

wash
07-24-2012, 3:30 PM
Too expensive and despite it being a good idea, we would not get the votes to pass such an initiative.

It is much more effective to spend our time and effort on something that would actually work.

For the record, you might not be the first person to think of a voter initiative for gun rights...

SilverTauron
07-24-2012, 3:42 PM
Such an initiative didn't even pass in South Dakota with massive public support. The reason?

Getting an Permit to Carry is shall issue and only costs $10 with a NICS backgrond check.As far as State Law Enforcement was concerned (see a pattern?) that process is easy enough, and the Republican Governor went with the State Police's desires instead of the electorate by vetoing the bill on his desk.
That's not in CA,but in Blue State open country. Sacramento would just laugh if it ever made it to a vote.

stix213
07-24-2012, 3:46 PM
A proposition like that is only useful if it were a shoe in victory. If we lost we would be beaten over the head with the results for the next decade, and would probably set shall issue LTC back considerably since "the people have spoken."

Librarian
07-24-2012, 4:25 PM
And the long explanation is here: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=156804

Calzona
07-24-2012, 5:16 PM
Thank you, that link sums it up perfectly.

I guess I just need to be patient...

ja308
07-24-2012, 9:59 PM
Thank you, that link sums it up perfectly.

I guess I just need to be patient...

you probably should be in a state where gun owners work together to get progun republicans elected - Alaska has it , wyoming is cliose , arizona has it and vermont always had it .
Wisconsin is close too with easy CCWs and making antigun business personally liable if they post anti gun sign .

California , NY and Illinois are perfec examples of democratic states with regard to how they view CCW.

Cali is particuliarly stupid with a vocal 3% that ridicules any republican candidiate.:D

stix213
07-24-2012, 11:06 PM
you probably should be in a state where gun owners work together to get progun republicans elected - Alaska has it , wyoming is cliose , arizona has it and vermont always had it .
Wisconsin is close too with easy CCWs and making antigun business personally liable if they post anti gun sign .

California , NY and Illinois are perfec examples of democratic states with regard to how they view CCW.

Cali is particuliarly stupid with a vocal 3% that ridicules any republican candidiate.:D

Running away from California will only make the problem worse. Leaving California to be a long term gun control haven will create problems for shooters nationwide in the future. CA would remain a perpetual source of gun control legislation that would need to be constantly pushed back upon, and who knows when the national electorate will forget their gun rights again for another election and give the anti's another oppotunity for national gun control legislation.

The solution isn't to run, but instead stay and fight. Normalize gun ownership, and normalize concealed carry here. If we can achieve that then the Dems in California will have to support gun owners in order to win elections, and that is when we truely have won.